Minter to be Fired as DC along with oliver and polian

[irishfan1122]

minter was let go before the last game, he stayed on to coach the bowl game

weis started informing recruits about it last week before the AA game

thats what cost us edwards, martin, and donald all of which were being recruited by Minter

its going to hurt us for D in this recruiting cycle, but in the long run its important to get a good coordinator, just look what ron english did for michigan

i believe the announcement is coming thursday, sounds like 3 coaches were let go, Minter for sure, then i would guess both oliver and polian

not sure who the new guy will be but i heard weis was looking at assistant coaches from the giants, browns, and jags

we will see

 

[Jason Pham]

Rivals has Bernie Parmalee as recruiting Edwards.

 

[solo]

Minter, Polian, Oliver, and Lewis...take your pick.

 

[brownkj002]

Rivals has Bernie Parmalee as recruiting Edwards.

I believe that BP recruits FL as well.

 

[NDOM]

minter was let go before the last game, he stayed on to coach the bowl game

weis started informing recruits about it last week before the AA game

thats what cost us edwards, martin, and donald all of which were being recruited by Minter

its going to hurt us for D in this recruiting cycle, but in the long run its important to get a good coordinator, just look what ron english did for michigan

i believe the announcement is coming thursday, sounds like 3 coaches were let go, Minter for sure, then i would guess both oliver and polian

not sure who the new guy will be but i heard weis was looking at assistant coaches from the giants, browns, and jags

we will see

Not that I'm pissed off about this but it almost sounds too good to be true yet at the same time it makes sense to me. Do you have any validity about this irishfan?

 

[irishfan1122]

there is no website or article, but its for real. One of the players lived next door to me in naptown and he plays defense. Its legit boys

 

[NDOM]

there is no website or article, but its for real. One of the players lived next door to me in naptown and he plays defense. Its legit boys

Irishfan1122 You have brought me the best news I have heard in a VERY long time. You da man!

 

[sblxdoc]

there is no website or article, but its for real. One of the players lived next door to me in naptown and he plays defense. Its legit boys

Wow...that's big. I hope your right. Can you tell us who the player is?

 

[Jason Pham]

Well I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope this holds up.

 

[Junkhead]

We can only hope!

 

[Aerosmith777]

If its really true that Minter leaving is what cost them Donald, Martin, and Edwards, then I'm not as sure as everyone else that I support the firing.

Originally I'd heard that it was the bad game against LSU that lost those guys. If that were the case, then I'd support the firing b/c if Minter was both simultaneously letting his defense get pushed around on the field AND losing out on the top talent in recruiting, he deserved to get fired. But if those kids were coming into ND this year had Minter not been let go (despite the outcome in the Sugar Bowl), I think you can make an arguement he at least deserved a chance to show what he could do w/ talent like that...

Its not a huge deal, and if Charlie makes the right hire it could definetely help them in the long run, but if that really is the reason those 3 guys committed elsewhere then I'd say firing Minter is not the slam-dunk right move some are making it out to be...

And btw, as someone who watches the Giants every Sunday, NO ONE from the Giant's current staff deserves to be the coordinator over Minter! Tim Lewis' defense is a CARBON COPY of Minter's! Same stupid never-blitzing, way-too-conservative Cover 2.

 

[irishfan1122]

there aren't many guys from Indianapolis on the team guys, come on now. This is Notre Dame football, use your brains, not tosu

 

[irishfan1122]

NOT A HUGE DEAL!!!!!!??????? are you smoking something? This is huge whether you like the decision or not. What if zo, donald, and ben martin dont' work out? There is too many what if's in recruiting. He had to do something. Lose 3 guys short term or gain more potential in the future. I like the future choice

 

[Aerosmith777]

You misunderstood what I meant. I mean I'm not sure its the right decision, but its not a huge deal if its not b/c I agree that there is a pretty good arguement to be made that Minter deserved to lose his job. I don't mean it won't have an impact, just that its not to me the slam-dunk right move some seem to think it is.

What if Zo, Donald, and Martin were all he needed to turn the defense into a top 5 unit? That's my point. If those kids were coming, despite ND getting killed in the Sugar Bowl and the defense looking atrocious at times, I think you can make an arguement he deserved a chance to show what he could do w/ them. If all that's true, I just don't think this is the slam-dunk right move its being made out to be. Especially since we don't even know who he's being replaced with. Like I said, if it's Tim Lewis (who will probly be looking for a job in a few days whether Coughlin is fired or not) I don't think it is an upgrade what-so-ever. So if it is, they lost 3 great prospects and STILL have a crappy coordinator.

 

[goldenechoes]

there aren't many guys from Indianapolis on the team guys, come on now. This is Notre Dame football, use your brains, not tosu

In fact I think there is only one.

 

[Jason Pham]

I'd rather miss out on three studs put out of position than the current players we have now given a chance to make the pays under a better coach.

 

[irishfan1122]

they are studs in high school. Ron Pawlus, need i say more????

 

[sblxdoc]

In fact I think there is only one.

Pat Kuntz

 

[Ant4NDIrish]

You misunderstood what I meant. I mean I'm not sure its the right decision, but its not a huge deal if its not b/c I agree that there is a pretty good arguement to be made that Minter deserved to lose his job. I don't mean it won't have an impact, just that its not to me the slam-dunk right move some seem to think it is.

What if Zo, Donald, and Martin were all he needed to turn the defense into a top 5 unit? That's my point. If those kids were coming, despite ND getting killed in the Sugar Bowl and the defense looking atrocious at times, I think you can make an arguement he deserved a chance to show what he could do w/ them. If all that's true, I just don't think this is the slam-dunk right move its being made out to be. Especially since we don't even know who he's being replaced with. Like I said, if it's Tim Lewis (who will probly be looking for a job in a few days whether Coughlin is fired or not) I don't think it is an upgrade what-so-ever. So if it is, they lost 3 great prospects and STILL have a crappy coordinator.

