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BUT, what do you all expect next year. This year i was expecting 7-5 to 9-3. Man how retarded do i feel now. Next year, I am saying we will most likely finish 8-4, with 6-6 being worst case and 10-2 being best. A bowl win is a must no matter what. What say you?
 

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I'm not making any predictions. I didn't this year either and glad I didn't. I just plan on putting my ND shirt and hat on and sitting down in front of the tv on saturdays.
 

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I agree

I agree

I agree with your assessment but what do you want to do if we don;t win 7 games or make it to a bowl game? I think we got rid of Ty because we thought we could get Urban. If we don't win 7 what do you propose. I also don;t want to see ND lose in such embarrassing fashion (38-0 twice) & to 2 service academies. I bumped into a ND fan today and he's had it with CW. We both will continue to cheer ND on but remember CW was strutting around like the cock of the walk for 2 years and now what. What do you think Ty is thinking? If he is truly a class act he feels bad for ND and CW but I doubt it.
 

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What's the point in making predictions? If they don't live up to your expectations, you'll be disappointed and demand that CW get canned. I'd just be grateful that we win more games than we did this year.
 

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As far as putting on the ND shirt and hat goes; I have tried 8 different hat and jersey combinations with poor game results. I am going to need to buy all new hats and shirts to see if anything will bring us some luck, I'm trying. I think we used up all of our breaks in the UCLA game.
 

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Guys,
The reality is that Charlie better win a minimum of 8 games next season. Have you looked at the schedule??? There are only 2 teams on our schedule who should be possibly be favored over ND, USC and UM. There are 7 games which should be definite wins for ND. (San Diego St, N. Carolina, Pitt, Syracuse, Wash, Navy, Stanford). Then 3 games where we will be favored, but should win atleast 2 out of 3. (Purdue, MSU, BC). We also better not see anymore of the 4 touchdown slaughters. If you look at what our talent on this team will be next season, there is NO reason to lose more than 3 games, but I will tolerate 4. If we end up worse, do NOT be suprised if CW goes bye, bye. Mediocre next season will point to this program going the wrong direction.
 

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Stoney,
That is not acceptable. Look at our schedule and tell me 5 teams you would accept losses to next season???? USC, UM and who else??????
 

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Stoney,
That is not acceptable. Look at our schedule and tell me 5 teams you would accept losses to next season???? USC, UM and who else??????

North Carolina. They will be good. They will be a team looking to get into the top 25, how we should be also next year. i think we are the better team, but it will be a good game. 6 definite wins on the schedule and then 4 maybe even 5 more possible ones. UM will have a down year next year so we will see.
 

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Like I've said, I don't care about the number of wins. Illinois in 2006 - play tough, improve a ton, keep it close against good teams, see what happens - is my benchmark.
 

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Domer,
So you are telling me that NC who was at the bottom of college football one season ago can rebuild their program in 2 years with Butch Davis and yet ND can't in 4 years with CW?????? The last 5 recruiting classes for NC are ranked 36, 44, 30, 17, 40. Further, ND will return 9 starters on O. Included in that 5*QB, 5*RB, 4*WR, 5*OT, 4*TE. This does not include a possible WR of Floyd, TE Rudolf. On D we will have 8 returning starters. In that group we have some really special players. CB's are both 4*, OLB's are both 4*'s, LB will be a 5th year player, Bruton will be a preseason candidate for all-american. Further, we will have huge reinforcements coming on D. The excuses are DONE!!!!!!!!! We better not lose to a team like NC in their second year of rebuild.
 

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Good point Jonesman, I'm with you on that. The rebuilding should be over after this year.
 

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Jones I hope you don't take this personal because it is not meant to be. The star rating means squat after a player is in a college program for a few years. It is merely an indicator of where they stand after graduation of high school. If the potential is never developed then what do you have, an average football player.
 

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Thanks Gold. It is time for CW to put up or shut up in 2008. Further, he better not lose to Washington, no way, no how. The college football world will NOT let ND live that one down. We also better not get pummeled by 4 touchdowns by anyone. We will have top talent at almost every position on the field. Yes, much of it will be young, but they will be good enough to beat most teams on our schedule and most will be battle tested. GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Like I've said, I don't care about the number of wins. Illinois in 2006 - play tough, improve a ton, keep it close against good teams, see what happens - is my benchmark.
Sounds like a good combo. Next year even if we break out of this years' woes probably isn't a national championship level team. Play disciplined, fundamental football and we should be close in all our games.
 

