Coach Weis on Rivals Radio

[irishunclebill]

Yes, I am a hater - all that money Ive put into ND over the years is actually funneled to a secret USC fund.......

Sorry for calling him a good coach and good recruiter. I know, I know, its the year 2007 where the next thing is always "the best" now Peyton Manning is "the best" nevermind Tom Brady used to be "the best" but then again Tom Brady was better than Montana 2 years ago too but now hes not even as good as Manning nor is he a pro bowler.............

Sorry for not being full of shit, mea culpa

You are incredible if you really think that you are not full of shit. Every time you post, you try to say that CW is a good this and a good that, and then proceed to rip him any way you can. If that's not being full of shit, I don't know what is. Go take a dump and come back with something only positive to say in one complete post, then maybe you will have the right to say it.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

OK FI9 my bad. I just assumed that since both yours and WBA's "whining" comments appeared on this thread right after CW ended his interview on Rivals radio that you were saying he was whining there. ASSUME as we all knows means........

Now as to his interview, I did see that and in fact I posted earlier in this thread the quotes from the segment right before the Benn subject came up. Here they are again.

"No soft verbals, no silent verbals, no quiet verbals. Either you're committed or you're not committed. I don't think there is any in-between there."

“I think that one of the things that we are going to make sure of this year, differently than we have done in the past, is make sure when a guy wants to say yes to us, that there is a clear understanding from everyone, they are not going to visit anywhere else, they are not going to talk to anyone else, it's either they are committed to us or not committed to us"

Now, if this is the part that you are calling whining, I would normally say to a rational person that we would just have to agree to disagree. However, if a clear and perfectly understandable statement of CW’s recruiting policy going forward is whining to you and WBA, then it is clear that both of you are delusional with respect to anything Charlie Weis says. Please don’t come back with a post where you say it isn’t true, I really do like CW, and then in the same post rip him to shreds. Just admit it, you hate the guy, and since your posts so clearly show that, why are you posting on a ND fan site. Pass me the Kool-Aid, MM MM it’s good.

No, that isn't the "whinning" at all, I'm actually a fan of those ideas...kinda wonder why that wasn't always the case but what ever....the comments I'm talking about are when he goes on and on about the morality of recruiting and when people should do what....he was very vague and it came across as whinning a bit.....

I really don't think the Whinning is a big deal as in many ways I agree with it....My point is simply if he is going to whine about it....he should stick to his guns on it and not offer kids committed else where....which he did do....we stole the kid from Iowa...and I don't have a problem with that....

I'm just saying if you don't want others going after your committs....you shouldn't be going after others committs either

as for ripping the guy....can you provide one example in which I ever ripped the guy....I know folks like to spread rumors about me on here saying this and that or doing this and that.......lets try providing some proof to back us such claims

 

[goldenechoes]

Fi9

Fi9

I'm more negative than the average ND fan, but even I find your brand of cynicism tiring.

Its not about us being "Homers" and you being the "realist". When it comes to ND, you just dont get "it".

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

i'm not going to get in the middle of your debate here, but that's revisionist history that you're promoting there. average star rating is misleading, because it doesn't take into consideration the size of the class, etc.

following the same rivals classes you cite above, ND's actual class ranking looks a little different:

2002: #24
2003: #12
2004: #32
2005: #40
2006: #8
2007: #8

hmmm....that's an average rating about #36 for the two years prior to 2006 & 2007.

I didn't bring up average star rankings.....he did (and Charlie Weis was the Head Coach on Signing day in 05)

 

[weisbankaccount]

OK FI9 my bad. I just assumed that since both yours and WBA's "whining" comments appeared on this thread right after CW ended his interview on Rivals radio that you were saying he was whining there. ASSUME as we all knows means........

Now as to his interview, I did see that and in fact I posted earlier in this thread the quotes from the segment right before the Benn subject came up. Here they are again.

"No soft verbals, no silent verbals, no quiet verbals. Either you're committed or you're not committed. I don't think there is any in-between there."