Donald made his decision (first of December), Zo because of academics (1 yr layoff at ND), so I don't believe any of this we had them but now because of the firing we don't.

 

[Aerosmith777]

How many upper-classmen on the defense they have now were studs at any level of their football careers? Especially in the linebacking core and defensive line?

I'm not saying its not the right move, simply b/c I've never been a huge fan of Minter's scheme, but don't make it out to be like he had a defense full of 5 & 4-star prospects that he couldn't coach. He had a bunch of guys who were mostly 2 & 3-star guys, at other positions, playing a defense they weren't suited for personnel-wise. Give Minter a couple of big, fast linebackers, TWO legitmate pass-rushers on the line (as opposed to 1 who got double-team literally on every passing play all year) and at least one true Free Safety (not a weakside linebacker playing safety, a true Free Safety who can actually cover) and we'd have a better way to evaluate whether he can or can't coach.

The biggest arguement you can make w/ him is he didn't change his scheme despite how apparent it was that his personnel didn't fit what he was trying to do. But if Martin, Donald, and Edwards really were coming to South Bend, along w/ Wall & McnNeil from last year and Gray this year, you can't say he wasn't bringing in the kids who were suited to what he was trying to do on defense. Now, maybe it still wouldn't of worked even if he'd stuck around another 2 years and developed them, and I'm willing to concede that is very very possible. But the point is, now we'll never know for sure AND there's 3 less great prospects coming to Notre Dame next year.

Again, could still turn out to be the right move, but I don't believe its the slam dunk its being made out to be.

 

[Aerosmith777]

Donald made his decision (first of December), Zo because of academics (1 yr layoff at ND), so I don't believe any of this we had them but now because of the firing we don't.

Now if that's true, then that's a horse of a different color as they say. If the defense was getting pushed around on the field AND these kids weren't coming regardless, then I'm a lot more comfortable w/ the decision to let him go.

 

[Jason Pham]

How many upper-classmen on the defense they have now were studs at any level of their football careers? Especially in the linebacking core and defensive line?

I'm not saying its not the right move, simply b/c I've never been a huge fan of Minter's scheme, but don't make it out to be like he had a defense full of 5 & 4-star prospects that he couldn't coach. He had a bunch of guys who were mostly 2 & 3-star guys, at other positions, playing a defense they weren't suited for personnel-wise. Give Minter a couple of big, fast linebackers, TWO legitmate pass-rushers on the line (as opposed to 1 who got double-team literally on every passing play all year) and at least one true Free Safety (not a weakside linebacker playing safety, a true Free Safety who can actually cover) and we'd have a better way to evaluate whether he can or can't coach.

The biggest arguement you can make w/ him is he didn't change his scheme despite how apparent it was that his personnel didn't fit what he was trying to do. But if Martin, Donald, and Edwards really were coming to South Bend, along w/ Wall & McnNeil from last year and Gray this year, you can't say he wasn't bringing in the kids who were suited to what he was trying to do on defense. Now, maybe it still wouldn't of worked even if he'd stuck around another 2 years and developed them, and I'm willing to concede that is very very possible. But the point is, now we'll never know for sure AND there's 3 less great prospects coming to Notre Dame next year.

Again, could still turn out to be the right move, but I don't believe its the slam dunk its being made out to be.

I think the main argument being made is when Weis and company came in, the offense turned around and improved dramatically while the defense did not.

 

[TexasNDFan]

This is awesome news. Now we need coaches that will bring defensive excellence.

 

[FleaFlicker]

The kids weren't coming guys. Donald had made his decision far before Minter would have been laid off, he even said he was a "Tennessee Boy" when he selected.

Edwards was told he had to do a year in Rome if he wanted to do Architecture. He wouldn't have to do that at Florida. That probably cost us him. Really, I don't think Minter would have brought either of those guys if he stayed/stays.

 

[Ant4NDIrish]

The kids weren't coming guys. Donald had made his decision far before Minter would have been laid off, he even said he was a "Tennessee Boy" when he selected.

Edwards was told he had to do a year in Rome if he wanted to do Architecture. He wouldn't have to do that at Florida. That probably cost us him. Really, I don't think Minter would have brought either of those guys if he stayed/stays.

I just posted that 3 or 4 post before you and I agree with you 100%.

 

[portlaNDgal]

Great news

Great news

I'm glad we're trying someone new on D and special teams. Even given the talent gap, I think we regressed too much from last year to give Minter or Polian another shot. Here's hoping the new staff are a big step up.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'm glad we're trying someone new on D and special teams. Even given the talent gap, I think we regressed too much from last year to give Minter or Polian another shot. Here's hoping the new staff are a big step up.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Jason Pham]

It was pointed out that WNDU has Weis saying that the conference is not to fire coaches. Thoughts?

 

[leprechaun4life]

It was pointed out that WNDU has Weis saying that the conference is not to fire coaches. Thoughts?

Right, its to hire coaches. What other reason would he have to call a press conference? Its a week after the Sugar Bowl, he can't talk about recruiting, I doubt he would call a conference to say who would come for a 5th year. THe only other thing would be to say he is retiring or taking a new job.

 

[portlaNDgal]

It was pointed out that WNDU has Weis saying that the conference is not to fire coaches. Thoughts?

My thoughts?

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Unless the conference is to HIRE coaches, since firing has already occurred??? Or the coaches have "left to pursue other opportunities" or "spend more time with their families"?:makeadeal