Navy Post Game

[philipm31]

ND vs USC:

ND was 6-3-1 in their first ten games vs USC in LA.

ND outscored USC by 51 points over those ten games, as well.

It is just a convenient, albeit terribly inaccurate, excuse, based entirely on superstition, not actual facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame%E2%80%93USC_football_rivalry#The_early_years:_1926.E2.80.931940s

 

[kmoose]

Did you SEE the Irish travel in FIRST CLASS to Clemson? They are coddled as fvck.

The entire team did not travel first class. There are only ~34 First Class seats on a 747, which is what I think I remember them flying in. Figure the coaches and staff(trainers, SID, Team Doctor, etc)get first crack at First Class, and there are probably at least 30 of them. That doesn't leave a ton of First Class seats left open for players.

 

[philipm31]

If you think you cannot train your body to adjust its sleeping patterns, and that coaches and players are not aware of that, then that is on the coaching staff and player for not preparing properly, whether they are pro athletes or not.

It is a mental block, not an actual fact.

And why do you think that they kick off at 12ET? So players are NOT tired AF.

BTW, is that why Auburn nearly lost to JSU, even though they were both from the same state? No. It is because Auburn is AWFUL.

Is that why USC shredded Auburn by so little in 2003? No, it was because USC was not affected by the travel, even though it was three time zones away.

 

[philipm31]

Home field advantage: The facts and the fiction | The University of Chicago Booth School of Business

Suggestion 2
Travel is tough on players, causing underperformance—FICTION

The theory is that changes such as adjusting to time-zone shifts and sleeping away from home disrupt players’ rhythm and cause them to underperform. But this theory doesn’t hold much water either. Moskowitz and Wertheim note that even when teams play “away” in their own city—examples include the Lakers versus the Clippers, both of Los Angeles (in basketball), or the Rangers versus the Islanders, both of New York (in hockey)—home-field advantage persists. According to the travel theory, home-team advantage should diminish in these cases, but it doesn’t.

 

[philipm31]

Also, ND has to travel farther distances than many teams do in a season anyway, so they should be more than acclimated to that kind of routine; and the coaches should be as well.

You CAN train your body to get rest and change sleeping patterns. And if college students are used to being in bed at 9am, then they are not college student-athletes; they are just your average student who stayed up late and got up at 11am on a Saturday.

 

[Irish#1]

Also, ND has to travel farther distances than many teams do in a season anyway, so they should be more than acclimated to that kind of routine; and the coaches should be as well.

You CAN train your body to get rest and change sleeping patterns. And if college students are used to being in bed at 9am, then they are not college student-athletes; they are just your average student who stayed up late and got up at 11am on a Saturday.

Sure you can train your body to adjust sleeping patterns, but it doesn't happen overnight or even within a couple of days. A lot of colleges like the pros spend a lot of money on the ancillary things looking for a competitive advantage. If this was so easy to do, then every team would do it.

 

[theclassickiller]

If you think you cannot train your body to adjust its sleeping patterns, and that coaches and players are not aware of that, then that is on the coaching staff and player for not preparing properly, whether they are pro athletes or not.

It is a mental block, not an actual fact.

And why do you think that they kick off at 12ET? So players are NOT tired AF.

BTW, is that why Auburn nearly lost to JSU, even though they were both from the same state? No. It is because Auburn is AWFUL.

Is that why USC shredded Auburn by so little in 2003? No, it was because USC was not affected by the travel, even though it was three time zones away.

Dude, your arguments make no sense.

You can post as many "scientific" articles as you'd like, but the fact is that athletes believe it messes with their bodies, and no scientist is going to change that. It is what it is, you vehemently arguing your side with points that make literally no sense isn't going to change it.

And seriously, you're going to say USC was not affected at all by travel? Are you some kind of sage that knows everything normal humans can't possibly know? Who's to say USC doesn't win 30-0 if they play in California? I'm stunned and amazed at your arguments.