“I think that one of the things that we are going to make sure of this year, differently than we have done in the past, is make sure when a guy wants to say yes to us, that there is a clear understanding from everyone, they are not going to visit anywhere else, they are not going to talk to anyone else, it's either they are committed to us or not committed to us"

Now, if this is the part that you are calling whining, I would normally say to a rational person that we would just have to agree to disagree. However, if a clear and perfectly understandable statement of CW’s recruiting policy going forward is whining to you and WBA, then it is clear that both of you are delusional with respect to anything Charlie Weis says. Please don’t come back with a post where you say it isn’t true, I really do like CW, and then in the same post rip him to shreds. Just admit it, you hate the guy, and since your posts so clearly show that, why are you posting on a ND fan site. Pass me the Kool-Aid, MM MM it’s good.

Let me ask 1 question unclebill -

If all the ND verbals would have committed as planned, does Weis go on and talk about the whole "no soft verbals, no silent verbals etc etc etc" or does he go on there and talk about how happy he was with the class and process?

I also think that if Weis thinks this hard line stance will work with a 17 year old with 50 schools after him, then he will hurt ND in the future.

Can you imagine a kid saying "im interested but I want to go see Michigan and SC" and Weis says "well, if you say youre coming here, then I dont want you talking to anybody else - hang up if they call"

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

I'm more negative than the average ND fan, but even I find your brand of cynicism tiring.

Its not about us being "Homers" and you being the "realist". When it comes to ND, you just dont get "it".

If you say so...

However I believe in the players no matter who recruited them, and felt they would win 9 in 05 and 11 in 06 (though I thought 10-2 would get us a winnable Gator Bowl...always thought we would lose a BCS bowl so wasn't upset with the 10-3)

I've been dead on in every evaluation I have made the last 2 years...
No top 5 classes
Not filling this years class
No #1 pick for Brady Quinn (though it hasn't happened yet)
9 wins in 05 with a break out year for the offense (that was before we hired Weis)
Losing to MSU in 05...Losing to Michigan USC, LSU in 06
Walls and McNeil Not beating out Lambert and Wooden
Lambert working his way into the starting lineup

The list can go on and on and on and on....over and over I'm correct, but that doesn't matter...as when I make these evaluations/predictions I'm called a Ty loving Weis hater

Doesn't matter that I turn out to be correct over and over and over again, the perception is I only make these predictions because I don't Hate Ty....therefore I must hate everything ND......

The thing I don't get.....is why you people think Weis is great or his achievments have been great considering the tools given him....

I also don't get why if you Question his Greatness.....you are a Weis Basher..

 

[marv81s]

With all of the switching this recruiting year, to all schools, don't you think he has a point to bring this up?

NCAA is looking into rule changes anyway, but this recruiting year was rediculous. Meyer flat out stealing 8 kids from other schools, that is pathetic. Taking away scholies from "less talented" kids to give them to "higher rated" ones. Don't you think he has a point to bring this up?

 

[weisbankaccount]

You are incredible if you really think that you are not full of shit. Every time you post, you try to say that CW is a good this and a good that, and then proceed to rip him any way you can. If that's not being full of shit, I don't know what is. Go take a dump and come back with something only positive to say in one complete post, then maybe you will have the right to say it.

If im ripping him for saying he shouldnt "complain" (same as whining but maybe this word works better for you) about a process that he exploited the exact same way that others exploited on ND, then Im ripping him.

If you dont like the committed kids switching then why did you go after kids committed to other schools?

Why the fuck am I so wrong on this? If it was Urban Meyer or Poodle saying these same things you know damn well people here would be all over it for the hypocrisy of it.

 

[marv81s]

Let me ask 1 question unclebill -

If all the ND verbals would have committed as planned, does Weis go on and talk about the whole "no soft verbals, no silent verbals etc etc etc" or does he go on there and talk about how happy he was with the class and process?

I also think that if Weis thinks this hard line stance will work with a 17 year old with 50 schools after him, then he will hurt ND in the future.

Can you imagine a kid saying "im interested but I want to go see Michigan and SC" and Weis says "well, if you say youre coming here, then I dont want you talking to anybody else - hang up if they call"

LSU and Texas have been working under that system, I don't see why ND shouldn't.

Meyer made JT off limits after he switched his verbal to Florida, why shouldn't ND do that?

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Let me ask 1 question unclebill -

If all the ND verbals would have committed as planned, does Weis go on and talk about the whole "no soft verbals, no silent verbals etc etc etc" or does he go on there and talk about how happy he was with the class and process?

