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How many passes were caught against Lambert? 1,2? He was pretty solid. For being stuck in 1 on 1 coverage, I thought he did pretty good. The run D was much more suspect than the pass D. Which is what is expected with GTs strenghts.
 

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One more observation I just had...

Now, "I don't want to say anything", BUT I really hate Corso!

Anyone who watches ESPN tonight will get that refrence.
 

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Well as a whole I have to admit I expected plenty of rookie mistakes, although there were problems way beyond anything like that.... Honestly, although I never was hoping to see DD come out as the starter (not a knock on him, just think ES is the way to go until JC is ready), I feel bad for the kid. His fumbles as a whole weren't mistakes just a product of getting creamed when our line got outplayed....sigh.

QB - Poor DD. I tend to agree that Charlie went a bit too far out with the option. I think DD would be better suited to be the equivalent of Tebow in last years national champ team. Kid clearly tried and I think he has real potential but not in the system he was given. ES did pretty well and for the shots he was taking, I was impressed with what he salvaged. JC... I hope his arm gets better in a hurry.

RB - AA was the most impressive player out there not named Wheeler. He plays a lot tougher than his size would indicate, can still pick up good yardage in the power running game.... I say let that kid get a lot of touches. TT was disappointing, but who knows how much of that was the package where he was attacked in the backfield...same for Aldridge.

WR - Parris was another reason for hope. He made some key catches on 4th and handled that pressure well. Grimes and Hord didn't make much noise but didn't get the opportunity. Did we even run outside at all? I can't remember anyone blocking out there... other than GT.

TE - Carlson was the only captain who looked the part. The younger guys need some work but not too bad.

OL - Wow...just wow. The real problem wasn't getting physically beaten, even against the great line tech had; it was the inability to work together. I know Tenuta has 16 blitzes up his sleeve but c'mon.... It wasn't just the young guys either - seemed like Duncan got dominated. And delayed blitzes? There were guys triple teaming a d-end while Wheeler comes in to decapitate people.... Latina is looking like this years Minter

DL - Well nothing flashy beyond Laws FG block but they held up ok against a veteran OL. Most of the big runs were around the edge and that falls more on the OLB from what I saw. We got more pressure on the QB than I expected, but it has a ways to go. I'm betting these guys start to really build as the season goes on if we stay healthy.

LB - Crum wasn't the Crum of last year. I wasn't disappointed per se but perhaps he fit better in the 43 D. Seemed to have trouble moving laterally to catch choice. Missed tackles abounded too, but I'll chalk that up to inexperience. Overall they did ok.

DB - I agree, where was Zibby? He didn't make much of an impact, and I expected the hard-hitting D to play right into his style of play. Walls (and I'm surprised no one mentioned the rookie) did very well. Played physical, got in quickly - got torched once but it was an incompletion. Lambert.... i dunno. I don't want to rip him up but teams tend to go right at him and you know what that means. Bruton - same as walls, glad to see him be so physical and I was happy with his play.

Other: Punting - Price did ok after that first ugly thing. Think he felt more pressure than last year? Was nice to see Hughes back for kickoffs, although he could only do so much with those pooch kicks. Brown.... that killed the game. It was a stupid thing to do, Charlie will be in his ear. I hope it makes him a better player.

Overall: Honestly that was the worst possible team on this schedule to play first. They have a dynamic and fast D that overwhelmed a not-yet-gelled OL. Rather than blame Charlie who gambled with the DD scenario, I blame Kevin White for giving us the worst arrangement of a schedule ever. That man was never meant to schedule for football. This team is going to take it in the crotch for a few more weeks but steadily improve. Not much you can do about that. The biggest thing is for everyone to avoid going after DD who was given an un-winnable situation, or call for some massive change. Its gonna take time to take this team from an ugly duckling to a NC swan.


..... Im gonna go drink my liver away... GO IRISH
 

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How many passes were caught against Lambert? 1,2? He was pretty solid. For being stuck in 1 on 1 coverage, I thought he did pretty good. The run D was much more suspect than the pass D. Which is what is expected with GTs strenghts.

Yeah, but how many were missed only because they were overthrown? At least two long ones that I can think of. The guy got burned, OFTEN.

