Are you guys enjoying this bowl season?

[solo]

no, it rewards the two teams that had the best season....two teams playing each other proves nothing....

The "best" team doesn't always win, on top of that there are matchup issues etc etc etc...

College football takes the two teams with the best season and have them play each other, the winner can claim to have had the best season in college football...

There isn't a single BCS champion that didn't have the best overall season in college football, its pretty rare for the team with the best overall season to win in any of the other sports....

Personally I want to reward the team with the best ENTIRE SEASON, and not the one that got hot late

Again, you fail to address how we tell which 2 teams had the "best seasons". How do define that? As I pointed out above, there has been controversy as to which 2 teams had the "best seasons" in 5 of the last 7 years. With parity in sports and schedules that are SO different, it's nearly impossible to determine which teams had the entire best seasons. That's why every other sport invites numerous teams that appeared to have the best seasons to play in the post season and let them determine the champ that way.

Question: Would you be a proponent of implementing the bowl system to every other sport (or even any other sport)? Forget the NFL, MLB, and NBA playoffs. Let's just pick the 2 teams that looked like they had the best seasons and let one of them claim the title after they play each other. It's just hard for me to believe that every other sport has it wrong and Div 1 A football is the only sport that has it right.

Final Question: You say that you want to reward the team that had the best season. Isn't inviting that team to the playoffs and giving them an opportunity to win the NC reward enough?

 

[solo]

I really want to explore this concept of "rewarding the team that had the best season".

Let's use this season as an example. If Florida beats Ohio State, why does that make their season the best? They will have one loss, so will OSU. Florida's loss will have come to a team that has 2 losses. Ohio State's loss will have come at the hands of a higher ranked opponent than Florida's loss. Ohio State will have beaten Michigan which is comparable to Florida beating Ohio State. How would Florida's season have been the best?

You might say that Florida beat Ohio State head to head. But above you said that the best team doesn't always win and that individual games prove nothing. So how would Florida's one loss season be better than OSU's one loss season?

There is just no adequate way to look at teams that played entirely different schedules and pick the 2 best teams for the title game. It is just so biased and unfair. I think the players deserve better. Maybe if your son was on a team that went undefeated and uncrowned, you might think differently. Or would it be easy for you to look him the eye and explain to HIM how the bowl system is so much better?

 

[solo]

Well, after watching USC dominate Michigan and Boise State beat Oklahoma and Penn State outplay Tennessee, I gotta say that it is nearly impossible for me to tell who the best teams are. I thought Michigan deserved a title shot, but not so much after the way USC throttled them. I wasn't positive that Boise State truly belonged in a BCS bowl, I think they made a statement.

For me, this just confirms what I have believed all along: after watching teams play incredibly different schedules all season it is nearly impossible to pick who the best teams are.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

How do we determine which 8 teams get into an 8 team play-off? If it is just the top 8 BCS ranked teams, then Boise St just got screwed because they were #9. Controversy. If the top 8 are determined by who got into BCS games based on current BCS criteria, Wisconsin just got screwed. Controversy.

 

[solo]

How do we determine which 8 teams get into an 8 team play-off? If it is just the top 8 BCS ranked teams, then Boise St just got screwed because they were #9. Controversy. If the top 8 are determined by who got into BCS games based on current BCS criteria, Wisconsin just got screwed. Controversy.

Well, my proposal probably wouldn't be popular. But I want a 16 team playoff. I want all 11 conference champs int he playoffs. Those teams won their conferences and deserve the right to represent their conferences in the post season. After that, you take the highest 5 ranked teams remaining using whatever ranking system is agreed upon. That's what I think is fair. It gives the Boise States a chance to win the title, it keeps the regular season meaningful by limiting autobids to conference champs, and it lets the title be decided on the field.

Every system will have drawbacks. This is just the one that I think is the fairest.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Well, my proposal probably wouldn't be popular. But I want a 16 team playoff. I want all 11 conference champs int he playoffs. Those teams won their conferences and deserve the right to represent their conferences in the post season. After that, you take the highest 5 ranked teams remaining using whatever ranking system is agreed upon. That's what I think is fair. It gives the Boise States a chance to win the title, it keeps the regular season meaningful by limiting autobids to conference champs, and it lets the title be decided on the field.

Every system will have drawbacks. This is just the one that I think is the fairest.

I'd love to see a play-off, but I just don't think it is feasible for college football. The 16 team format would be great, except instead of Boise St & Wisc complaining, it is Texas. They were #17 and won their Bowl game. There will always be someone complaining.

 

[njuneardave]

Back to the original topic...

i've been enjoying the bowl season myself -- alot of great games.