I also think that if Weis thinks this hard line stance will work with a 17 year old with 50 schools after him, then he will hurt ND in the future.

Can you imagine a kid saying "im interested but I want to go see Michigan and SC" and Weis says "well, if you say youre coming here, then I dont want you talking to anybody else - hang up if they call"

I disagree....

I think its a great plan....

You aren't looking at it correctly IMO....He isn't telling recruits that are also interested in Michigan they can't be interested in Michigan.....he is saying....Hey kid...cool...you are intrested in Michigan...we are going to continue to recruit you, but we are NOT GOING TO CONSIDER YOU COMMITTED until you are NOT interested in Michigan...

As long as you have interest in other schools, we have to continue to have interest in other recruits....once you say...Thats it...ND is my school and I'm not interested in anywhere else...then we will consider you committed and won't need to recruit somoene to replace you....


Basicly all Weis is saying is....a committ is a committ.....if you are intersted elsewhere....cool...but we arent considering you committed until you aren't interested in Elsewhere...

would you marry a woman that was also interested in some other guy?


Don't committ to us, until we are the only school of interest, so once you comitt there is no need to look at other schools

 

[irishunclebill]

Let me ask 1 question unclebill -

If all the ND verbals would have committed as planned, does Weis go on and talk about the whole "no soft verbals, no silent verbals etc etc etc" or does he go on there and talk about how happy he was with the class and process?

I also think that if Weis thinks this hard line stance will work with a 17 year old with 50 schools after him, then he will hurt ND in the future.

Can you imagine a kid saying "im interested but I want to go see Michigan and SC" and Weis says "well, if you say youre coming here, then I dont want you talking to anybody else - hang up if they call"

Ok WBA- One last post, I am tired of this, but after your last comment, I take it back. You are really not very smart at all, are you. In addition to taking the hard line stance, Weis also made it clear that other teams "soft verbals etc." are fair game. This policy is exactly the policy of Les Miles at LSU, and although he won't go public with it, Urban Meyer at Florida. The policy worked out pretty well for them, did it not. Arguably the best recruiting class ever for Urban, and LSU probably third after USC. So if you think that this policy will "hurt ND in the future", you really do not know what you are talking about in light of what is actually happening out there. My bad, I gave you more credit than you deserve.

 

[KingAdrock99]

It shouldn't matter if guys go after your commits anyway. As a recruit, you have a list of schools in front of you, you go visit them all, ask the questions you need to ask, get their sales pitch and make a decision. Once you commit to a team, by then, you should have already weighed all your options and made your decision so teams going after you and trying to sell you harder shouldn't make a difference unless you didn't do a good job of figuring things out yourself. If you haven't totally decided you want to go to one place, don't commit. It's simple. If it takes you til signing day to figure out what you want, so be it, but don't commit when you're not sure that's what you want. Look at Joe McKnight. Don't do what Barksdale did and commit 50 times to 40 different teams, that's a bunch of crap and doesn't speak well of your character.

What Smith did was commit to the team he wanted all along. If ND told him they wanted him but didn't offer because he was down the list, he should not have committed to Iowa and waited for ND but if ND told him they weren't interested in him and then came back and gave him an offer after CB got there then what he did was ok. What Greg Little did was different, he had a tough choice between UNC and ND, he thought and thought and after Butch Davis got hired as the new head coach, he decided it was best that he go to ND. Then sometime between then and now, he changes his mind. If he wasn't sure, he shouldn't have committed. I'd rather have a guy stay uncommitted than commit and decommit. As a coach, I want guys I can depend on. No one wants to look at the list of commits he has and worry about who actually is committed to coming to ND and who is just waffling.

Don't say you're committed when you're not really committed is what I'm saying. If you're in doubt, don't commit.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

With all of the switching this recruiting year, to all schools, don't you think he has a point to bring this up?

NCAA is looking into rule changes anyway, but this recruiting year was rediculous. Meyer flat out stealing 8 kids from other schools, that is pathetic. Taking away scholies from "less talented" kids to give them to "higher rated" ones. Don't you think he has a point to bring this up?

What committed recruit did Meyer pull a scholarship from to give to someone else????
I very seriously doubt he did this and think you just made that up for emphasis

 

[irishunclebill]

I disagree....

I think its a great plan....

