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blmarek
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Corwin Brown. If he can turn our defense around look out.
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Agreed but the same thread also works for Jimmy... he verballed so early the excitment really wore off for most people... anyway, our class is top ten for the second straight year... things are looking up...
ALL THINGS considered... this was a good year for Notre Dame Football
ALL THINGS considered... this was a good year for Notre Dame Football
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Thank you for putting things in perspective.
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Until you see some speed how can you say that.
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FleaFlicker
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For the last time. WE HAVE TEAM SPEED. We aren't an SEC team on defense, but we will have very capable guys.
Our corners and safeties getting burned last year had nothing to do with their speed. It had to do with the scheme that was in place and them acting a second late because they had to over-think everything. Defensive players need to be much more instinctual than we were playing last year, and Minter was the reason for that.
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Well said, FF. Can I go cut and paste that as a reply to the dozen other posts where he said exactly the same thing about speed?
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I'm working on it as we speak
Yea, I was picking up on that -- thanks!
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I was going to say something almost identical, but I didn't have the energy. Thanks.
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rontdtarchala
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correct unless you are micro fast if you are out of position or have to take a test before you react your screwed!!!
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Sorry, I don't speak Spanish.
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ShivaIrish
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It should be pointed out that Weis, in his press conference made a comment about wanting a safety with better "sideline-to-sideline" range.
Here's the quote from the transcript: "The thing we're bringing him in as a safety who can cover from sideline to sideline. One of the things we think we need to do is get additional range in the secondary with our safeties. We're really happy to get Harrison in here."
the link: http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020707aac.html
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It should be pointed out that Weis, in his press conference made a comment about wanting a safety with better "sideline-to-sideline" range.
Exactly. Zibby and Nuke were great run supports but down right bad in coverage. To get the defense to the elite level you need to have safeties that are good at both. Look at Florida with Nelson or LSU with Landry.
Going to the 3-4 will only exasperate the need to have good cover safeties. Look at the NFL teams that run the 3-4 and are successful. One of the best 3-4 teams has one of the best cover safties, the Ravens and Ed Reed. While the Cowboys had some success this year with the 3-4, almost everyone will agree that the weakest link of the defense was the inablity of Roy Williams to cover anyone, which lead to teams just throwing over the top. Does that sound familiar? Having good all-around safties will go a long way in making this defense better.
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iloveirish_12
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How long you think Brown is going to be at ND? I don't think he will be here for a long time. I think it is a stepping stone to the NFL.
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I'm sure it is but he needs to suceed at ND to move up in the world. I'm thinking he'll be around for at least three years. Speaking of stepping stones how long do you think Urban Meyer will remain in the college ranks? A couple more years like the one he had this year and he will be gone to the NFL.
meh...people say the same thing about carroll every year.
if urban is determined to get to the pros, he needs a few more years to evolve his offensive philosophy beyond the 'off-tackle tebow' mentality. that just won't fly in the pros.
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Um... did we watch the same BCS Championship Game? The offense Urbie called in that game wasn't exactly Tebow Runs Left Ad Naseum.
Hell, look back to the SEC Championship Game against Arkansas. Every time Urbie sent Tebow out there, Arkansas's defense took great relish in yelling "Run right!" (Tebow's left was their right, of course.) They knew what was coming. And Urbie even gave it to them all through the first half, running Tebow to the left almost every time. But then in the second half he got tricky and started playing off of that expectation. One play in particular worked great; Tebow took the snap from shotgun and started running to the left, just like he ALWAYS does... except this time he flipped the ball out to a wide receiver (I could swear it was Percy Harvin) who was sprinting around on a reverse, and he took it to the house.
But hey, Tebow ALWAYS runs left, right?
They ran a similar trick against Ohio State. Tebow in the shotgun, takes the snap and runs left. The defense bit, and bit HARD because that's what Tebow does, right? He runs it to the left EVERY SINGLE TIME. Only this time, Tebow pulled up short of the line, because while the defense was biting on him, a lone receiver cut in behind the D and was all alone in the end zone. Tebow hit him with an easy touch pass, and boom: touchdown Gators.