Houston has now become one of my favorite teams to watch (offensive fireworks, defensive woes... sounds familiar). Kolb will be very good in the NFL

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Back to the original topic...

i've been enjoying the bowl season myself -- alot of great games.

Houston has now become one of my favorite teams to watch (offensive fireworks, defensive woes... sounds familiar). Kolb will be very good in the NFL

They play in C-USA along with my UCF Knights, therefore, I hate them.

 

[njuneardave]

hey jersey:


knock knock

 

[solo]

I'd love to see a play-off, but I just don't think it is feasible for college football. The 16 team format would be great, except instead of Boise St & Wisc complaining, it is Texas. They were #17 and won their Bowl game. There will always be someone complaining.

The REAL challenge would be making sure the conferences made as much money. As to the other things you mentioned:

1. Will someone always complain? Sure, there are bubble teams in every torunarment. But they rarely a teams that would make a difference.

2. Not feasible? Why not? Div 1 AA college football has playoffs. Not to mention, in 1996 BYU went 14-1, showing that a 15 game season is absolutely possible. They played their last game on Janaury 1. So a 16 game season is evern possible with the addition of the week following jan 1 (like we have today, title game played on Jan 8). What do you feel is not feasible?

Just for fun, I laid out the teams that would be involved this year under my playoff scenario:

1. ACC representative = Wake Forest
2. Big East = Louisville
3. Big 10 = Ohio State
4. Big 12 = Oklahoma
5. Pac 10 = USC
6. SEC = Florida
7. C-USA = Houston
8. MAC=Centraol Michigan
9. Mountain West = BYU
10. WAC= Boise State
11. Sunbelt = Midd Tenn State

5 at large bids go to:

#3 in final BCS poll Michigan
#4 LSU
#7 Wisonsin
#8 Auburn
#11 Notre Dame

You could seed the teams 1-16 and have home games in the first round or 2 for the higher seeds. The final couple of rounds could be played in the BCS bowls. I think it is realistic. Money is the only barrier in my opinion.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

hey jersey:


knock knock

Who's there?

 

[jerseyborn1971]

The REAL challenge would be making sure the conferences made as much money. As to the other things you mentioned:

1. Will someone always complain? Sure, there are bubble teams in every torunarment. But they rarely a teams that would make a difference.

2. Not feasible? Why not? Div 1 AA college football has playoffs. Not to mention, in 1996 BYU went 14-1, showing that a 15 game season is absolutely possible. They played their last game on Janaury 1. So a 16 game season is evern possible with the addition of the week following jan 1 (like we have today, title game played on Jan 8). What do you feel is not feasible?

Just for fun, I laid out the teams that would be involved this year under my playoff scenario:

1. ACC representative = Wake Forest
2. Big East = Louisville
3. Big 10 = Ohio State
4. Big 12 = Oklahoma
5. Pac 10 = USC
6. SEC = Florida
7. C-USA = Houston
8. MAC=Centraol Michigan
9. Mountain West = BYU
10. WAC= Boise State
11. Sunbelt = Midd Tenn State

5 at large bids go to:

#3 in final BCS poll Michigan
#4 LSU
#7 Wisonsin
#8 Auburn
#11 Notre Dame

You could seed the teams 1-16 and have home games in the first round or 2 for the higher seeds. The final couple of rounds could be played in the BCS bowls. I think it is realistic. Money is the only barrier in my opinion.

You answered your own question. Money makes it unfeasible. Do you honestly think the bowls just shut their doors and go away? Do you really expect University President's and AD's to give up that money, incur travel expenses for multiple play-off games just so fans would prefer to have a "true national champion". No way possible, thus, unfeasible.

 

[solo]

You answered your own question. Money makes it unfeasible. Do you honestly think the bowls just shut their doors and go away? Do you really expect University President's and AD's to give up that money, incur travel expenses for multiple play-off games just so fans would prefer to have a "true national champion". No way possible, thus, unfeasible.

Well, the President of the University of Florida disagrees with you. What do I think? I think it will take a lot of work, but something equally as profitable could probably be put together. Will it happen? Who knows. This is something for TV executives, Athetic Directors, and Universuty Presidents to decide. I don't have the information available to me to know for sure one way or another if this can be done.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Isn't that the same UF President that came up with the BCS idea to begin with? Funny, since his team is now in the NC, I haven't hear him or Urban crying about a play-off as much.

 

[chasseur4]

NCAA Div 1-A Football Playoffs

NCAA Div 1-A Football Playoffs

Basketball is marketed as "March Madness".
Football would be, what, "January Insanity" ?
We are talking about 3 additional games for the top 16 teams:
The 1st round pairs 16 teams,
The 8 winners play in 4 "BCS" - type bowls for the 2nd round, then
The 4 bowl winners play a semifinal to get to
The NCG.