Why WAS he always in 1-on-1, though? Where was the help?
 

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Great post, piyachi! We should hear from you more often!
 

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Yeah, but how many were missed only because they were overthrown? At least two long ones that I can think of. The guy got burned, OFTEN.

Why WAS he always in 1-on-1, though? Where was the help?

Good points. We won't know for sure until we face a team who puts it up more. As far as getting burned, if its incomplete, I figure the DB did his job, though it may just be luck. GT only had 120 yds passing, so that is the least of the worries at this point. When he starts getting burned for long TDs (like every DB the past few years) its time to worry.
 

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...I figure the DB did his job, though it may just be luck.
c'mon man...he didn't get a hand in the receiver's face or disrupt the play at all. I actually thought he had decent coverage but when the ball gets there and rattles off the receivers hand while the DB does nothing, that's not the DB doing his job. Same for when the ball is overthrown (in fact, that may have more to do with pressure on the QB).

GT only had 120 yds passing, so that is the least of the worries at this point.
That's not because of a great pass D...with the way ND's defense was gassed in the 2nd half, any good passing team would have went wild on us through the air. We weren't exposed today because we didn't play a good passing team. Even at that, I would guess the majority o the passing yards were in the 2nd half.

EDIT: Had a quick look at the drive charts....looked like GT had 66 yards passing in the 2nd half. Kinda surprising that it was pretty much even split by half...I thought the pass defense was much better in the 1st half.
 
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Oops - I just realized I owed a BIG shout-out to Vernaglia among the "Good". He played a TERRIFIC game, from what I could see.
 

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One more observation I just had...

Now, "I don't want to say anything", BUT I really hate Corso!

Anyone who watches ESPN tonight will get that refrence.

I hated him from the days we played Tennessee in the late-90's and he put on the raccoon hat and pretended to be davy crockett mowing down the irish with his rifle.
 

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Yeah, but how many were missed only because they were overthrown? At least two long ones that I can think of. The guy got burned, OFTEN.

Why WAS he always in 1-on-1, though? Where was the help?

The announcers were a little over-zealous. "OH MY, YOU ONLY GET 5 OF THOSE A SEASON. OH NO, HOW CAN GEORGIA TECH COME BACK FROM THAT, OH THIS IS DEVASTATING, YOU ONLY GET 5 OF THOSE A SEASON. THESE KIDS MUST BE SICK, I HOPE IT DOESNT COST GEORGIA TECH THE GAME NOW".

Yet, when I saw the reply, IT WAS GOOD COVERAGE. He made a move, got a step, and the only place to go with it was out of bounds. If it was a "good" throw, it would have been defensed by Lambert.
 
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Not so Bad...

At least we didn't have the worst loss for today! Good 'ol Michigan lost to IAA Appalachian State! Leave it to Michigan to bail us out!!
 

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Did anyone else notice or think in the first half that Jones was trying like hell to setup the screen passes, but the defense was either in too early or he just got scared with the pressure? I know the OL played like crap, but it did appear in a couple of cases that they were trying to set up the screen, but it never materialized. Thoughts?
 
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It looked like the team just needs to play more. Most of them haven't had live action in a good year.
 

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I have now watched the game for the third time so I did not make some rash statements without seeing things in slow motion. First my Offensive observations and they are OFFENSIVE!!!!

QB - I said to several people prior to the season that DJ should not be a QB. His passes look plain ugly. I have watch the spring game and any available tape on him passing and it is not good. The game proved that out. Chuck was scared to death to let him throw down field. Jones saw his last day playing QB. Sharpley is just what we all thought, servicable. He knows the O and will make some nice passes. Problem is he has a tendancy to make slow decisions will get killed back there. Clausen is starting to get his arm back and you see his football savy. Next week we need to start Sharpley since he is so familiar with the O and have JC back up. DJ needs to find a spot on the recieving corp.
Grade D-(not an F because lots of the problem were line related)

