[NCAAF] vBook: Washington vs USC

[Classic Irish]

I'm sure the meltdown on the Trojan boards is glorious.

 

[dad4aa]

Anybody have an idea of how many times USC has lost back to back games in the past 10–20 years? For me, that is the negative side of them losing today. Not only will they come in more fired up next week, but I can't remember the last time they lost back to back games. Hopefully they come in deflated.

 

[bkess8]

Paid! HAHAHA F USC!

 

[Classic Irish]

Anybody have an idea of how many times USC has lost back to back games in the past 10–20 years? For me, that is the negative side of them losing today. Not only will they come in more fired up next week, but I can't remember the last time they lost back to back games. Hopefully they come in deflated.

2012. They lost their last three games. Earlier in 2012, they lost to Arizona and Oregon back-to-back as well. In 2010, they lost to Washington and Stanford back-to-back and later in 2010 they lost to Oregon State and ND back-to-back.

 

[Bluto]

All I can think is USC is going to have 10 days to prep for Notre Dame, will come out fired up and crush us...


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Did you watch tonight's game? I can see them easily loosing 3-4 more games (ND, Utah, UCLA and or Cal or Arizona) this season and Sarkisian getting fired if things keep trending the way they are.

If Washington had a half ass QB this game wouldn't have even been close.

 

[GATTACA!]

See, I don't know, for a few reasons

(a) Ohio State was hanging around near the top all year, after losing the opener; they didn't have to move up from 15;

Not true at all. OSU dropped all the way to #22 after they lost to VT.

(b) they also had the benefit of a conference title game (which is what critics of ND's 12 game season intentionally and, I think, dishonestly ignore as a disadvantage, not an advantage);

This is true in the case of OSU, but people forget conference championship games are also another opportunity to lose. Say for instance a 1 loss Pac-12 team gets beat by a 2 loss team in the conference championship game then that game actually helps us.

(c) Ohio State beat teams that were perceived to be good teams down the stretch (I don't agree that they were, but that was the perception, when they beat Michigan and Wisconsin (this one was a blow out)

Michigan was terrible, they were 5-7 and unranked. Wisconsin was ranked #13 and had 2 losses going into that game with OSU, that should be very similar to Stanford.

(d) Ohio State gets the benefit of the doubt because of the false perception that being from a Power 5 makes them a good team if they win the conference, plus Ohio State has a favorable rep among the cognoscenti.

The whole year everyone was ripping on the Big10, i really don't think that was some sort of advantage.

 

[tussin]

I see OSU last year had three top-25 wins and also won their conference.

Also, really? See TCU and Baylor last year. 11-1 doesn't guarantee you anything.

OSU had two top-25 wins.

TCU and Baylor didn't get in because their non-conference schedule was pathetic and borderline offensive. No one will ever say that about ND's schedule.

 

[Classic Irish]

Did you watch tonight's game? I can see them easily loosing 3-4 more games (ND, Utah, UCLA and or Cal or Arizona) this season and Sarkisian getting fired if things keep trending the way they are.

If Wasington had as half ass QB this game wouldn't have even been close.

Yep, Washington's QB is a true frosh. I'd like to think Kizer can do more damage.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Anybody have an idea of how many times USC has lost back to back games in the past 10–20 years? For me, that is the negative side of them losing today. Not only will they come in more fired up next week, but I can't remember the last time they lost back to back games. Hopefully they come in deflated.

It has happened in 95, 96, 97, 99, 2000, 01, 10, and 12.

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Column: The Sark era is a failure. Time for USC to focus on Chip Kelly <a href="http://t.co/1jSJ8d4bP0">http://t.co/1jSJ8d4bP0</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY">@USATODAY</a></p>— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/652338380081119232">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[BGIF]

OSU had two top-25 wins.

TCU and Baylor didn't get in because their non-conference schedule was pathetic and borderline offensive. No one will ever say that about ND's schedule.