It probably would require doing away w/ conference championship games in SEC and Big 12.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

All of these play-off ideas are based off rankings. The way rankings are done needs to be changed. No more Coaches poll where coaches aren't even watching the games. Forget the media, they are more regionally biased than fans. CFB needs a committee much like the basketball March Madness selection committee to rank the teams. Each team gets 1 representative who's job it is watch and evaluate the games. The rankings should be 1 week behind. This gives them time to actually watch the Top 25-Top 30 games. Polls start after week 6 or 7.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Basketball is marketed as "March Madness".
Football would be, what, "January Insanity" ?
We are talking about 3 additional games for the top 16 teams:
The 1st round pairs 16 teams,
The 8 winners play in 4 "BCS" - type bowls for the 2nd round, then
The 4 bowl winners play a semifinal to get to
The NCG.

It probably would require doing away w/ conference championship games in SEC and Big 12.

I just threw up in my mouth....

Nothing would ruin the greatest regular season in all of sports faster

 

[njuneardave]

Who's there?

UCF

 

[solo]

I just threw up in my mouth....

Nothing would ruin the greatest regular season in all of sports faster

Are you serious?

You enjoy watching West Va beat up on East Carolina and Div 1aa Eastern Washington?

Oklahoma beating up Alabama Birmingham gets you excited?

The regular season in college football boils down to the best teams beating:

1. 3 OOC cupcakes (5 if you play in the big east)
2. 3 really bad teams that are the cellar dwellars of your conference
3. 4 middle of the road teams that they should beat handily an
4. 2 tough opponents that are at your level

If every team scheduled up like USC and ND do, college football would be so much more exciting. Part of the reason that I enjoy watching ND so much is the schedule. My alma mater is VT, but it's tough to watch them play patsies week in and week out. I would rather watch ND play a quality opponent. Too many teams take the route of VT, Kansas State, West VA, etc. Not enough teams schedule up.

Again, for me, the college football regular season would be SO much more exciting if the best teams weren't afraid to play each other.

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

Are you serious?

You enjoy watching West Va beat up on East Carolina and Div 1aa Eastern Washington?

Oklahoma beating up Alabama Birmingham gets you excited?

The regular season in college football boils down to the best teams beating:

1. 3 OOC cupcakes (5 if you play in the big east)
2. 3 really bad teams that are the cellar dwellars of your conference
3. 4 middle of the road teams that they should beat handily an
4. 2 tough opponents that are at your level

If every team scheduled up like USC and ND do, college football would be so much more exciting. Part of the reason that I enjoy watching ND so much is the schedule. My alma mater is VT, but it's tough to watch them play patsies week in and week out. I would rather watch ND play a quality opponent. Too many teams take the route of VT, Kansas State, West VA, etc. Not enough teams schedule up.

Again, for me, the college football regular season would be SO much more exciting if the best teams weren't afraid to play each other.

20-25 teams in the Nation do schedule like Notre Dame (especially under the new President)

You want bigger games....what makes you think the playoffs will give you that...it will take the big games we do have and make them meaningless...

#1 teams WOULDN"T SCHEDULE big games (while they do now if they want to make a run at the NC), they would have no reason to...you go 10-2 you will be in the top 16....whoo hoo...playoffs... You can play your 3 tough games, go 1-2 in them and make the playoffs

#2 what big games we do have now....would be meaningless....Its so exciting seeing two top teams play over a higher seed....whoo hoooo

 

[solo]

20-25 teams in the Nation do schedule like Notre Dame (especially under the new President)

You want bigger games....what makes you think the playoffs will give you that...it will take the big games we do have and make them meaningless...

#1 teams WOULDN"T SCHEDULE big games (while they do now if they want to make a run at the NC), they would have no reason to...you go 10-2 you will be in the top 16....whoo hoo...playoffs... You can play your 3 tough games, go 1-2 in them and make the playoffs

#2 what big games we do have now....would be meaningless....Its so exciting seeing two top teams play over a higher seed....whoo hoooo

I take it that you don't watch other sports?

Other sports have big, regular season games that are exciting AND a playoff. Why would football be different?

 

[Fighting_Irish9]

I take it that you don't watch other sports?

Other sports have big, regular season games that are exciting AND a playoff. Why would football be different?

I watch them, but they don't even come close...
Basketball....PLEASE
BASEBALL...are you kidding me
Pro Football....Name one big game all year...One game with a ton of meaning that wasn't on the Last day of the regular season

 

[johnnd05]

20-25 teams in the Nation do schedule like Notre Dame (especially under the new President)

You want bigger games....what makes you think the playoffs will give you that...it will take the big games we do have and make them meaningless...

