Less Impressed w/ Weis by the day

[weisbankaccount]

When nobody had film on ND, last year, we were "innovative" and "exciting" - now its down to predictable and stale. LSU made adjustments at the half and easily shut down ND and in addition, made easy work of ND.

Even Terry Bradshaw commented "if youre down 41-14 and throw a 1 yard pass, you might as well get the young guys in"

Its draw, bubble screen, slant.

Of course on defense - same old story - get a reciever down field and air it out and youre sure to get yourself 2-3 50+ yard TDs against the ND defense.

Outcoached by Les Miles. Fantastic job guys.

The fake punt was as dumb a call as Ive seen. Down 7 already and you give them a 20 yard field? Good Lord. Ever heard the expression "you cant win a game in the first half but you can sure lose a game in the first half."

After ND tied it at 14, who didnt just know for sure LSU was gonna pop a quick 7 up there before half? It was almost scripted in my book. Good ole Zibby in hot pursuit of a guy 8 yards behind him - per the usual.

In 4 weeks prep, with an opponent everybody knew was better, there was NOTHING new in the ND arsenal. We ran on them in the first half at will - 2nd half Walker gets 3 yards after a 125 first half.

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

 

[Sweeney6083]

That is the worst post I have seen in along time. It's a shame SVO isn't here anymore to take you off this site. You need to do a little more homework or find time to live in reality. Maybe your a new fan and your not well rounded in how college football works. You see there are more then 100 division one football teams. Each going after there home state kids, which if you haven't noticed like to play in there home state. Also, how dare you assume that you have more coaching knowledge then a man who can wear three superbowl rings whenever he wants and that only counts the ones that he was OC for.
Why do you think we lost that last bowl game, because we were outcoached, because they had a pretty good team with bigger players and faster players. we played the best we could but there was no way unless LSU played poorly we would have won, I don't care if Knute was coaching. I just find it hard to belive that after all the great things Charlie has done in his first coaching job that you might show some restraint, yes we havn't beaten any top 5 teams but either have alot of people , thats why there top 5 teams. Please show some refrain before you come into a ND site and bash the head coach, it makes no sense.

 

[IrishSanDiego]

I dont blame Weis, he is running the plays that best fit our offensive players. We cant use a lot of power running plays because the o-lineman arent skilled enough, Walker doesnt have that burst or get yards after contact, and we dont have a fullback.
Once LSU made an adjustment to keep contain, they stopped us. Weis tried a couple times in the second half, but we were down by 14 when we got the ball. The run was stopped a couple times and we had to pass to catch up.
The punt call was bad, but was it Weis who called it, or did Travis Thomas have the option to audible into it based on the defense? I think in the Penn State game the option was TT's, I'm assuming it would be here too.

 

[IrishFanDC]

Mr. Sweeney,

I really didn't see much wrong with Weisbank's post. Little bits of it were truth. Besides, if everyone agreed on these forums what fun would it be? If you had no one to argue or vent to about the coach and what a douche you think he is, more than half of all message boards would close.

Just take it in stride, eh?

 

[FleaFlicker]

When nobody had film on ND, last year, we were "innovative" and "exciting" - now its down to predictable and stale. LSU made adjustments at the half and easily shut down ND and in addition, made easy work of ND.

Even Terry Bradshaw commented "if youre down 41-14 and throw a 1 yard pass, you might as well get the young guys in"

Its draw, bubble screen, slant.

Of course on defense - same old story - get a reciever down field and air it out and youre sure to get yourself 2-3 50+ yard TDs against the ND defense.

Outcoached by Les Miles. Fantastic job guys.

The fake punt was as dumb a call as Ive seen. Down 7 already and you give them a 20 yard field? Good Lord. Ever heard the expression "you cant win a game in the first half but you can sure lose a game in the first half."

After ND tied it at 14, who didnt just know for sure LSU was gonna pop a quick 7 up there before half? It was almost scripted in my book. Good ole Zibby in hot pursuit of a guy 8 yards behind him - per the usual.