RB - There were some dissapointments here and some suprises. First the pain. TT looked slow, hesitant and lacking any talent. Armando is exactly what he looks like on film, scary fast and elusive. His fumble on the KO was not even a fumble. He had the ball until the pile up. Aldridge, he looked better than I hear guys here talking. Look at a couple runs where he gets hit right at the line and still churns out extra yards. He is not as fast as I hoped, but he is a good runner with size and power. Hughes, not enough to make any judgement yet. Junior, not much there either. Aldridge and Allen should be the feature backs here. At FB, Shwaap is a waste of talent. He is not good runner and misses more blocks than he makes. His size and strength would be great on the DL.
Grade C+(take out TT and its a B+ given our stellar O-line play, ha ha)


WR - Actually most of them look OK. Parris is gonna be solid. Grimes made a good breakaway on his long route. West look pretty good. Hord made a nice catch. Kamara also looked OK. The issue we have is that we will need to get Kamara in the mix to provide some size. West and Grimes can share duties since the size and skill set is similar. Grade C+

TE - Carlson looked himself, just nothing much to catch. Yeatman looks solid and made a nice catch. Rueland looked overpowered. Grade B-

OL - This was plain HORRIBLE!!!! If I see one more OL dive at a DL's feet, I am gonna head to SB and kick the crap out of Latina myself. The part that really dissapointed me was actually the run blocking. I know we gave up 67 sacks and hurries, but many times those are missed assignments which can be worked out to an extent. But drive blocking is a matter of physical mano y mano. Lock up your man and get max push. We were actually getting pushed back. The scary part is that if you look at the weights of OL vs DL, we had them outweighed by 30+. This means we just got our A*& kicked on the OL. Grade F-
Overall Offensive analysis. Fix the O line and we have the workings of a pretty decent O. I believe with time Sharpley and Clausen can make passes. Our runners with some open field can make yardage. The WR's are capable and will grow quickly with some catches.

Defense
Safeties - Bruton played well, although looked a little lost at times. This comes with a first start. Zibby was Zibby of 2006. He did not do anything bad, but no great hits or plays.
Grade C
CB - I was pleased to for the most part on their coverage. As for run support, this needs to get better, but they were stuck in more one on one coverage which means they have to play tough on the WR's.
Grade C+

ILB - This was an area I expected to see a good performance and it was OK. Crum is good at handling inside play, but does not flow well to the ball on the outside. Brockington looked better than last year. Toryan did not play as well as expected. Grade C

OLB - Vernaglia looked really good. He made several tackles and is pretty fast at pursuit. Other than him I did not see anything out of this bunch. Ryan is very average and cannot break free of OL blocks.
Grade C-(would be a solid D here without Vernaglia)

DL - This group deserves Kudos for taking a beating all day with littl relief. Kuntz and Laws are definitely solid and play with passion. Unfortunately, they just ran out of gas. As for J. Brown, are you kidding me??? Get your head on straight. That alone was the biggest game changer of the game. Stephenson looked OK, just not big enough. I hope Hand realizes how much PT he is missing. He will be a co-starter in week 4. We have noone else. Ian looked OK at NG, but as a freshmen you cannot expect more than spot duty relief. Grade B-(this grade is part performance and part for heart shown by kuntz and Laws)
Overall Defensive analysis. I am very scared about the 3-4. It is obvious that the offense can run to the outside all day long. It is far too easy to pinch the OLB's and with 5 guys on the line of scrimmage, you only have 2 LB's to flow to an outside play. Our LB's are not fast flowing players. If I were playing ND, I would let um load the box and use speed to the outside all day long. On the positive, I liked the aggressiveness of the D and the ability of our CB's to stay with the WR's in coverage.

Coaching: I never thought I would say that Weiss got outcoached totally, but he did a horrible job of play calling. Further, Latina better realize he is on the chopping block. After the OL play yesterday, you start to wonder is last year was more coaching and not player related. You cannot convince me that we do not have talent at OL. Every kid on that OL was highly regarded coming out of HS.

Season outlook: I said before yesterday that I thought 7-5 was likely with 6-6 being possible with a few bad breaks. Looks alot like 6-6. Next week could get ugly too. If I am PSU, I am loading the box and bringing heat every single down. My biggest concern for this year is that we fold the tent which will send a sign to our upcoming recruits which could be a bigger loss.
 

