Quinn to Carolina?

[Junkhead]

BQ has gaudy stats...a product of an easy schedule for 2 years and a good offensive scheme. But when you look at his numbers in big games or against good defenses(Michigan, Oho St, USC, even GT), he doesn't look nearly as impressive. And how many of his TD passes were simply toss up passes thrown to athletic receivers? That play doesn't work as well in the NFL.

He has potential to be a good pro, but I don't see it being "a given".

That is the stupidest post of the day. He's not that good, its the scheme, or receivers, or schedule?! What a joke.

 

[solo]

That is the stupidest post of the day. He's not that good, its the scheme, or receivers, or schedule?! What a joke.

Do you care to point out WHY you refer to my post as as the "stupidest" of the day? Did BQ look like Peyton Manning versus GT this year? He looked more like a der in the headlights to me.

How about against Michigan? Iguess his 50% completion percentage and 3 INTs just knocked your socks off, huh?

When facing really good defenses he has looked pretty average. Guess what, the defenses only get better at the next level.

Name one really good team that Quinn led us to a victory over in the last 2 years. Just one. You can't do it because he hasn't done it.

Bring some facts. Let's talk about this rather than just call someone's post stupid.

 

[Junkhead]

see post after your original.

 

[Dannyboy Ayers]

Do you care to point out WHY you refer to my post as as the "stupidest" of the day? Did BQ look like Peyton Manning versus GT this year? He looked more like a der in the headlights to me.

How about against Michigan? Iguess his 50% completion percentage and 3 INTs just knocked your socks off, huh?

When facing really good defenses he has looked pretty average. Guess what, the defenses only get better at the next level.

Name one really good team that Quinn led us to a victory over in the last 2 years. Just one. You can't do it because he hasn't done it.

Bring some facts. Let's talk about this rather than just call someone's post stupid.

how about the come back against UCLA! they had a pretty good defense this year and don't forget about Michigan last year.

 

[omissionrock]

I don't know how much this may interest you, but being from Detroit....everyone here says that Millen would be out of his mind to take Brady Quinn first overall, everyone says that detroit will go with defense

 

[FleaFlicker]

Do you care to point out WHY you refer to my post as as the "stupidest" of the day? Did BQ look like Peyton Manning versus GT this year? He looked more like a der in the headlights to me.

How about against Michigan? Iguess his 50% completion percentage and 3 INTs just knocked your socks off, huh?

When facing really good defenses he has looked pretty average. Guess what, the defenses only get better at the next level.

Name one really good team that Quinn led us to a victory over in the last 2 years. Just one. You can't do it because he hasn't done it.

Bring some facts. Let's talk about this rather than just call someone's post stupid.

You are an idiot. Quinn played amazing against USC last year. If it isn't for our defense completely blowing the game. He is heralded as a hero. It's a team game you moron, you can't put all the credit for the wins and losses on teh QB, he isn't even on one side of the ball.

really, you are an ignorant poster.

This board has turned to total shit lately, not even worth reading anymore.

 

[omissionrock]

I don't like being referred to as a waterboy

 

[Dannyboy Ayers]

I don't like being referred to as a waterboy

just keep the quality quotes comming and you will move up!

 

[solo]

You are an idiot. Quinn played amazing against USC last year. If it isn't for our defense completely blowing the game. He is heralded as a hero. It's a team game you moron, you can't put all the credit for the wins and losses on teh QB, he isn't even on one side of the ball.

really, you are an ignorant poster.

This board has turned to total shit lately, not even worth reading anymore.

I'm sorry, I assumed that reading comprehension was a given in order to exchange ideas in this forum. You have proven differently.

I said that BQ looked pretty average against GOOD defenses (good being the operative word) and you reference USC 2005? USC didn't play good defense in 2005. They gave up 42 points to Fresno St, 41 points to TX, 31 to ND, and 28 to Ariz St. Did they really strike you as good defensive unit in 2005?

Read....COMPREHEND....then respond.................got it?

 

[FleaFlicker]

I'm sorry, I assumed that reading comprehension was a given in order to exchange ideas in this forum. You have proven differently.

I said that BQ looked pretty average against GOOD defenses (good being the operative word) and you reference USC 2005? USC didn't play good defense in 2005. They gave up 42 points to Fresno St, 41 points to TX, 31 to ND, and 28 to Ariz St. Did they really strike you as good defensive unit in 2005?