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Thanks Gold. It is time for CW to put up or shut up in 2008. Further, he better not lose to Washington, no way, no how. The college football world will NOT let ND live that one down. We also better not get pummeled by 4 touchdowns by anyone. We will have top talent at almost every position on the field. Yes, much of it will be young, but they will be good enough to beat most teams on our schedule and most will be battle tested. GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



ND should have a good year next year. I want to see 7-9 wins at least plus a bowl win. I still wonder about our defense. I have YET to see a oggd defensive effort since CW has taken over.
 

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Old Posting Resurrected

Old Posting Resurrected

I posted this one last week after the Navy loss:

My friends asked me if ND was going to play the Coast Guard next week.


I'm willing to continue to wait another year and consider giving CW a fifth as long as ND does the following next year:
-Wins 8 or more egames
- Does not lose any game by more than 20 points
- Improves in almost every statistical category in 2008
- Ne retarded coaching decisions like the non-FG attempt
- Another top 10 recruitug class.
- a kicker who can make a field goal and kickoof inside the 5 yard line
- Consideration given to finding a new line coach
- Look for an offensive coordinator

Are these requests unresaonable? I think they should be minimum expectations.
 

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I posted this one last week after the Navy loss:

My friends asked me if ND was going to play the Coast Guard next week.


I'm willing to continue to wait another year and consider giving CW a fifth as long as ND does the following next year:
-Wins 8 or more egames
- Does not lose any game by more than 20 points
- Improves in almost every statistical category in 2008
- Ne retarded coaching decisions like the non-FG attempt
- Another top 10 recruitug class.
- a kicker who can make a field goal and kickoof inside the 5 yard line
- Consideration given to finding a new line coach
- Look for an offensive coordinator

Are these requests unresaonable? I think they should be minimum expectations.

No, they're not unreasonable. I'm not sure about the need to bring in a new kicker, but you may be right. To be honest, my primary quibble is with the first one: suppose the team at least keeps it close each week, improves in every category, brings in another great recruiting class and maybe an O/C and some new assistants, etc. etc., but ends up with just 6 or 7 - or fewer - wins, because of hard luck, good opponents, or whatever. Are you going to say they should fire the guy without giving him a chance to build on the improvement?

I'm not saying the answer to this question is easy: this team has fallen SO far this year that almost ANYTHING is going to look like improvement. Nevertheless, it seems to me that people shouldn't set their expectations too high for the "W" column in 2008. Again, look at Illinois ...
 

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Our record next year will be almost entirely dependent on how the O-Line performs. Even if all of the other areas of our team improve, we will be lucky to be a .500 team even with a weaker schedule next year.

If there are significant improvements in the O-Line (a man can dream can't he) then I really think the sky is the limit.
 

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I have less problems with the place kicking as I do with the depth & Height of our kick-offs! We rarely put the ball inside the 10 and it is closer to the 15. Look where AF would start. The punting and coverage has been good because they hang it up and out there. This should be the easiest thing to fix. We have had less than on touchback per season for ~6 years! I think PKing just takes repitition. CW isn;t helping by showing no confidence in them.
 

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I have less problems with the place kicking as I do with the depth & Height of our kick-offs! We rarely put the ball inside the 10 and it is closer to the 15. Look where AF would start. The punting and coverage has been good because they hang it up and out there. This should be the easiest thing to fix. We have had less than on touchback per season for ~6 years! I think PKing just takes repitition. CW isn;t helping by showing no confidence in them.

W/r/t kickoffs, check out these numbers: cfbstats.com - College Football Statistics. I'm not sure where ND stands overall, but you could probably find out. A big part of the problem yesterday, of course, was that Hall's returns were just so damn good - it was coverage that killed us. No doubt, though, a stronger leg on kickoffs would help.
 

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John05,
I hear what you are saying about the wins, but I cannot agree. There are NOT 6 teams on our schedule who should beat ND next season. We will only face probably 3 teams who will be in the top 25 next season. We have a great chance to win 8 games and get to a bowl game which would put this team on the right track.
 

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Like I've said, I don't care about the number of wins. Illinois in 2006 - play tough, improve a ton, keep it close against good teams, see what happens - is my benchmark.

Exactly, thank god there is still some sort or rationale on this site.
 

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John05,
I hear what you are saying about the wins, but I cannot agree. There are NOT 6 teams on our schedule who should beat ND next season. We will only face probably 3 teams who will be in the top 25 next season. We have a great chance to win 8 games and get to a bowl game which would put this team on the right track.

I hear you too, Jonesman. All I'm stressing is that the ultimate benchmark is going to be how the team /looks/, not the numbers they put up. THAT'S been the problem with this year - I could care less about 1-9.

Who knows? Maybe, as has been rumored, there's a huge rift between the older guys and the younger ones, and it's going to heal up as they get pushed out the door. Maybe all of this season's struggles can be attributed to a "snowball" effect. Maybe, maybe, maybe. If these sorts of factors are a large part of what's been wrong with this team, then next year we could see a group that looks /completely/ different: and those differences will be visible even if they don't translate into lots of W's.
 