In 4 weeks prep, with an opponent everybody knew was better, there was NOTHING new in the ND arsenal. We ran on them in the first half at will - 2nd half Walker gets 3 yards after a 125 first half.

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

Bad post, not because of your opinion, but because you simply are getting some things wrong. I'll point them out.

1. The 250 yards that ND had on offense was by far the most against LSU this year in one half. The 292 yards for the game was the third most against LSU all year. Only Arkansas and Alabama had more. Also, tell Jeff to look up. If he catches that pass that hits him in the head, ND has 21 points in the first half, and 280+ yards of offense. Sounds pretty good to me. You think Bo Pelini had us pegged at the beginning? No way. He adjusted well in the second half, and our players didn't play like they were.

2. The fake punt was on the first drive, we weren't down a touchdown already, and we gave them a 35 yard field, not a 20 yard field. What happened on the first play? Our DB's got burned again. Not much that Weis could do about that. Mintee, yes, Weis, no.

3. I agree our defense is horrible, everyone does. But a defensive coordinator is also responsible for that. Just don't bach our offense, it was the best LSU has seen all year in the first half. It wasn't in the second half.

4. We aren't an elite team yet, obviously. But we have extremely less talent than the three teams that whomped us this year. And poor coaching on the defensive side of the ball.

For instance, despite our horrible output on offense in the second half, and the horrible dropped passes, we still would have won the game if we would have had the defense of either Florida or Auburn. Who held LSU to 10 and 3 points, respectively.

 

[marv81s]

When nobody had film on ND, last year, we were "innovative" and "exciting" - now its down to predictable and stale. LSU made adjustments at the half and easily shut down ND and in addition, made easy work of ND.

Even Terry Bradshaw commented "if youre down 41-14 and throw a 1 yard pass, you might as well get the young guys in"

Its draw, bubble screen, slant.

Of course on defense - same old story - get a reciever down field and air it out and youre sure to get yourself 2-3 50+ yard TDs against the ND defense.

Outcoached by Les Miles. Fantastic job guys.

The fake punt was as dumb a call as Ive seen. Down 7 already and you give them a 20 yard field? Good Lord. Ever heard the expression "you cant win a game in the first half but you can sure lose a game in the first half."

After ND tied it at 14, who didnt just know for sure LSU was gonna pop a quick 7 up there before half? It was almost scripted in my book. Good ole Zibby in hot pursuit of a guy 8 yards behind him - per the usual.

In 4 weeks prep, with an opponent everybody knew was better, there was NOTHING new in the ND arsenal. We ran on them in the first half at will - 2nd half Walker gets 3 yards after a 125 first half.

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

Your a f'n idiot, go back to the espn boards where your trolling/flamming ass belongs. If your too dumb to see that Weis was running the plays that fit his current players, then nobody can help you here.

Another shining example of what the guys that have been on this board for a while mean when they say that IE has gone downhill.

 

[Aerosmith777]

I'd be shocked if Travis Thomas audibled into a fake punt in the Sugar Bowl. If he even had the option, Charlie must've given it to him before the play. And if he did, Charlie MUST'VE known the (offensive) player will make that audible 100 times out of 100.

Honestly, I don't know if I'd say Charlie was "outcoached," b/c when you have a team that has maybe 4 players that would start for the other team and you're only down 21-14 at the half, that's a pretty decent coaching job if you ask me. I wouldn't say he coached a gem either though. He didn't trust his defense enough, ironically. Should've gone to the well more w/ Darius in the second half. The fake punt was a bad call.

And you wonder why Charlie calls so many slants, screens, and draws? Has it occurred to you that maybe it's b/c Notre Dame is a lot slower than most everybody else? Those screens and draws keep the defense on their heels so they can't pin their ears back and rush the passer, and for about 2.5 quarters it worked great. A defense that has players twice the size and twice as fast as most of ND's players couldn't apply pressure on the QB or stop the run.