You aren't looking at it correctly IMO....He isn't telling recruits that are also interested in Michigan they can't be interested in Michigan.....he is saying....Hey kid...cool...you are intrested in Michigan...we are going to continue to recruit you, but we are NOT GOING TO CONSIDER YOU COMMITTED until you are NOT interested in Michigan...

As long as you have interest in other schools, we have to continue to have interest in other recruits....once you say...Thats it...ND is my school and I'm not interested in anywhere else...then we will consider you committed and won't need to recruit somoene to replace you....


Basicly all Weis is saying is....a committ is a committ.....if you are intersted elsewhere....cool...but we arent considering you committed until you aren't interested in Elsewhere...

would you marry a woman that was also interested in some other guy?


Don't committ to us, until we are the only school of interest, so once you comitt there is no need to look at other schools

FI9- I take it all back you are not delusional, you hit this one right on the head.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Ok WBA- One last post, I am tired of this, but after your last comment, I take it back. You are really not very smart at all, are you. In addition to taking the hard line stance, Weis also made it clear that other teams "soft verbals etc." are fair game. This policy is exactly the policy of Les Miles at LSU, and although he won't go public with it, Urban Meyer at Florida. The policy worked out pretty well for them, did it not. Arguably the best recruiting class ever for Urban, and LSU probably third after USC. So if you think that this policy will "hurt ND in the future", you really do not know what you are talking about in light of what is actually happening out there. My bad, I gave you more credit than you deserve.

Here is a question though.....do you think Weis screwed up by not doing this all along, and that a good or great recruiter would have already had this in place....since you are so high on it and all..

Shouldn't it have been obvious to Weis to do the same? I mean we are paying him how many millions?

 

[marv81s]

What committed recruit did Meyer pull a scholarship from to give to someone else????
I very seriously doubt he did this and think you just made that up for emphasis

Just some of the things that I have heard from some of my friends in the recruiting circle. does it have legs? seems funny that a couple WRs "decommitt" and they get a guy like Deonte. or a couple DEs go elsewhere and they end up with JT

Draw your own conclusions

 

[weisbankaccount]

I disagree....

I think its a great plan....

You aren't looking at it correctly IMO....He isn't telling recruits that are also interested in Michigan they can't be interested in Michigan.....he is saying....Hey kid...cool...you are intrested in Michigan...we are going to continue to recruit you, but we are NOT GOING TO CONSIDER YOU COMMITTED until you are NOT interested in Michigan...

As long as you have interest in other schools, we have to continue to have interest in other recruits....once you say...Thats it...ND is my school and I'm not interested in anywhere else...then we will consider you committed and won't need to recruit somoene to replace you....


Basicly all Weis is saying is....a committ is a committ.....if you are intersted elsewhere....cool...but we arent considering you committed until you aren't interested in Elsewhere...

would you marry a woman that was also interested in some other guy?


Don't committ to us, until we are the only school of interest, so once you comitt there is no need to look at other schools

I think its on ND, not the kid.

ND is the seller, the kid is the buyer. what happened today was = to losing a sale. Its all just words anyway, the letter is the contract. The kid can tell you 100 times that hes in but until its printed, its nothing.

2 years ago I refinanced my house, worked with 2 brokers. I informed the guy who had a rate that was off from the other guy and he literally whined and felt the need to remind me how he "went to the office on a Sunday just to accomodate me"

I told him maybe he should get out of commision work if thats how he felt.

Im a Weis "guy" and all that but 2 red flags have gone up with me now with Weis going from the pros to college- last year the whole poll complaint and talking about Florida eating cheeseburgers etc etc and now this thing with recruiting.

There seems to be a trend when things dont go his way then he complains about the system.

Remember Lorenzo Booker? this isnt some new phenomena with commits playing games. It happens to everyone including ND coaches. Stovall was ND then switched, then Ty got him back. There are 1000 cases.

Absorb it and move on.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Just some of the things that I have heard from some of my friends in the recruiting circle. does it have legs? seems funny that a couple WRs "decommitt" and they get a guy like Deonte. or a couple DEs go elsewhere and they end up with JT

Draw your own conclusions

I don't buy it at all, I think its just a Meyer hater wishing to hate on Meyer...No way he committs recruiting suicide like that.