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I think that anything above 7-5 with a Bowl win would be a successful season. To go from a possible to 1-11 to 7-5 is significant improvement and lays a good foundation for the 2009 season. The 2009 season is when I expect big things from this program.
 

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Should we be fortunate enough to keep the entire "08 class", then I expect we will win at least 8 games next season. If we don't, then I expect Charlie to do the honorable thing and do one of three things: Hire an offensive coordinator, hire an offensive line/linebacker coach, or resign.
 
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PREFACE - I have a dislocation of my right thumb, a flexible cast, a stomach and head full of pain pills and an appointment to visit an orthopedic surgeon in 2 hours time, so SOME of this might not necessarily come to pass....

2008...hmmm....what to "expect"? I always "expect" way more than I should...

I expect:

ND beats UM and does so convincingly as Clausen has a national coming out party to get the national media regurgitating the "story" of ND and Clausen rising from the dead (again) - let's face it, the only thing media hacks enjoy more than this year's ND disgrace and easy fodder is cashing in on ND's national fame to build up someone in the hopes of later getting to tear them up - for the most recent example look at what they did with Brady Quinn last year.

(The sad thing about that is given THIS year's results, can anyone with a pulse and oxygen getting to their brain HONESTLY believe that Troy Smith was better or more valuable or more outstanding last season than Brady Quinn? But after the INT to start the UM debacle last year, you would have thought Brady was achild molester given the level of press tearing him apart...anywho...the point is that this year's seasons for ND and OSU really show just how much leadership each man brought to their respective teams a year ago and the chasm favors Brady by a Grand Canyon sized margin...)

Seriously though, how can I even remotely believe this now, when we sit at 1-9 and are the worst ND team in modern history (really in program history)? Because UM is losing a TON of players to graduation this year and the ones left behind will not be ready to dominate in week 2 of the season next year....shit, look how good their senior laden team handled its first 2 games THIS year...no, next year will be a different UM team than what ND has faced the past 2 years...I see this as a statement game for next year's Irish - one that says 2007 is the PAST and WE ARE THE FUTURE!

ND convincingly beats ALL of the following schools - in most cases because these schools ALL lose significant numbers of highly important players:
PU - No Painter, No Bryant, sorry Tiller, not going to happen...
BC - No "Matty Ice" = NO CHANCE IN HELL ND LOSES AGAIN TO BC in '08....

Navy - complete with the jerk-off Fowler dubbing this "redemption Saturday" and going on and on and on and on and on and on and on about how for teh first time in 43 years Navy is looking to get on a winning streak over ND...

SDSU - I may hang Weis in effigy and revise everything I believe in life if this is a loss...
SU - funny how we manage to find the worst team in the Big East to play against here...
Stan - I don't believe they will beat ND THIS year and we suck ass....

ND struggles (but probably wins) and gets in some very tight games with:
MSU - but hey, THATS WHY YOU'RE MICHIGAN STATE....on another note, this game will likely see Musberger in the booth again and he is in sufferable to sit through even in an Irish win...
Pitt
and most surprisingly against UW - Locker is a difference maker and one who will give ND fits for sure

ND struggles (and probably loses) to UNC...they will be one of next year's "surprise" teams I think - like Kansas or Missouri this year, teams with talent and ability that seem to finally put it together...

That would likely leave ND as 10-1 heading to L.A. for the USC game...very reminicent of 2006. They will be dogged by questions of "who have they beaten?" (because I expect UM to be 4 loss team in 2008 and they will be seen as ND's only other "real" opponent along side a surprising UNC team). They will be told incessantly that despite their biggest turnaround in school history that they are pretenders. The media will salivate all over themselves to write stories about how Weis STILL has not beaten a team that he is supposed to lose to, doing just what they did after the UM game in 2005 by writing off a win against Michigan as "not really counting because they are not that good in 2008...

In short, I expect a return to 2005. I expect no one will believe ND is going to be any good at all. I expect to be unranked to start the year and UM to be ranked in the top-10. I expect that ND will remain ranked BELOW UM even after the week 2 game. I expect that Clausen will look far better than even his best glimpses this year. I expect that people will be shocked at how much improved the O-Line play is. I expect that and more....I expect the USC game to be the most watched game of the year in college football in 2008 (and I expect my brother-in-law to come through with tickets at the Collesium as well)...

Finally, I expect Jimmy Clausen to remain unbeaten as a starting QB in the state of California (obviously I see him leading the Irish past Stanford THIS year too...)

Now, where did I put that bottle of Vicodin at...???
 
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