Read....COMPREHEND....then respond.................got it?

Your right, I was regressing to the thousand of threads about how Brady can't win a big game.

But in terms of good defenses, is it fair to say that Penn State had a good defense this year? I think it is, he had a great game.

 

[solo]

Your right, I was regressing to the thousand of threads about how Brady can't win a big game.

But in terms of good defenses, is it fair to say that Penn State had a good defense this year? I think it is, he had a great game.

Yes, that would be fair.

Of the teams we played this year, only 3 teams finished statistically in the top 25 in yards given up per game. Those 3 teams are Michigan (#6), PSU (#16) and GT (#21).

 

[Guest]

Quinn didn't have much support this year, his pass protection was lousy, we had an inconsistant running game, and worse of all our defense was horrible. Quinn played well enough against GT, USC, OSU etc to win those games, it certainly wasn't his fault we lost some of those games. His performance against USC this year was outstanding IMO(almost 300 yds 3 td's 0 ints 80yds rushing 6 dropped passes) it was the rest of the team that was awful that night, I'm not sure many QB's could put up those kind of numbers in a similiar situation.

A guy like Troy smith has the luxury of playing behind the best oline, and a great defense to compliment him. If OSU has our defense they lose to PSU and Illinois this year, two games where TS played poorly yet won because his defense bailed him out, shouldn't it be noted that Quinn didn't have the luxury of being bailed out.

Who knows how Quinn will be at the next level, the only QB I ever felt was "a given" coming out of college was Peyton Manning. The scouts love Quinn so we'll just have to wait and see how he plays at the next level. Physically he has the tools, and he certainly has the brains so I'd be surprised if he ended up as a bust...

 

[kjones]

Solo, did you ever like, read my reply. It was the first one to your original post. Try it, and maybe the link I provided as well. Or not, I don't feel like arguing, it's all been said before, and I don't give a lot of weight to people like you anymore. You need to do some research before you come spouting of ESPN party line. Check the stats of the USC game, heck, check the Michigan game, his worse outing by far, and what do you find? Average stats. On his most off-day, he's average. As i said before, his lowest stat days were army and air force. But then, you ignored my post. It's still there though, read that link.

 

[solo]

Solo, did you ever like, read my reply. It was the first one to your original post. Try it, and maybe the link I provided as well. Or not, I don't feel like arguing, it's all been said before, and I don't give a lot of weight to people like you anymore. You need to do some research before you come spouting of ESPN party line. Check the stats of the USC game, heck, check the Michigan game, his worse outing by far, and what do you find? Average stats. On his most off-day, he's average. As i said before, his lowest stat days were army and air force. But then, you ignored my post. It's still there though, read that link.

Well KJONES, I stopped taking the "blinder people" seriously probably about at the same time you stopped listening to the facts. On nearly every message board, you find a contingent of people that simply ant to talk about how great ND is, how awesome the players are, and how everything is peachy despite the fact that we haven't won a bowl game in over a decade, we rarely get players taken int he 1st round, and we haven't been competitive with the best teams in college football for a long time (other than our near miss against USC last year). Aren't you tired of seeing us get pounded when we play good teams? I sure am. And I come to message board to talk about it. Not to simply sit around in one big happy ND circle jerk.

To address your opinion of BQ. This year we played 3 defenses that were statistically top 25 in yards allowed per game. Those teams were:

GT...We scored 14 point. BQ threw 0 TDs. He was 23/38 and 246 yds. 60% is a nice completion percentage. 246 yds is a pretty avg day. zero TDs is not good unless you are running for scores which we weren't (evident by the total points scored).

PSU...Excellent game. 25/36, 387 yds. 3 TDs. 41 points scored.

Michigan...24/48 (bad). 234 yds (mediocre) 3 TDs (very good) 3 INTs (awful). 1 TD pass to the wrong team (awful). 21 points (mediocre)

Basically, our offense couldn't generate points against 2 of the 3 good defenses they faced. And when you have an NFL calibre QB in the backfield, you expect to score on everyone. So against the good defenses, in my opinion, he underperformed. He certainly didn't look like a 1st round draft choice in those games.

Why is that so hard for you accept?