Lets see what he does when Armando Allen, Jimmy Clausen, Duval Kumara, and all those offensive linemen are sophomores and juniors before we crucify him.

 

[sblxdoc]

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

USC, Ohio St., Florida, Michigan, and LSU I will agree are elite teams that we couldn't hang with right now. Anyone else, we would be fine. In regards to his saving grace, just look what he has done over the last 2 years. CW is solid and he will back up his talk with "his" recruits. Why did this team digress from last? I don't know, but it was self evident after the first game against Gtech and became obvious after Michigan. This team for whatever reason did not have the fire and urgency that lasts years team had. Maybe the wins last year and the close call with SC was on pure adrenaline. But whatever it was, it wore off quickly after the bowl game with Ohio St.

I definitely and not one bit concerned with the direction that CW is taking this team.

 

[NDChatt]

When nobody had film on ND, last year, we were "innovative" and "exciting" - now its down to predictable and stale. LSU made adjustments at the half and easily shut down ND and in addition, made easy work of ND.

Even Terry Bradshaw commented "if youre down 41-14 and throw a 1 yard pass, you might as well get the young guys in"

Its draw, bubble screen, slant.

Of course on defense - same old story - get a reciever down field and air it out and youre sure to get yourself 2-3 50+ yard TDs against the ND defense.

Outcoached by Les Miles. Fantastic job guys.

The fake punt was as dumb a call as Ive seen. Down 7 already and you give them a 20 yard field? Good Lord. Ever heard the expression "you cant win a game in the first half but you can sure lose a game in the first half."

After ND tied it at 14, who didnt just know for sure LSU was gonna pop a quick 7 up there before half? It was almost scripted in my book. Good ole Zibby in hot pursuit of a guy 8 yards behind him - per the usual.

In 4 weeks prep, with an opponent everybody knew was better, there was NOTHING new in the ND arsenal. We ran on them in the first half at will - 2nd half Walker gets 3 yards after a 125 first half.

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

The fake punt was on our first drive and the score was 0-0. Did you watch the game?

 

[BleedinOrange]

Your a f'n idiot, go back to the espn boards where your trolling/flamming ass belongs. If your too dumb to see that Weis was running the plays that fit his current players, then nobody can help you here.

Another shining example of what the guys that have been on this board for a while mean when they say that IE has gone downhill.

You guys are rediculous once again. He stated his opinion and because you don't like ti you get very angry and call him a troll. These boards are made for people to come and state their opinion. And guys like you, if you don't agree bash the and call them names and stuff like that. Have a little class fellas......

 

[NDChatt]

You guys are rediculous once again. He stated his opinion and because you don't like ti you get very angry and call him a troll. These boards are made for people to come and state their opinion. And guys like you, if you don't agree bash the and call them names and stuff like that. Have a little class fellas......

I have no problem with his opinion, but he does need to check his facts before make such opinions.

 

[BleedinOrange]

Your a f'n idiot, go back to the espn boards where your trolling/flamming ass belongs. If your too dumb to see that Weis was running the plays that fit his current players, then nobody can help you here.

Another shining example of what the guys that have been on this board for a while mean when they say that IE has gone downhill.

I have no problem with his opinion, but he does need to check his facts before make such opinions.

I agree with that but to bash the rest of his opinions like others do is very unclassy.....

 

[nd1]

When nobody had film on ND, last year, we were "innovative" and "exciting" - now its down to predictable and stale. LSU made adjustments at the half and easily shut down ND and in addition, made easy work of ND.

Even Terry Bradshaw commented "if youre down 41-14 and throw a 1 yard pass, you might as well get the young guys in"

Its draw, bubble screen, slant.

Of course on defense - same old story - get a reciever down field and air it out and youre sure to get yourself 2-3 50+ yard TDs against the ND defense.

Outcoached by Les Miles. Fantastic job guys.

