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yeah you did beat me to it. Any way what if this stuff turns out to be true? What will yall do then?
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I saw it...I remember when they discovered the tomb. I don't think we will ever know who it is. However, let's be brutally honest here...
IF JESUS CHRIST GOT MARRIED AND HAD KIDS...IT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.
His message was not about Church Ceremonies and Practices... His message was one of love. What better way to express your love than a family?
To an extent, I think the Catholic Church would agree with me on this. But only to an extent.
As a protestant, I don't care if he was married or not...I only care about the message of love, compassion, and being good/honest/true.
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Is this just another liberal ploy to denounce Christianity? I like how the religious scholars had not even seen the evidence and said that it was probaly 1.5 on a scale of 10 of being probable. LMAO at that. Typical. And he knew that the name on the casket was no where near the name of Jesus.
I also found it interesting that it mentioned that 5 israleis were punsihed for forging the James Ossuary. One more relic denounced.
So that is...
Splinters of the Crucifix...fake
Nails of the Crucifix....fake
Spear of Destiny.....fake
Shroud of Turin.....fake
james Ossuary....fake
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Not to be mean but it would change everything that the faith was built on. It would mean that Jesus was human and has blood line on this earth. It would not allow for him to be part of the trinity ( unless you belive in transubstantiation which is mythical at best). It would mean that everything about the New Testament was false. What other proof would you need to denounce it? How much more evidence does it take?
Interesting how different sects of the faith are still picking and choosing what to believe versus other sects. Just silly IMO.
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I mean it couldve been anyones tomb. come on. back in the 60s AD Israel revolted from the Roman empire and started a war. it went good at first but then they lost and about 20000- to 60000 Israeli rebels were crucified. it could have been anyone.
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Im not saying it is. But what if? what if jesus's body was found in a tomb and there was proof of his earthly family. That would not negate the resurection story? and why nothing about it in the bible? why cover it up?
There is evidently some reason to think this is a suspect tomb. I mean even james' ossuary was given creedence until it was proved a forgery ( just like the other artifacts).
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whats the james ossuary i never heard of that
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It was a casket similar to the ones mentioned in this article that was found recently. It was determined that it was a forgery. Imagine that. It was inscribed with the arameic words " james brother of jesus". Had this been proved to be reliable, I gaurantee you that Christians would have been all over this as the sole proof required for Jesus' existence. Yet this new find has to be completely false because it would undermine so much of their faith. Cherry picking at its best.
http://www.answers.org/apologetics/jamesbonebox.html
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Who am I, Lord Voldemort? Man yall are crazy. You know who is right here. What say you? Any comments or are you just going to be insulting. i
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do you not see what this does to the priesthood? How about all the other religions in the world that do not acept JC as their lord and savior? Even if they lead a good compassionate life they will still be relgated to hell or at best purgatory according to your beliefs.
It basically makes the whole new testament fallable. Christians wont accept that lying down.
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I have very little idea of what the Trinity really is... Being Quaker we don't really play around in that type of stuff.
There is NOTHING that says the Christ cannot be human.
Everyone knows that the New Testament was written hundreds of years after actual events. Some believe it's literal, some don't.
To be honest, when looked at with a skeptical eye and a cynical view, the New Testament is far more engaging and important than if it were literal.
If you take it word for word, you have lost the meaning.
Turn the other cheek means so much more when you understand that it was about Civil Disobedience. A Roman citizen could only smack someone with the BACK of their right hand...so offering the other cheek could get them thrown in jail.
Carrying a pack for a mile, then another? That could get a Roman soldier flogged for forcing citizens to carry the pack for more than 1 mile. Again, Civil Disobedience.
I do believe Jesus was mortal. I do not buy the resurrection as such. I do believe that he was a Genius and that his words, taken to heart could change the face of the world...and truly make it a wonderful, caring place...more so than ever before.
But original sin...stuff like that...that's just a way to get money out of people.
Love, forgiveness, fairness, honesty, equality of spirit, etc...it's a good message.
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No. I am not that well acquainted with the Priesthood. Quakers don't have Priests, Ministers, Pastors, etc.
You may speak to god directly. And hopefully, if you listen carefully he will speak to you. (not a voice, but through your actions)
The message is simple and is universal. Some people miss out, some people don't.