You are probably one of those guys that thinks BQ was "cheated" out of the Heisman. Well, if you do, I say back that up that opinion. Did he lead us to any big wins? Was he statistically the best QB? Was he any more valuable to ND than the other Heisman finalists were to their teams? I can't see any factual argument supporting the stance that BQ should have won the heisman.

 

[kjones]

So, USC doesn't have a good defense this year? And NO, I don't think BQ got cheated from the Heisman. And all you've shown is that Brady Quinn has had 2 off games this year, one very poor game indeed (Michigan) and one mediocre game (GT). Of course, his poor game is better than Troy Smith's poorest game, and is vs. the number 2 team in the country (IMO) and his mediocre game was the first game of the season against one of the better blitzing defenses around. I can't seem to tell why this makes him a terrible quarterback, or anything other than a human being who doesn't always play perfectly. If you would step back and look at the whole picture, you'd see a very fine quarterback.

In regards to your attacks on me personally, I have no reply, I deem them beneath both you and me, and would hope that you would refrain yourself in the future.

 

[kjones]

Oh, and did you ever read that link? Just asking, you still should if you havn't.

 

[solo]

The thought of BQ in Silver and Black makes me want to puke. Not to offend any Raiders fans that might be reading, but I can't stand just about everything about this organization. Such as:

1. Their motto: "Just win". It implies that the ends justify the means. That winning is everything and it doesn't matter how you do it. I don't agree.

2. The way they try to contend. They try to build a contender from free agency when I think the best way to build a winner long term is through the draft. Develop your own talent, then fill the holes with free agency. The Raiders have every washed up, burnt out, former super star that thinks they can still play on the team. They will never win another superbowl until they ditch this philosophy of trying to win with others teams retreads.

3. Al Davis. The game has passed him by. Not to mention, he has moved that franchise how many times?

4. The general "aura" of the team. They have always struck me as a dirty team. Who cares about the rules, just win. Play dirty, play cheap, play undisciplined, just win.

Yes, to see a fine young man like BQ go to a team like the Raiders would be sad. Tim Brown had one heck of a career there. But in general, I would just prefer them to draft players from other programs.

 

[benneboy]

I am surprised I haven't heard much talk of Quinn going to Cleveland considering he is from Ohio. They also have the worst QB situation in the NFL IMO. I am a die hard Colts fan but it would be hard not to root for the Brownies and Quinn.

 

[chip]

The thought of BQ in Silver and Black makes me want to puke. Not to offend any Raiders fans that might be reading, but I can't stand just about everything about this organization. Such as:

1. Their motto: "Just win". It implies that the ends justify the means. That winning is everything and it doesn't matter how you do it. I don't agree.

2. The way they try to contend. They try to build a contender from free agency when I think the best way to build a winner long term is through the draft. Develop your own talent, then fill the holes with free agency. The Raiders have every washed up, burnt out, former super star that thinks they can still play on the team. They will never win another superbowl until they ditch this philosophy of trying to win with others teams retreads.

3. Al Davis. The game has passed him by. Not to mention, he has moved that franchise how many times?

4. The general "aura" of the team. They have always struck me as a dirty team. Who cares about the rules, just win. Play dirty, play cheap, play undisciplined, just win.

Yes, to see a fine young man like BQ go to a team like the Raiders would be sad. Tim Brown had one heck of a career there. But in general, I would just prefer them to draft players from other programs.

The Raiders have actually (finally) begun to rebuild the right way. The defense is predominantly composed of recent draft picks. The defense is the lone bright spot on the team, & is the youngest defense in the NFL to boot. They still need to add a couple of more defensive players, but the D should be good for quite some time. Now the offense, on the other hand, needs a ton of work. However, the quality of the D will allow them to spend most of their draft picks & free agent money on the offense.

That said, I don't think they'll draft Quinn because I think Detroit will.

Oh yeah, one more thing - the "Al Davis Factor". If you've seen Al recently, it seems pretty clear he won't be around much longer. His health is failing rapidly. He has even missed several home games this season.

 

[nd1]

the raiders are not that far off.If you look at the nfl no team is along away from being good. just one or two players that could make a difference. I really wish quinn could go to green bay but that isn't going to happen. I look for him to be in detroit, unless some team trades up like carolina to get him.

 

[chasseur4]

BQ no threat to Panthers' Cajun QB.

BQ no threat to Panthers' Cajun QB.