If he ever pulled something like that it would be HUGE news and there is no way they would keep it hush hush

 

[FleaFlicker]

I think its on ND, not the kid.

ND is the seller, the kid is the buyer. what happened today was = to losing a sale. Its all just words anyway, the letter is the contract. The kid can tell you 100 times that hes in but until its printed, its nothing.

2 years ago I refinanced my house, worked with 2 brokers. I informed the guy who had a rate that was off from the other guy and he literally whined and felt the need to remind me how he "went to the office on a Sunday just to accomodate me"

I told him maybe he should get out of commision work if thats how he felt.

Im a Weis "guy" and all that but 2 red flags have gone up with me now with Weis going from the pros to college- last year the whole poll complaint and talking about Florida eating cheeseburgers etc etc and now this thing with recruiting.

There seems to be a trend when things dont go his way then he complains about the system.

Remember Lorenzo Booker? this isnt some new phenomena with commits playing games. It happens to everyone including ND coaches. Stovall was ND then switched, then Ty got him back. There are 1000 cases.

Absorb it and move on.

Of the people that complain about that poll talk, very few read the transcript of have any idea of the context. Do you?

He was asked, if he thought it was right that they got jumped two spots?

He never said "No". He said, "I don't understand it". And went on to explain both of the team's situations and why it didn't make sense to him. He answered a question, he didn't whine, he didn't complain, he didn't say he was pissed off. Get your facts straight, no one ever seems to anymore.

 

[irishunclebill]

Here is a question though.....do you think Weis screwed up by not doing this all along, and that a good or great recruiter would have already had this in place....since you are so high on it and all..

Shouldn't it have been obvious to Weis to do the same? I mean we are paying him how many millions?

That is a fair question, and the only excuse that Weis can have is that he had never been a college coach before, and did not realize how cut throat it is out there. However, you are right he should have realized that after last year, and probably should have been more cut throat this year, he was most likely trying to take the high road still, and ended up getting somewhat burnt because of it. Lessons learned, and it's time to go forward.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

I think its on ND, not the kid.

ND is the seller, the kid is the buyer. what happened today was = to losing a sale. Its all just words anyway, the letter is the contract. The kid can tell you 100 times that hes in but until its printed, its nothing.

2 years ago I refinanced my house, worked with 2 brokers. I informed the guy who had a rate that was off from the other guy and he literally whined and felt the need to remind me how he "went to the office on a Sunday just to accomodate me"

I told him maybe he should get out of commision work if thats how he felt.

Im a Weis "guy" and all that but 2 red flags have gone up with me now with Weis going from the pros to college- last year the whole poll complaint and talking about Florida eating cheeseburgers etc etc and now this thing with recruiting.

There seems to be a trend when things dont go his way then he complains about the system.

Remember Lorenzo Booker? this isnt some new phenomena with commits playing games. It happens to everyone including ND coaches. Stovall was ND then switched, then Ty got him back. There are 1000 cases.

Absorb it and move on.

Hey, you know I don't shy away from what I consider Weis Mistakes and the whole POLL ordeal just showed me he doesn't understand how College Football rankings work. (which is fine for the average internet poster "the don't seem to know either" but not for the guy getting payed Millions)

But using your Saleman analogy.....yes he is selling ND....but would you take your house off the market if a guy just tells you....Yea I'm gonna buy your house but I'm going to look at a few others first...

Or would you keep your house on the market until the guy gave you money down and told you this is the house he was buying (money down = not visiting anyone else...its a committment)

I think Weis is just saying...don't tell me you are committed then go visit Michigan....go visit Michigan before you tell me you are committed

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Of the people that complain about that poll talk, very few read the transcript of have any idea of the context. Do you?

He was asked, if he thought it was right that they got jumped two spots?

He never said "No". He said, "I don't understand it". And went on to explain both of the team's situations and why it didn't make sense to him. He answered a question, he didn't whine, he didn't complain, he didn't say he was pissed off. Get your facts straight, no one ever seems to anymore.