However, I believe Hell is a construct of those would who soak me for money... If God loves all and God forgives and we are all really his children...my feeling is that upon death (should there be an afterlife) enlightenment will be afforded to all.
God is love. God is not hate.
Purgatory/Hell = artificial constructs.
I live as "Christian-like" as possible. Not because I fear my god, but because I love my fellow man. As it should be. We are all in this together, I like to think that I am not trying to fuck it up for anyone else.
Which New Testament? Which Bible? There are dozens. And if people read the most definitive texts and did some historical research, it becomes clear that Jesus was an amazing person in his own right. His lessons are universal and clear...and filled with love.
The New Testament is a construct of Man...it is BY DEFINITION fallable.
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I dont know much about the Quaker version of Christianity but most protestants or Catholics take a literal truth to the bible and even use it to base their politcis on. It is hypoctritcial to say the least. it would severly damage the beliefs of the megachurches in the midwest if this were true. Christ was not only human but part of the trinity, the father the son and the holy ghost. This is a major part of the belief core for Chrisitans. Muslims actually consider Christianity a polytheistic religon due to the trinity and is one reason they dont acknowledge Jesus as the messiah.
Love, forgiveness, fairness, honesty, equality of spirit, etc...is a good message, but you dont need to have belief in the bible to live a life like that. I dont and i live a very generous and propserous life. My whole point.
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That's their call, I won't criticize it. Who's to say really?
I agree...it's my point too. That's kinda Jesus' point too...especially since it was all written hundreds of years after his death.
He was pretty progressive given the times he lived in.
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Ehhhhh..... see the thing is is that there is plenty of evidence that all or most of JC's teachings were borrowed in some form or another. I mean indigenous peopls of borneo have similar if not identical beliefs reagrding treating people as you would want to be treated.
Not sure what the point is then in a person calling themselves a Christian between the bickering over teachings and the historical inaccuarcies and the borrowed customs. Where does it stop?
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No one said they were revolutionary ideals...many had been around for hundreds or thousands of years.
Jesus just happened to get it wrapped up pretty damn well.
Just like the ideals this country was founded on. They were nothing new, but they were best codified here. So far anyway...
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Leave it to hollywood to put forth fiction concerning religion. Remember, the source is often more telling than the message.
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If jesus was infact not divine and was not reserected...and did not die for our sins...the casm between us and God still exsists and by definition no one is worthy of heaven. Christianity is based on this...it isn't a part of it, it is the whole. We should love etc. etc. but we didn't. Therefore God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son.....
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However, if we are all God's children and through introspection and devotion we might just be able to hold him in our hearts and act as he would hope. What Quakers call the Inner Light.
The Quaker belief that an Inner Light resides in each person is based on a passage from John 1:9, which says, "That was the true light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world."
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My understanding of the James ossuary was that it was supposed to be the piece of evidence that debunked the belief that Blessed Mother was "the ever virgin Mary". That she bore a son, James, after the birth of Christ. I didn't pay much attention to it because it sounded phony to me from the start.
Having faith is like being cool, either have it or don't. Both attributes are missing in SLH's case.
Having faith is like being cool, either have it or don't. Both attributes are missing in SLH's case.
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I think that can be said for the other side too.
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What? Cool matters how? What is this a high shcool click or something? The ossuary simply said here lies James the brother of Jesus in Arameic. Had this been true, everyone in the Christian faith would have been all over it as the sole proof of the exisistence of Jesus ( or in their minds yet another piece of evidence). All in all every relic that has made it to scrutiny "proving the existence of JC" all have been found to be fakes. Hmmmmm......
Had that added to Mary not being a virgin or could she simply have had another son with Joesph? Dont know dont care because it all stems from jesus.
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Yea, but you don't see me coming out with movies trying to disprove your views. It is called respect and tolerance. I think what they are doing is shameful!
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this so called documentary in my opinion is going to be as real as michael jackson's face. I also feel this was about an incovienent truth but dont get me started on that now
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how old are you 12? Things stop being cool right after you get into the real world. Then it becomes a question of whether you can live with or without it.
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If you read the article closely it says that Christians are against it without having even seen the evidence because it contradicts their highest beliefs. Imagine that. It looks like you are already dismissing it as well. Why would that be? Have you examined the evidence?
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what the hell was "Passion" then? That was shameful. Melg Gibson is off his rocker anyway and that was nothing but a glorified horror movie.