#1 teams WOULDN"T SCHEDULE big games (while they do now if they want to make a run at the NC), they would have no reason to...you go 10-2 you will be in the top 16....whoo hoo...playoffs... You can play your 3 tough games, go 1-2 in them and make the playoffs

#2 what big games we do have now....would be meaningless....Its so exciting seeing two top teams play over a higher seed....whoo hoooo

All this is absolutely right. A playoff system would eliminate the need for tough scheduling since all you'd need to be is a well-regarded team that goes undefeated; in the present system there is at least some premium on scheduling since SOS factors into the BCS rankings and only TWO teams get a shot at the title -- up it to four or eight (or SIXTEEN?? are you KIDDING me??) and there'll be much less of a need for it. Everyone would do their darndest to play a schedule like Wisconsin or L-ville (or Boise State, for that matter) did this year and then see what happens in the postseason. With the way things are now it's much harder to get away with that.

 

[solo]

All this is absolutely right. A playoff system would eliminate the need for tough scheduling since all you'd need to be is a well-regarded team that goes undefeated; in the present system there is at least some premium on scheduling since SOS factors into the BCS rankings and only TWO teams get a shot at the title -- up it to four or eight (or SIXTEEN?? are you KIDDING me??) and there'll be much less of a need for it. Everyone would do their darndest to play a schedule like Wisconsin or L-ville (or Boise State, for that matter) did this year and then see what happens in the postseason. With the way things are now it's much harder to get away with that.

The way I see it, the current system rewards an easy schedule. Sure, SOS is factored into the equation. But if you go undefeated in a BCS conference, you generally will be in the title game. If you lose just one, you still stand a good chance. So why schedule anything but cupcakes? Win your conference, schedule as easy as possible OOC, and you are there.

A playoff may or may not allow teams to upgrade the schedule, but it would keep teams from scheduling a NC. Louisville was one last second FG away from the title game this year after playing a very easy schedule. But do you think Louisville could beat Boise State, USC and Ohio State on consecutive weekends? I don't.

A playoff would force teams to earn the title rather than schedule it.

 

[penguin]

I think it's been a great Bowl season. The match-ups have turned out to be better than I expected. There have been a lot of games with lead changes, and last minute comebacks, and exciting plays.

Hawaii's QB got to show out vs a Pac 10 team, and set some records in the process.
The Texas freshman (McCoy) brought them from behind and set some records.
Wisconsin beat Arkansas (good for the Big 10.)
I'm happy for Louisville. It's good to see some schools known more for basketball have a good football season.
I like Boise State and I like Oklahoma and the game was better than I expected.

I hope Notre Dame vs LSU is as exciting, but I hope we have the lead and retain it by the fourth quarter.

I do think that the post-seaon bowl season is too long, though.

 

[solo]

I think it's been a great Bowl season. The match-ups have turned out to be better than I expected. There have been a lot of games with lead changes, and last minute comebacks, and exciting plays.

Hawaii's QB got to show out vs a Pac 10 team, and set some records in the process.
The Texas freshman (McCoy) brought them from behind and set some records.
Wisconsin beat Arkansas (good for the Big 10.)
I'm happy for Louisville. It's good to see some schools known more for basketball have a good football season.
I like Boise State and I like Oklahoma and the game was better than I expected.

I hope Notre Dame vs LSU is as exciting, but I hope we have the lead and retain it by the fourth quarter.

I do think that the post-seaon bowl season is too long, though.

I agree that the last week has been really enjoyable. The first week of bowls was just awful. That's when I made this post orginally. And osme of the matchups that didn't appear to be good games ended up being good. So with the events of thelast week, I would agree that the bowls have been enjoyable.

That said, I personally would still enjoy a playoff more.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

In think the bowls would be more enjoyable if teams had to have 8 wins to get in. 6-6 teams playing each other to avoid having losing records doesn't exactly seem worthy of a reward of playing in a bowl game. Especially when 1 of those wins was against a D-1AA opponent.

 

[njuneardave]

cmon jersey... you asked: "who's there?" i said "UCF".... now its ur turn

 

[solo]

In think the bowls would be more enjoyable if teams had to have 8 wins to get in. 6-6 teams playing each other to avoid having losing records doesn't exactly seem worthy of a reward of playing in a bowl game. Especially when 1 of those wins was against a D-1AA opponent.

Great idea. Of course, this would reduce the number of bowls. Only 43 teams wond 8 games or more this year. So that's 21 bowl games instead of 32.

But I think we need to reduce the number of bowl games anyway.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

cmon jersey... you asked: "who's there?" i said "UCF".... now its ur turn

I can't keep up with it. Ok...

Who's there?