Breaux Bridge, La.'s Jake Delhomme can rest easy.

Three years ago, Mark May & much of the national media were touting Jason White as the most talented athlete to ever touch a damn football. Then came the Sugar Bowl, and Marcus Spears, Melvin Oliver and Chad Lavalais spent the evening tossing the so-called Superman around like a rag doll. Superman is now conspicuously absent from the ranks of starting NFL QB's.

After Glenn Dorsey, Ali Highsmith & Ricky Jean-Francois spend next Wednesday evening amusing themselves with BQ, maybe that highly-touted ND graduation rate will help the kid find a job somewhere.

 

[dankus]

I just saw this post and it frustrates me, so I figured I'd chime and offer my opinions on the matter.

I think that this would be a big mistake. This is not the year to trade up. This years draft is weak. BQ is a good QB. He is the the best QB coming out this year. But I don't see him as worth trading up for. He's not Carsion Palmer or Peyton Manning. Honestly, I see him having a Rick Mirer type career. If you recall, Mirer was the 2nd overall pick in the 93 draft but never made big strides as a pro.

What made Carson Palmer so much better coming out of college?

He had one incredible season, his senior year.

He played in a conference that is notorious for having lax defenses.

Is there something I am missing?

BQ has gaudy stats...a product of an easy schedule for 2 years and a good offensive scheme.

In your later posts you talk about BQ taking advantage of the system in college, well, what the hell was Palmer doing?

He had a great offensive system with Norm Chow. Chow's system was more than capable of producing another Heisman winning QB two years later.

Iguess his 50% completion percentage and 3 INTs just knocked your socks off, huh?

Did you even watch the game? Did you? While his performance was poor, it is easy to understand the performance. First INT can be attributed to a tip, which can hardly be blamed on Quinn. Next, when the team is up 21-7, what exactly will a coach do? If you guessed make up the defecit, you are right. Running the ball doesn't accomplish this, so Quinn must pass. What happens when the opposing team knows you are going to pass because you are so far down? I don't know, perhaps play a defense tailored to stop the pass. While his performance sucked, he didn't get much help either.

To address your opinion of BQ. This year we played 3 defenses that were statistically top 25 in yards allowed per game. Those teams were:

GT...We scored 14 point. BQ threw 0 TDs. He was 23/38 and 246 yds. 60% is a nice completion percentage. 246 yds is a pretty avg day. zero TDs is not good unless you are running for scores which we weren't (evident by the total points scored).

PSU...Excellent game. 25/36, 387 yds. 3 TDs. 41 points scored.

Michigan...24/48 (bad). 234 yds (mediocre) 3 TDs (very good) 3 INTs (awful). 1 TD pass to the wrong team (awful). 21 points (mediocre)

Basically, our offense couldn't generate points against 2 of the 3 good defenses they faced. And when you have an NFL calibre QB in the backfield, you expect to score on everyone. So against the good defenses, in my opinion, he underperformed. He certainly didn't look like a 1st round draft choice in those games.

Where to begin, where to begin.

Let's see, 246 yards is an average day? I'll take it as an average day myself. Especially considering we actually had some sort of running offense that game, running for 140 yards.

PSU, he played well. Not much more can be said.

Michigan, stats suck. How many rushing yards this game I wonder? If you said 4 you are right. I wonder whether they stopped rushing the ball when they got down? Gosh, I just don't know. Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, or anyone else wouldn't have thrown much better when the defense knows they are going to throw.

When you have an NFL caliber QB you expect to score on everyone? On which game did we get shutout? You may have meant, you expect to beat everyone.

Well, what about Jay Cutler? Did Vanderbilt beat everyone? How were his stats? Look them up.

Just to save time:
59.1 % completion rate.
21 TD
9 INT
Rating: 126.07
Yard/G: 279.4

This is from the number 11 pick last draft. This was with the old clock rules. Somehow Cutler is a top 15 NFL draft pick with those stats, but who did he beat? No one. Look up his stats versus LSU: 51 QB rating, when was the last time you saw Quinn have a 51 QB rating? How about Cutler's performance versus the powerhouse Middle Tennessee State? A lowly 108 QB rating.

Cutler sure didn't look like a first round draft choice in those two games, but what do you know, somehow he got picked. I guess Cutler is the exception to your rule.