I agree with all of that and I'm still disapointed in Weis...he is getting payed how much...he SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT

It wasn't rocket science,

 

[weisbankaccount]

Ok WBA- One last post, I am tired of this, but after your last comment, I take it back. You are really not very smart at all, are you. In addition to taking the hard line stance, Weis also made it clear that other teams "soft verbals etc." are fair game. This policy is exactly the policy of Les Miles at LSU, and although he won't go public with it, Urban Meyer at Florida. The policy worked out pretty well for them, did it not. Arguably the best recruiting class ever for Urban, and LSU probably third after USC. So if you think that this policy will "hurt ND in the future", you really do not know what you are talking about in light of what is actually happening out there. My bad, I gave you more credit than you deserve.

For all this intelligent/unintelligent crap I supposidely do, all you seem to do is throw this stuff around.......

I dont believe in that system, no.

I think you sell your school, program etc. and if the kid commits, then you take it for what it is and do what you need to do. If youre worried about the commitment then keep recruiting the position........

What in life is guaranteed? Even if you throw in these hard line rules, it isnt bound by anything. The kid can still sign with someone else at signing day and you cant do anything about it.

If Urban Meyer does this, wasnt Armando Allen a strong Florida lean? Is Urban gonna chase him down with a lead pipe?

To me ND lost the sale. Firing Minter was right but you have to consider that some of these guys were recruited by Minter and then he was gone. Weis should've expected the Trattou possibility.

It was well documented that the 2 Littles were wishy-washy all along. You have to plan for that.

All this said, I love the class, I think it is superstar city in the near future.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

That is a fair question, and the only excuse that Weis can have is that he had never been a college coach before, and did not realize how cut throat it is out there. However, you are right he should have realized that after last year, and probably should have been more cut throat this year, he was most likely trying to take the high road still, and ended up getting somewhat burnt because of it. Lessons learned, and it's time to go forward.

It wasn't Ianello's first or second year...I'm sure the guys around him new how cutthroat it was....

Look I'm not upset with Weis for taking 2 years to learn this...I'm just using it as an example on why I'm not sold on Charlie Weis yet...IMO he has a long way to go and a lot to learn about being a Head FB coach and being one in College...

Things like telling the players Michigan is just another game no different than Stanford, not understanding the polls...not being prepared for passing teams, lack of adjustments, not pulling a single upset....and so on..

I think the guy is a good hire and could become a great coach....but right now I don't think he is there

 

[weisbankaccount]

Hey, you know I don't shy away from what I consider Weis Mistakes and the whole POLL ordeal just showed me he doesn't understand how College Football rankings work. (which is fine for the average internet poster "the don't seem to know either" but not for the guy getting payed Millions)

But using your Saleman analogy.....yes he is selling ND....but would you take your house off the market if a guy just tells you....Yea I'm gonna buy your house but I'm going to look at a few others first...

Or would you keep your house on the market until the guy gave you money down and told you this is the house he was buying (money down = not visiting anyone else...its a committment)

I think Weis is just saying...don't tell me you are committed then go visit Michigan....go visit Michigan before you tell me you are committed

Yes, I agree 100% - look at my last post - I think a lot of these commits did visit everyone else and then verbal to ND didnt they? I think after Minter was fired it was fair game for D recruits to reopen and look. Thats fair isnt it?

And speaking of, the Minter firing, Im a huge ND fan and literally had to investigate the fact that Minter was fired. It literally took 2 weeks to confirm it all. That was a big mistake in my estimation. How is it so vague that he was fired right in the critical part of recruiting? Not fair to Minter recruits and not fair to Corwin Brown getting footing.

 

[rockne19]

there is a article on another site about g.little and the unc staff played us if this is true
well i have been told i cant bash recruits . is it okay say what site?

 

[Jason Pham]

there is a article on another site about g.little and the unc staff played us if this is true
well i have been told i cant bash recruits . is it okay say what site?

To clarify, you can state your opinion on a recruit. Just use a bit of tact and class when doing so. Also, you can post the link to the site if it isn't premium content.

 

[KingAdrock99]

To clarify, you can state your opinion on a recruit. Just use a bit of tact and class when doing so. Also, you can post the link to the site if it isn't premium content.

Greg Little should be going to Michigan, that's how much scUM he is.

 

[rockne19]

its on nd nation,the greg little article

 

[KingAdrock99]

I know, when he comes here, we should BOOOOOOOOOO him!!! Oh yeah, we traded in UNC for Duke in the next couple of years. BOOOOOOOOOOOO to the schedule makers!!!