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Nice post, jonesman. Very nice post.

K-Police, maybe you're right about Lambert. I definitely thought I saw him get burned several times, though, but again maybe you're right.

Senoj
, I think you're right that CW was trying to set up the screen for DJ, but I think the problem was that JONES was too scared to throw the ball (and the one time he did, it hit his guy in the feet). DJ had MAJOR happy feet yesterday ...
 

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First priority...fix the offensive line...we need to protect and give time to the qtrbk. regardless of who he is. Personally, I thought Clausen was the best of the three Saturday. We have great RB,s but they also need a hole to run thru. If we are to win 7 games, we must improve the offensive line. The defense was good but needs to get a lot better to win 7 games. I certainly hope our commitments stick with us.
 
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The team played bad and they along with the coaches know it so let's see what they do next week before we pile on them.
 

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This bugs me ...

This bugs me ...

I was reading ESPN's coverage of UM's loss to App. State :)gbanana:) and they said something about how the UM-ND matchup had lost its luster because "ND got blown out by unranked Georgia Tech".

Now, hold on - GT was unranked because it was the FIRST WEEK OF THE SEASON, and NO-ONE KNOWS HOW GOOD ANYONE IS. I can PROMISE you they'll be ranked on Monday, and probably at the end of the season as well.

A bad loss? Definitely. But it was to a GOOD team.
 

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The one plus I saw was in the kicking game. Of the two kickoffs, one was a few yards deep in the endzone and the other was to the goal line. Except for the shank by the Price, the coverage and our returns were decent and no miscues. We have got to get the running game going. I hope we can get it going against PSU, or it's going to be a long season!
 

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The one plus I saw was in the kicking game. Of the two kickoffs, one was a few yards deep in the endzone and the other was to the goal line. Except for the shank by the Price, the coverage and our returns were decent and no miscues. We have got to get the running game going. I hope we can get it going against PSU, or it's going to be a long season!

You're right - kickoffs looked really good.
 

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Thanks John, I usually stick to reading rather than posting but.... this was stress relief after a trouncing.

Yea I forgot about kickoffs in the midst of all that. Between Whittaker and the frosh it looks like we might have some decent kicking for the next few years.

I thought the OLB play was good from Vernaglia as well as Brown. I think part of the problem with getting hurt on those outside runs was our corners getting blocked. We are recruiting big, physical corners - and despite the immense talent we have in the backfield it might be a problem of our corners not fitting the mold of the 34 corner. The OLB should be getting in the QB's face, and they shouldn't have to get out there to make that tackle on the edge (I doubt any college-level OLBs are going to be able to match the speed of a decent rusher getting out there). As a Ravens fan (sorry all you mid-westerners but I'm a Baltimore boy) I would recommend you take a look at Chris McAllister if you want to see how a physical corner can shut down that outside lane. If anyone here expects to see Brown chasing down some speedster outside this season, I think you're probably going to be disappointed. Best way to fix it is to have Zibby step up and use that speed we've been hearing about or have the CBs work on getting free of blocks.
That all being said, I think they will make progress on that. Walls showed some good physicality, as did Bruton. It's just time for the vets to step up.

Again people please try not to rip on DD. He wasn't the one calling the plays. Charlie gambled. Charlie lost. He accepted that and discussed in length in the presser. I know it's a gut reaction to blame the guy with the turnovers but when you get hit but 3 or 4 guys at the same time because you have no protection, how would you do? Demetrius wasn't careless with the ball, he was overwhelmed. Now as for his passing ability - there was one pass... ONE. So please people, stop saying you know something about how he can pass. Clearly he is capable, he is a Notre Dame quarterback. I hope we see more of him, just in a role that suits him better (again ie: Tebow).
 

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Hahahaha at least we didn't lose to App State.

You know I don't have friends that are UM fans, partially because no one here likes them and partially because it's a personal policy of mine.

This loss will be forgotten with next years NC team. Their loss? Oh well I will remember that for loooooooooong time.
 

