Notre Dame in the Sugar - Done Deal?

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'll stand by it till death does one of us... any system that keeps the Orange/Rose/sug/ Cotton/ and other bowl games going YET still delivers a true Champion I'm all for... here's to having one sport in America where every game matters, where discussion is hot and tradition is alive, passion lives and where 9-7 teams are never crowned "champion" ... here's to college football and the BCS... may both last forever!

and no, your negative comments can not deter me

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Actually, I fully agree...especially the "where 9-7 teams are never crowned "champion" ..." part.

Wish I could give you rep points!!! (I need to spread it around it seems)

 

[ACamp1900]

hahahaha

Actually, I fully agree...especially the "where 9-7 teams are never crowned "champion" ..." part.

mods must give rep

 

[jiggafini19]

where 9-7 teams are never crowned "champion"

The only thing mentioned I cannot agree with.

Anyone that has ever won any Super Bowl has been a true champion and EARNED that trophy. No one, human or computer, had to vote or equate a Super Bowl Champion into that position.

You cannot possibly end the season with more than one undefeated NFL team. That's equitable.

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Champion is a subjective word even if at first glance it would appear not to be. Is it the best team? Is it the winner of a tournament? The winner of March Madness is often times NOT the best team in college basketball. It's the team that gets the most favorable bracket and goes on the best run at the end of the season.

 

[TexasDomer]

True, but the team that does that is crowned "National Champion."

 

[FleaFlicker]

Champion is a subjective word even if at first glance it would appear not to be. Is it the best team? Is it the winner of a tournament? The winner of March Madness is often times NOT the best team in college basketball. It's the team that gets the most favorable bracket and goes on the best run at the end of the season.

If you are going to nit-pick about that, then there is absolutely no way to know if ANY team is the best at the end of the season. And Champions are historically seen as the best team at the end of the year, not the team that started out 15-0 and couldn't finish.

Which is why a playoff makes the most sense in any situation where you are trying to determine a champion at the end of the year.

More simply put, teams shift power and change all the time throught the season (i.e. Texas this year). You can't judge a team by giving them more credit for a win in week 1 than you do in a BCS bowl game. Because that bowl game is the most recent, it holds the most weight as to where that team actually sits within CFB.

The Steelers proved that they were the best team at the end of the year last year. Easily.

A playoff is the only modern way (aside from being God) in which to judge who is the best team.

 

[tedwick]

Champion is a subjective word even if at first glance it would appear not to be. Is it the best team? Is it the winner of a tournament? The winner of March Madness is often times NOT the best team in college basketball. It's the team that gets the most favorable bracket and goes on the best run at the end of the season.

very good point. it all depends on what your definition of champion. ideally, it's "the best team in the league for that season". However, that's entirely a subjective call when it actually comes down to picking a champion. A tournament is a pretty good model, but since it only happens during the end of the year, injuries, hot and cold streaks, and seeding alter that. Then it's really "The really good team in the league that was the best at this point in time against these teams." The BCS just has another way of doing that.

The Super Bowl does not crown a "True" champion. It crowns a champion that fits their criteria. Same thing with the BCS. I'm fine with both.

 

[jiggafini19]

Rarely in the NHL and MLB does the team with the best regular season record win the championship. Back in the day, MLB used to have an AL Champ and an NL Champ. That was your playoffs...the World Series.

In the NBA, I can't recall anyone lower than a #2 seed winning the whole thing. The Knicks were an 8 seed and reached the Finals, but that was the shortened lockout year and first year post Jordan.

Whoever wins the Super Bowl is the best team. I don't care what anyone says. At that time of year, when everyone is banged up in the NFL, if you're 8-8 and win 4 more games you deserve to be called Champion, even if you didn't win your division. The division winners get byes.

 

[Irish Envy]

GoshenGuy just stated that he saw the Rose will take LSU vs Michigan or USC. Guess the source was correct.

 

[tedwick]

More news: Blue Gray Sky has a great writeup on the situation
http://bluegraysky.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_bluegraysky_archive.html#116490764268191335

a quote from the Rose Bowl CEO:

"First of all in general, the BCS is not enthusiastic about rematches," Dorger said via telephone Wednesday. "In fact, they specifically tell us to avoid those if at all possible. In most cases, there's not as much enthusiasm for a rematch, particularly if you're going to have to spend thousands of dollars to travel out to see it. I think that's a big factor.

"One of the other things you have to think about is Michigan will be here potentially for the third time in four years. So breeding enthusiasm in Michigan has got to be a big consideration. You can fill in the blanks."

"We do look at TV ratings very closely, because TV ratings drive our brand identity," Dorger said. "When we go to renegotiate our contract in the coming years, we're going to have to lay our TV ratings on the line. So yes, we're looking at good TV ratings."

"Yet in the final analysis, we need to pick what's best for the Rose Bowl," he said. "We're just not sure what that is yet."

sounds like this could get interesting. Per BGS, we may screw Michigan over twice in the span of 2 weeks.

by the way, bluegraysky.blogspot.com should be required reading for any internet savy ND fan. just sayin...

 

[jerseyborn1971]

If you are going to nit-pick about that, then there is absolutely no way to know if ANY team is the best at the end of the season. And Champions are historically seen as the best team at the end of the year, not the team that started out 15-0 and couldn't finish.

Which is why a playoff makes the most sense in any situation where you are trying to determine a champion at the end of the year.

More simply put, teams shift power and change all the time throught the season (i.e. Texas this year). You can't judge a team by giving them more credit for a win in week 1 than you do in a BCS bowl game. Because that bowl game is the most recent, it holds the most weight as to where that team actually sits within CFB.

The Steelers proved that they were the best team at the end of the year last year. Easily.

A playoff is the only modern way (aside from being God) in which to judge who is the best team.

It was a hypothetical question regarding what consitutes a champion, not an endorsement of the BCS or of a Playoff system. Judging by the variety of opinions, I'd say the term Champion is indeed subjective.

I think of the word Champion in relation to boxing. A champion is crowned when he beats the current champion. He then defends the championship against ALL top contenders until someone proves they are better than he is. Now, that obviously can't happen in football, so the term champion takes on a different meaning. This is what makes the term subjective in my opinion.

 

[DeeRock]

Frankly, UCLA wasn't really noted as a RUN or PASS first team offensively- regardless, ND has to play hard against whomever- neither one of those teams are "service academies"