You mean like ND hasn't beaten a team this year that has a winning record?

Or ND's loss is to the only team they played with a winning record?


Irishfan has been noting throughout this thread that ND needs USC and SU to have good seasons, otherwise Navy and Temple will be ND's best wins.

 

[Classic Irish]

It has happened in 95, 96, 97, 99, 2000, 01, 10, and 12.

As you'll see in my post above, they last their last three in 2012 and also lost to Arizona and Oregon back-to-back as well that year. In 2010, they lost to Washington and Stanford back-to-back and later in 2010 they lost to Oregon State and ND back-to-back. So in some years they lost back-to-back games on more than one instance.

 

[Bluto]

Yep, Washington's QB is a true frosh. I'd like to think Kizer can do more damage.

Washington had a bunch of first year starters and true freshmen all over the field as well.

 

[irishfan]

OSU had two top-25 wins.

TCU and Baylor didn't get in because their non-conference schedule was pathetic and borderline offensive. No one will ever say that about ND's schedule.

Three. MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota. TCU also played that Top-25 Minnesota team out of conference.

Baylor/TCU both have two top-25 wins and didn't get in. We are looking at one or two if we're lucky. I'm not exactly sad USC lost. I already texted one of my friends who is a USC fan rubbing it in. But, USC struggling is very bad news for us if we want to make the playoff, so tonight annoyed me.

 

[koonja]

They'll be unranked, which is fine. Let's beat them 40-10 and it's still going to look great.

 

[Classic Irish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Column: The Sark era is a failure. Time for USC to focus on Chip Kelly <a href="http://t.co/1jSJ8d4bP0">http://t.co/1jSJ8d4bP0</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY">@USATODAY</a></p>— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/652338380081119232">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I think it's highly unlikely they can Sarkisian 5 games into his second season.

 

[tussin]

You mean like ND hasn't beaten a team this year that has a winning record?

Or ND's loss is to the only team they played with a winning record?


Irishfan has been noting throughout this thread that ND needs USC and SU to have good seasons, otherwise Navy and Temple will be ND's best wins.

Uhhh no. What I mean is that a slate of SMU, Northwestern State, Buffalo, and Iowa State (Baylor's first 4) isn't comparable to Texas, UVA, Georgia Tech, and UMass.

 

[dad4aa]

2012. They lost their last three games. Earlier in 2012, they lost to Arizona and Oregon back-to-back as well. In 2010, they lost to Washington and Stanford back-to-back and later in 2010 they lost to Oregon State and ND back-to-back.

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[tussin]

Three. MSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota. TCU also played that Top-25 Minnesota team out of conference.

Baylor/TCU both have two top-25 wins and didn't get in. We are looking at one or two if we're lucky. I'm not exactly sad USC lost. I already texted one of my friends who is a USC fan rubbing it in. But, USC struggling is very bad news for us if we want to make the playoff, so tonight annoyed me.

Minnesota wasn't ranked in the AP Poll when they played or at the end of the season. That's like saying GT is an ND win over a ranked team.

 

[palinurus]

They were at or below 15 for much of the season.

You're right; I'm wrong that they were "hanging around the top" -- but they were no lower than #13 from week 6 onward, and were at #8 with three regular season games (and conference title game) left. If ND can get to #8 before the Wake Forest game, then we're in the ball park, but that's playing Navy, So Cal, Temple and Pitt before then, which aren't going to impress much, then playing Wake Forest, BC and Stanford after that, and not having a title game. I stand by my main point: ND is going to need some real help to get there with 11-1.

 

[GATTACA!]

You mean like ND hasn't beaten a team this year that has a winning record?

Or ND's loss is to the only team they played with a winning record?


Irishfan has been noting throughout this thread that ND needs USC and SU to have good seasons, otherwise Navy and Temple will be ND's best wins.