The fake punt was as dumb a call as Ive seen. Down 7 already and you give them a 20 yard field? Good Lord. Ever heard the expression "you cant win a game in the first half but you can sure lose a game in the first half."

After ND tied it at 14, who didnt just know for sure LSU was gonna pop a quick 7 up there before half? It was almost scripted in my book. Good ole Zibby in hot pursuit of a guy 8 yards behind him - per the usual.

In 4 weeks prep, with an opponent everybody knew was better, there was NOTHING new in the ND arsenal. We ran on them in the first half at will - 2nd half Walker gets 3 yards after a 125 first half.

I would say, at this point, the only saving grace is the incoming recruit class, other than that, ND is far behind the elite teams, and Id even say far behind the boise's and Arkansas' and even maybe a BYU and any other passing team in the fringe top 20.

You have got to be kidding around because I don't think anyone that knows anything about football would think this. charlie w. has only won 19 games with a team that very horrible the year before he got here. He's done a good job. He's won the games he was supposed to win and every team that has beaten him has been an elite program. When he took the job everyone knew it would take time to turn it around and some of these part time fans don't realize the job he's done.All these fans are only happy win need to go pull for anther team, because next year isn't going to be any better.It takes time to turn a program around and some fans don't understand this.

 

[grantland]

Forget how screwed up Bank's facts were, for two years now Weis has had to fend off rumors that he is going to the NFL. But he he is not a good coach?

Gimme a break, that was no opinion, it was a straight up flame. Flames deserve to be met with at least as much wrath as displayed above.

Svo must have sold this site!

 

[weisbankaccount]

Yeah, yeah, Im a "f'in idiot" because Im not stirring a vat of kool- aid after that debacle. What is it this time? "If we didnt give up those 2 long passes and wouldve caught the break with the would be LSU fumble it wouldve been a game?" Just like the the USC and Michigan games that were debacles in every sense of the word.

Lol, too bad the mod couldnt kick me off? For what? because I couldnt find some moral victory to latch onto and turn that piece of crap into a ray of sunshine? Great, it was 14-14 for a while......walker ran decent.....yeah, and then after that the score was 27-0.

LSU adjusted, that wasnt obvious? What did ND do?

0-0 or 7-0 - whatever - the fake punt was the dumbest damn thing I ever saw.

LSU was 122-20 in the first quarter against teams this year and what does ND do? Fake punt from the 20 in the first quarter.

To the morons - my fricken handle has Weis in it, Im obviously a Weis supporter but I, and Im damn sure he, would call this ugly pig of a game exactly what it was.

The UM game.....maybe a fluke....but then USC, and then LSU - all 3 were complete and utter routs any way its sliced.

I cant believe somebody justified the offense ND put up against LSU - it was 14 points. Period. Under 300 yards for a game is garbage for anybody. Who cares what ND had in a half? it was a blowout loss.

By all accounts, Les Miles isnt a great coach, but if you say he didnt come out in the 2nd half was a 10x better plan than weis, then its koolaid all day.

 

[marv81s]

I agree with that but to bash the rest of his opinions like others do is very unclassy.....

Its even less classy to post something for the sole purpose to flame, and that is the only reason why this thread was created by the troll. I don't mind opinions that have something close resembling some reasonable thought, his worthless ramble was to flame. That is what the espn message board was for, now people like him and Brady Quinn come on here to flame.

 

[weisbankaccount]

lol, troll?

I know the deal over here - drink the juice or get the f out.

The game was crap, and Weis did a poor job. where did I flame? I criticized his play calling and his lack of adjustments - along with that defense who gets torched for long balls more than any other ND team Ive seen in 25 years.

Please somebody defend that performance. The talking heads said it would be a 4 TD rout and it was a 4 TD rout.

 

[rontdtarchala]

I have posted for quite some time now...please people let folks give their opinions. You people are not God or judge...If what you like isn't stated you freak........we looked like crap and we played like crap.....that's all. hopefully we will be better soon for now we are not....stop acting like skunkbear fans that can't possibly be wrong and damn anyone that disagrees. To many of us are extremely disallusionall.....