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The Day After

The Day After

think Lou said it best on the recap show last night. Not only did we lose talent (BQ,JS,RM,DW, etc) but the leadership they provided left. The team needs a leader, especially on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe Carlson, needs to step up and take control, but someone has to or Charlie has to make someone do it. Looking back on the game, I think the defense played well until the end of the first half when they were probably gassed. You can keep sending a defense out there after 3 and outs every time. They got about 3 minutes of rest and then had to return to the field with GT having the ball on our 40. The mental mistakes were killers, the procedures penalties on offense put the in bad spots and obviously Brown's penalty cost us points and time on the field. I doubt we are as bad as we played yesterday or at least I hope not! Again, quoting Lou, you learn more about your team between games one and two then at any other point in the year.

GO IRISH
 

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Nice post. But can we try not to create tons of new threads on similar topics? This could just as well go in the "observations from the game" thread ...
 

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Hahahaha at least we didn't lose to App State.

You know I don't have friends that are UM fans, partially because no one here likes them and partially because it's a personal policy of mine.

This loss will be forgotten with next years NC team. Their loss? Oh well I will remember that for loooooooooong time.
It's called scUM.

For the next 100 years, whenever a scUM fan starts talking trash, all that needs to be done is utter the three words "Appalachian State University." How I am looking forward to the next 100 years... :)
 

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The thing I got out of yesterdays game was that Armando is going to be something special. ND has to protect the qb if we want to have any success this year.
 
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Thanks John, I usually stick to reading rather than posting but.... this was stress relief after a trouncing.

Yea I forgot about kickoffs in the midst of all that. Between Whittaker and the frosh it looks like we might have some decent kicking for the next few years.

I thought the OLB play was good from Vernaglia as well as Brown. I think part of the problem with getting hurt on those outside runs was our corners getting blocked. We are recruiting big, physical corners - and despite the immense talent we have in the backfield it might be a problem of our corners not fitting the mold of the 34 corner. The OLB should be getting in the QB's face, and they shouldn't have to get out there to make that tackle on the edge (I doubt any college-level OLBs are going to be able to match the speed of a decent rusher getting out there). As a Ravens fan (sorry all you mid-westerners but I'm a Baltimore boy) I would recommend you take a look at Chris McAllister if you want to see how a physical corner can shut down that outside lane. If anyone here expects to see Brown chasing down some speedster outside this season, I think you're probably going to be disappointed. Best way to fix it is to have Zibby step up and use that speed we've been hearing about or have the CBs work on getting free of blocks.
That all being said, I think they will make progress on that. Walls showed some good physicality, as did Bruton. It's just time for the vets to step up.

Again people please try not to rip on DD. He wasn't the one calling the plays. Charlie gambled. Charlie lost. He accepted that and discussed in length in the presser. I know it's a gut reaction to blame the guy with the turnovers but when you get hit but 3 or 4 guys at the same time because you have no protection, how would you do? Demetrius wasn't careless with the ball, he was overwhelmed. Now as for his passing ability - there was one pass... ONE. So please people, stop saying you know something about how he can pass. Clearly he is capable, he is a Notre Dame quarterback. I hope we see more of him, just in a role that suits him better (again ie: Tebow).

I agree 100% with this analysis from last weekend. I think CW needs to go away with trying to use DD's athletic abilities and let him throw the ball. I didn't like the play call(game plan) at the beginning of the game and then when we were in a 3rd and long GT brought pressure and OLine couldn't pick up the blitzers. I don't blame that poor performance on just one person, I think the whole team from coaches on down get the blame for this one. I don't want to take anything away from GT either, they played a hell of a game. Choice is the real deal in my opinion, he was the work horse last week.
 

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I agree 100% with this analysis from last weekend. I think CW needs to go away with trying to use DD's athletic abilities and let him throw the ball. I didn't like the play call(game plan) at the beginning of the game and then when we were in a 3rd and long GT brought pressure and OLine couldn't pick up the blitzers. I don't blame that poor performance on just one person, I think the whole team from coaches on down get the blame for this one. I don't want to take anything away from GT either, they played a hell of a game. Choice is the real deal in my opinion, he was the work horse last week.

I just said a similar thing in a different thread, but it's not clear that CW wasn't "letting" DD throw it. Sometimes it looked like that's what he was supposed to do, but he just tucked and ran instead.
 
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