Bad move - How Weis has damaged Notre Dame

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Some writers need something to write about. Why bother bringing an article based on ignorance to everyone's attention? Let it go.
 
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What will happen if ND win the rest of their games do all these guys kept their jobs and still talk about CW and ND or do they go away?
 

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Hard to disagree with it though. it sucks but alot of it is true. Sorry to say.
 

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What will happen if ND win the rest of their games do all these guys kept their jobs and still talk about CW and ND or do they go away?

I hate to say it, but unfortunately "these guys" don't have to worry about us winning the rest of our games.
 

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I hate to say it, but unfortunately "these guys" don't have to worry about us winning the rest of our games.

Seriously. Let's be realistic.

The thing they DO have to worry about, though, is us getting through this season with minimal damage to moral and psyche, and then ripping sh-t up in '08 and '09. But will they admit that they were wrong then? Of course not!
 
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I basically just wrote that same thing on the comments of that piece of shit article. They are all loud now, but when CW gets a National Title ring to go w/ his Super Bowl rings, they will be real hard to find.......i would love to fight all these guys especially Forde.
 
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ND just is not getting the talent as they did in their heyday. The 5-star recruits are going elsewhere (read: usc and florida). I don't think it matters who the coach is @ ND while those two teams are at their peak...they'll continue to dominate the recruiting and likewise the games each week. If we ND fans can show patience, let usc's dynasty run its course and then I would expect ND will get a better shot at more nationally-coveted recruits, and then the wins will come. Once that happens, whoever the coach here happens to be will get praised, and be called a coaching genius.

Question is...how long will that scenario take to develop and come to fruition?
 
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ND just is not getting the talent as they did in their heyday. The 5-star recruits are going elsewhere (read: usc and florida). I don't think it matters who the coach is @ ND while those two teams are at their peak...they'll continue to dominate the recruiting and likewise the games each week. If we ND fans can show patience, let usc's dynasty run its course and then I would expect ND will get a better shot at more nationally-coveted recruits, and then the wins will come. Once that happens, whoever the coach here happens to be will get praised, and be called a coaching genius.

Question is...how long will that scenario take to develop and come to fruition?

that is a cop out... notre dame gets plenty of top line recruits.. the main problem is the lack of depth right now, hopefully.. if this article is true, we have bigger fish to fry than lack of recruits. There may well be a large chasm between the coaches and players.

Steadily going down :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Greg Couch


I am referring to the alleged Aldridge comment only. If that is true, it is indicative of the relationship between the players and coaches.
 
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Ty Willingham

Ty Willingham

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Willingham not want to stay in South Bend? I also heard he was looking around for other jobs while coaching at Notre Dame. Maybe I heard it wrong, or remember it wrong. It just drives me nuts when people bang on ND for firing Willingham. The race card is totally wrong and in actuality, it hurts other minority coaches. Why the heck would you hire a minority coach if you are going to get thrown under the bus for firing him?
 

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I basically just wrote that same thing on the comments of that piece of shit article. They are all loud now, but when CW gets a National Title ring to go w/ his Super Bowl rings, they will be real hard to find.......i would love to fight all these guys especially Forde.

I got 50 on ya bud. You'll make him tap out while applying an arm bar...
 

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Thanks Sureal, I was thinking choke out, but an armbar would work nicely as well.
 

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The dumbest comment in the whole article (and where I consequently STOPPED reading)...

"They are staring 0-8 in the face"

Hmmmm...as I remember, we're 0-3 with a game this weekend. I wasn't aware that the football nation had fast-forwarded 5 weeks. I seriously doubt that we will not win a game in the next 5 weeks. The flood gates will open and the TDs will come. Patience is a virtue and as an avid baseball fan, I have seen players and teams go on incredibly terrible runs of no offense. In football, can anyone remember the Super Bowl winning Ravens (2000 I believe)? They didn't score an offensive TD in 3 weeks either I believe.

I can tell you that no team...NO team goes an entire season in the dumps with the talent and coaching similar to what we have. Even though our talent is suspect and not where it should be, we still have capable players of beating Michigan State this weekend.

Faithful domers...tune in for the first win this weekend. Everyone else, fast-forward the season in your minds and day-dream about how bad ND is going to be, but guess what...it ISN'T going to happen!!

We will not win a ton of games this year, but we will win a handful.
 
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The way we have played and how we are now being percieved I wouldn't be too surprised if we were to jump up and take out a team that we are supposed to lose too. Just like App State, when a team plays this poorly it is easy for others to take them lightly or look past them toward future games.

Who knows, ND could pull off a big one.
 

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The way we have played and how we are now being percieved I wouldn't be too surprised if we were to jump up and take out a team that we are supposed to lose too. Just like App State, when a team plays this poorly it is easy for others to take them lightly or look past them toward future games.

Who knows, ND could pull off a big one.

I have USC circled a couple times on the calendar in red marker.
 
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The best thing to do right now?

Print out copies or better yet save links to all of these articles by the "experts"...then wait about a year or two and save them all for a nice cold winter night in the winter of 2008 or 2009, haul them out and make a nice big old bonfire to read all the stories that preview the BCS match-ups in those years...

"This too shall pass." - Mike Ditka

Saturday Prediction - ND 21 MSU 13
Tate - KR for TD
McNeil - Fumble Rec. for TD
Clasuen to Allen screen pass for an actual, real live offensive TD!!!! (maybe the best part of the game period!!!!)
 