 

[kmoose]

Don't be so blind. I'm not going to take the time to find it, but there have been several posts on the internet that shows the lack of success west coast teams have playing in the eastern time zone. You're asking teams to change their routine and start their day three hours earlier than normal. You can't go to bed three hours early and magically fall asleep because you play three hours early. Your body just doesn't work that way.

Actually, you can. When I was in the military, we kept all kinds of crazy, ever-changing hours. You *can* adjust your schedule to be able to be reasonably well rested. Getting up earlier and having harder workouts will help you to get to sleep at a reasonable time to get enough rest. It usually takes a couple of days for it to really kick in, but it's not all that hard.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Actually, you can. When I was in the military, we kept all kinds of crazy, ever-changing hours. You *can* adjust your schedule to be able to be reasonably well rested. Getting up earlier and having harder workouts will help you to get to sleep at a reasonable time to get enough rest. It usually takes a couple of days for it to really kick in, but it's not all that hard.

You absolutely can, but college sports and military performance are two different beasts. The military tests your ability to stay focused and alert over long periods of time. College sports is much more about fine tuning your body to perform at it's peak for 3-4 hours. You *can* make adjustments, but it makes it more difficult to hit *optimal* performance.

 

[kmoose]

You absolutely can, but college sports and military performance are two different beasts. The military tests your ability to stay focused and alert over long periods of time. College sports is much more about fine tuning your body to perform at it's peak for 3-4 hours. You *can* make adjustments, but it makes it more difficult to hit *optimal* performance.

So does partying the night before, but there is plenty of that that goes on, so I would submit that the effects of jet lag on a highly conditioned Division I football team are so negligible as to not be a factor.

 

[ND NYC]

"Jetlag?"

"We talkin' bout Jetlag?"

"Jetlag"

"Jetlag?"

 

[IrishinSyria]

So does partying the night before, but there is plenty of that that goes on, so I would submit that the effects of jet lag on a highly conditioned Division I football team are so negligible as to not be a factor.

No way. I'm not denying it goes on, but that's got to be a pretty extreme exception to the rule. The night after is a different story though.

 

[#1rish]

Navy ICON episode:

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[koonja]

MSP traffic is a mother, so I've started downloading the FREE BGI and ISD podcasts. Both great crews, love them both.

All 4 are in accord that Joe has to be sat to give someone else a chance. Speculation is that he's bleeding the defense by not doing anything, and it's hurting the middle, as well as the safety play since he's getting pushed to the 2nd level.

Some speculation on whether Elmer should be sat in lieu of Bars since Bars looked good (I personally think it's too early to do this, but I'm open to considering it depending on how this week goes). They said Bars deserves a shot based on what they saw (this was ISD). They said Martin has been OK and should keep his job, and that Mustipher is going to be a player when he gets his chance. Said Martin being 6'5" makes it tough to be a center.

Again, both ISD and BGI agree that defense is too complicated and it causes the team to be slow (yet again, Longo escapes blame). Furthermore, unlike Clemson who focuses on ripping the ball out, our defense is so worried about getting in the right spot and knowing their difficult schemes that there's just not enough focus on ripping the ball/attacking the ball.

Another thing ISD mentioned is that if we're going to continue to pound Rochelle and Day with snaps, they're very concerned about keeping them fresh and healthy. The did a 3 minute segment asking why Jay Hayes isn't playing and said if you don't like Jay Hayes, fine, but do it to save Day. Which I completely agree with. You're hurting Day by refusing to play Hayes.

I'm not here to rip on Joe. My take away is BVG might be causing the lack of turnovers and the need for guys like Joe.

1.5 years in - what exactly do you guys think BVG has done well?

I don't like that we're an 'attacking defense' but can't force turnovers. I like the run defense, don't love it. The pass rush isn't enough IMO. And the 2ndary play has been hesitant IMO.