SMU
Northwestern State
Buffalo
Samford
Minnesota
SMU

Those are TCU and Baylor's OOC wins from last year. Idc how GT and USC end up finishing those five teams are a complete joke. The committee might dock us a little for SOS but at least we tried to play quality opponents.

 

[irishfan]

Minnesota wasn't ranked in the AP Poll when they played or at the end of the season. That's like saying GT is an ND win over a ranked team.

I'm going by the Playoff Committee final rankings which had Minnesota #25. So, the only one that matter for the playoffs.

 

[tussin]

SMU
Northwestern State
Buffalo
Samford
Minnesota
SMU

Those are TCU and Baylor's OOC wins from last year. Idc how GT and USC end up finishing those five teams are a complete joke. The committee might dock us a little for SOS but at least we tried to play quality opponents.

This is my takeaway. I think the committee will dock you big if you play schools that are glorified bye weeks. We have only one of those on our schedule this year (UMass, maybe Wake). Yes, Texas sucks, but you can't sleepwalk through that game.

 

[NDPhilly]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Column: The Sark era is a failure. Time for USC to focus on Chip Kelly <a href="http://t.co/1jSJ8d4bP0">http://t.co/1jSJ8d4bP0</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/USATODAY">@USATODAY</a></p>— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/652338380081119232">October 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I'm so sick of hearing these bullshit Chip Kelly rumors. Most eagles fans still support him. He's a OL away from being a contender.

 

[tussin]

I'm going by the Playoff Committee final rankings which had Minnesota #25. So, the only one that matter for the playoffs.

Fair enough. Regardless, I don't think Ohio State beating Minnesota is what caused the committee to put them in the playoff.

 

[GATTACA!]

You're right; I'm wrong that they were "hanging around the top" -- but they were no lower than #13 from week 6 onward, and were at #8 with three regular season games (and conference title game) left. If ND can get to #8 before the Wake Forest game, then we're in the ball park, but that's playing Navy, So Cal, Temple and Pitt before then, which aren't going to impress much, then playing Wake Forest, BC and Stanford after that, and not having a title game. I stand by my main point: ND is going to need some real help to get there with 11-1.

You're completely discounting attrition. So many teams have head to head matchups ahead of us that will move up regardless of who our wins are against. The only one loss teams ahead of us are Alabama and Ole Miss who both play multiple top 15 teams. All we need to do is stay ahead of all the other 1 loss teams.

 

[koonja]

I hope we're still discussing playoff scenarios next Sunday. Sark can probably save his job with a win on the roaD against ND. They were looking ahead just like any other team would. They're going to come in, rested, and Sark's going to coach his ass off this week. If we get up early I think they fold like the Spoiled Children they are, but they're going to come out LIVE.

 

[tussin]

I hope we're still discussing playoff scenarios next Sunday. Sark can probably save his job with a win on the roaD against ND. They were looking ahead just like any other team would. They're going to come in, rested, and Sark's going to coach his ass off this week. If we get up early I think they fold like the Spoiled Children they are, but they're going to come out LIVE.

Are you secretly a USC fan? Stop hyping them...we just saw first hand that they are a trash team. No excuse to lose to these chumps at home.

 

[irishfan]

Fair enough. Regardless, I don't think Ohio State beating Minnesota is what caused the committee to put them in the playoff.

When they kept Minnesota in there (it was questionable since like you said they weren't ranked), my first thought that that they were going to rank OSU>Baylor and use that as justification. Since Baylor's top two wins were better than OSU's based on their rankings. Obviously, OSU is the blue blood program. Hopefully, we get the same treatment if it comes down to it. I am naturally pessimistic with ND, so I'm glad to see someone is confident that 11-1 will be good enough.

 

[koonja]

Are you secretly a USC fan? Stop hyping them...we just saw first hand that they are a trash team. No excuse to lose to these chumps at home.

Have you seen our secondary? Or how about our rush offense against the only team we've played? We're hardly world beaters ourselves at this point, and Washington's DBS seem a lot better than ours based on tonight's game.