But hey, Tebow ALWAYS runs left, right?
Somewhere, Urban Meyer is flashing an evil grin this morning.
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i could be mistaken but I think they pretty much spanked OSU without running tebow but a handful of times. Ill admit its a gimmicky offense, only to get more gimmicky but that O gave teams fits all year.
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beat me to it VY. dang you! LOL!
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yes, i watched the game. i also recall the dozen games florida played prior to that game.
have you stopped to consider why the Arkansas and OSU defenses bit on the tebow decoy so frequently? just because tebow didn't run off-tackle much during THOSE games doesn't mean that Urban didn't spend the entire season using tebow as a running back at the QB position. THAT's the reason why defenses bit on the fake late in the season.
Although he's modified his philosophy to better handle the SEC defenses, a large part of Urban's offense relies on putting his quarterback in a position to take a lot of beating by opposing defenses. Similar to John L. Smith's system at MSU - that's what the spread offense does.
now tell me - how many pro quarterbacks (and more importantly, team owners) will want to get on board with an offensive philosophy that employs a between-the-tackles running QB for 90% of the season just to get defenses to finally bite on the fake once they hit the playoffs?
a fake only works when there's a set up. and it's the set up - ie the run - that won't fly with a franchise QB in the nfl.
i stand by my original point. meyer's offensive philosophy will have to continue to evolve before he makes a jump to the pros.
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You're oversimplifying my point by focusing on Tim Tebow, but I over-focused on Tebow myself, so that's my fault.
The point you seem to be making is that Urbie is too simple-minded offensively, and you point to his use of Tebow as proof.
My point is two-fold. First, the part of the offense that revolved around Tebow this year was not as simple as you think it was. And second, the part of the offense that revolved around Tebow this year was, what, 20% of the offense? Chris Leak was the QB most of the time, so if we're going to debate Urbie's offense, we really shouldn't focus on the 2nd-string QB.
Anyway... when Florida's offense was running correctly this year, it gave opposing teams fits. The games where Florida struggled were mainly the games where they were shooting themselves in the foot with bad passes, fumbles, muffed snaps and the like. But they got better and more comfortable with the offense as the season wore on, and it finally "clicked" sometime during the Arkansas game, and stayed on track all the way through the Ohio State game. Crazy formations, pre-snap motion, misdirection, trickery, and the occasional jump-pass... that is not a simple-minded offense.
People love to belittle Urban Meyer by saying "All he does is run Tebow to the left EVERY SINGLE TIME." No. No he doesn't. He doesn't even play Tebow at all for most of the plays. And even for the plays were Tebow DOES get in there, the "he runs left EVERY SINGLE TIME" line still isn't correct. A lot? Yes. Every single time? No, not even close. It's a funny line, but "funny" does not equal "true."
His season-long set-up game with Tim Tebow was just a single ingredient of that offense... one of many such ingredients.
Would that sort of set-up game work in the NFL? Well, let me shift to another example. In the NFL, on the vast majority of point-after-touchdown plays, the coach sends out the kicking team and kicks the extra-point in. Or, to re-phrase it in Smart-Ass-Ese, the coach kicks for one EVERY SINGLE TIME. You kick the extra point every time until you lull the defense into a sense of complacency and they think they know what to expect, and then you catch them napping with the holder taking the snap for an end-around untouched into the end zone. And it works, even against vaunted NFL defenses that are supposedly "too disciplined" to fall for "gimmick plays." NFL defenses fall for gimmick plays all the time; that's why NFL coaches keep using them. See the Music City Miracle. See the Steelers running those crazy trick passes with Kordell Stewart on reverse runs.
Hell, the whole GAME of football is built on gimmicks and mis-direction. What do you think a play-action pass is?
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Woody Hayes is going to punch you!
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Bring 'im on! I'm ready for anyone tonight... even ralphie/clotho. BOO-YAH!!!
(Geez. Is it September yet?)
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In the later stages of the season, but the offense was somewhat sporadic for the first 8 or so games.
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It can't be as bad as last year! I see us improving marginally every year until we get to where we need to be on defense.