 

[rontdtarchala]

And another thing, I'm not a prude, I like seeing babes as much as the next guy but can I please get that from a porn site...last I heard this was a site for intellegent conversation concerning notre dame football...this site has gone straight in the commode

 

[weisbankaccount]

I have posted for quite some time now...please people let folks give their opinions. You people are not God or judge...If what you like isn't stated you freak........we looked like crap and we played like crap.....that's all. hopefully we will be better soon for now we are not....stop acting like skunkbear fans that can't possibly be wrong and damn anyone that disagrees. To many of us are extremely disallusionall.....

The game was very bad. Quinn overshoots open receivers for 2 drives then "settles down" when its already climb out of the hole time. Against average teams, ND gets away with that, against elite teams, its see-ya. Why this trend with Quinn starting these big games 3 for 10ish? It happened vs GT, MSU, Mich,UCLA, USC, and LSU.

 

[IrishOrange]

You guys are rediculous once again. He stated his opinion and because you don't like ti you get very angry and call him a troll. These boards are made for people to come and state their opinion. And guys like you, if you don't agree bash the and call them names and stuff like that. Have a little class fellas......

wow, a Notre Dame fan who can take constructive criticism without snarling and barking like a hungry dog whose bone got stolen by a kitten.....Here's to ya, Brady

 

[Junkhead]

ND didn't play that great, D stunk, and coaching adjustments didn't help. As far as I'm concerned, we are headed in the right direction. Winning so many games in the past 2 years and making the BCS bowls makes us think we are better than we actually are. Either way, I don't see anything to argue.

 

[username]

I am in total agreement with Weisbankaccount on this one except for one point - the fake punt. I thought it was a great call, and everyone here would have thought it was a great call had it had worked. It was a risk only a true champion would take. It failed, and now all the simpletons have the hindsight to judge the call.

 

[rontdtarchala]

AS has been said by many on this site we have beaten the teams we should have....thats player talent or lack there of...beating teams that have more talent is coaching that has been lacking up to this point...people need to get a reality check...and also momentum as lou holtz stated several times this year is very important...you cannot come out flat and expect to get behind and win on a consistent basis...again that is coaching....CW will learn the difference in coaching kids compared to pro players...it needs to happen quickly!

 

[weisbankaccount]

The fake punt was a terrible call because of these reasons:

1. It was the first drive of the damn game.
2. ND was deep in ND territory - try that around the 50 for gods sake.
3. It was 4th and 4 - not 4th and 1.
4. LSU outscored opps 122-20 in the 1st quarter this season, let them work for the damn points.
5. if it wouldve worked - youve got 1st and 10 at your own 30........so what?

 

[Jason Pham]

wow, a Notre Dame fan who can take constructive criticism without snarling and barking like a hungry dog whose bone got stolen by a kitten.....Here's to ya, Brady

Psst. FYI, He's not an Irish fan.

 

[username]

The fake punt was a terrible call because of these reasons:

1. It was the first drive of the damn game.
2. ND was deep in ND territory - try that around the 50 for gods sake.
3. It was 4th and 4 - not 4th and 1.
4. LSU outscored opps 122-20 in the 1st quarter this season, let them work for the damn points.
5. if it wouldve worked - youve got 1st and 10 at your own 30........so what?

1. It showed guts and agressive in-your-face game planning
2. It showed guts. High risk, high reward
3. It showed guts. See #2 above.
4. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
5. If it wouldve worked, we have the ball, the momentum, and the statement.

 

[Aaronl]

fire minter!

 

[Junkhead]

I didn't think the fake punt was a great idea, but had it worked and they went on to score, everyone would be going on about how great it was. It was risky obviously.

 

[rontdtarchala]

I just think at that point in the game the risk was too high...our d hasn't been the most productive this year and why put them with their backs against the wall right off the bat...