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Not sure which 2, but for some reason I see the Irish being 2-6 going into their bye week before the "lower 4" teams they play. The main thing is .... they have to see improvement in their play EACH WEEK from here on out, especially the OL!
 
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It's all about improving. The UM game was so tough to swallow because we regressed when it seemed like our team was getting slightly better since GT.
 

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It's all about improving. The UM game was so tough to swallow because we regressed when it seemed like our team was getting slightly better since GT.

Exactly, 100% right. The reason I was defending the team so loudly after PSU was because I thought we'd really improved - as I've said, I thoroughly enjoyed watching that game. The way we played against UM really has me worried, but I'm hoping it's just a blip. We'll see soon enough ...
 

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Seriously. Let's be realistic.

The thing they DO have to worry about, though, is us getting through this season with minimal damage to moral and psyche, and then ripping sh-t up in '08 and '09. But will they admit that they were wrong then? Of course not!

In fact IF we win the National title or a BCS in 09 they will write, "But remember 07?? C.W. should have been fired for that, Notre Dame is just like everyone else...."
 
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I am not ready to concede 2-6 at this point....3-5? maybe, if something ugly happens, but after gulping up some serious amount of Nyquil, Sudafed and Tylenol today - and washing it down with a heaping pitcher of Charlie-Aid - I can still see 4-4 as a real possibility for this team heading into the JV portion of the schedule in November...(Disclaimer! - of course, things can always seem a lot rosier when you can't feel your fingers or have a head cold and allergies so severe that it feels like you have been inhaling Nirtrous Oxide all morning!)

Of course, all of this is based firmly on my belief that this team will actually show up and perform on Saturday to their abilities and not look like a modern day version of the Keystone Kops on the O-Line again....but here's how it can happen....

MSU? I think MSU is a team that ND can beat....I watched their game against Pitt last week and hardly came away thinking "damn....those guys are GOOD..." Pitt handed them the game after MSU failed to put them away on several occassions. Granted their is scant on-field evidence to believe this, but ND SHOULD win this game....and until further notice "that's why you're Michigan State.." is not a throw-away line from a TV commentator, it is an official university motto!

Purdue? They do not feature a dominating defense nor do they feature a dominating rushing game - two things that have given ND fits in the first 3 weeks (well, just about everything has given them fits in the first three weeks, but those thigns more so than others...) I believe that in college football there are certain coaches that just have a school's number (Holtz and Davie sure had USC's for a while and even Willingham had Michigan's in going 2-1 against them - we will convieniently ignore his own 38-0 drubbing at the Big Outhouse). I believe that Weis has Tiller's number and that Purdue will once again show why they are a second tier program in the Big Integer for a reason...

BC? I hate BC - not dislike, not can't stand - HATE....probably as much as any school ND faces since the end of the Miami series in 1990. The scars of 1993 have never (and will never) healed. I think that final FG - (bending and twisting BOTH directions before straightening out and sinking the Irish hopes) - will flash before my eyes on my death bed. That alone is enough reason for me to eternally loathe UBiCH...but when you couple in the fact that the 4 people I have known who attended BC are among my least favorite acquaintences of the last 25 years; and their obnoxious fan base, the combination is enough to make me vomit at the mere idea of believing they will defeat ND in ND stadium...again...

Since such a belief would run contrary to the basis of my actual existence, I am fully expecting even a potential 0-6 ND team to defeat a 6-0 BC team...if I were to be forced to confront such a horrific reality, it would only potentially be a soul-soothing victory to actually destroy a BC season just one time...but then I remember its still a BC season, which even at its very, very best I would not take over the worst ND season ever...

UCLA? I just have to believe that by the time ND rolls into the Rose Bowl that they will have found an offensive line combination that works - even if that means Bemenderfer is cloned 4 times and plays all 5 positions at once while also single-handedly frightening the UCLA offense into taking a knee 3 times and punting it back on every possession simply by pointing across the field! ND will not mark the first game in that stadium in over 80 years with a dud of a performance. Seriously, Karl Dorrell was looking like a coaching casulty until USC wandered into that game last year clearly not expecting to play a whole half - let alone a full game - and UCLA STILL finished 7-6 overall! They may have been the better team for 59:20 last year, but I don't think they will be able to replicate that performance on demand...UCLA is a team under Dorrell that plays its best only when there is no pressure because they are underdogs. They won't be in this game, and they won't play well as the lead dog.

Utah, sans anyone remotely intimidating on either side of the ball (certainly no one as fierce as an O-Line of cloned Bemenderfers) bashed them in the head. Of course, that line of logic didn't help us too much with Michigan last week...but we can't allow that kind of small detail to derail our slightly drug and illness induced halucinations now....call it another win for ND and a 4-3 mark heading into the USC game...

Of course, when USC wins yet another game against the Irish, I will not blame this team or Coach Weis...it will be because the pre-announced 1977 throwback jerseys will in fact be the actual 1977 jerseys due to a manufacturing foul up by Adidas; and the resulting too small jerseys will choke off the oxygen to the players brains...

Then the Irish recover and close the season with 4 staright wins, a berth in the Gator Bowl (which everyone will howl is undeserved and unwarranted and a travesty of justice) and finally...the second holiest of grails (behind a MNC)...a bowl win....

Wow...modern pharmaceuticals and blind faith as a fan are a beautiful combination...not to mention a great way to waste 30 minutes!
 
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