2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race


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GoIrish41

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The first American presidential candidate to run a genuinely populist campaign is going to win a historic victory. Unfortunately, that would require running against the plutocrats that finance both major parties, so it's not likely to happen.

I think even IE might be able to come together on such a candidate. But politics has become so beholden to large campaign donations that it does seem unlikely. That little add-in within the new budget to increase direct campaign donations just makes matters worse. It is all so disheartening.

Since you brought up Rand...



He has a unique advantage in 2014 because he can run in the primary against 2010 Mitt Romney. Republican voters got burned the last time they listened to the consultants, so maybe they'll turn their back on them this time. Also, I know you don't like talk radio but it's a powerful voice in the Republican party and even Rush, Beck, et al have begun openly attacking Rove and the so-called "consultant class".

Lol. Like you weren't going to bring Rand up. ...

Of all the GOP candidates, I think Rand would do the best in the general election. The Republican base gets what the Republican base wants usually ... and that isn't Rand Paul. Romney was a terrible candidate -- just completely uneasy around voters and flipped like a pancake whenever the moment called for it. Rand has Jeb to worry about. Romney is not going to be a player, IMO. Elizabeth Warren and Rand Paul would be a very interesting and substanative contest -- and we would likely come out on the other end of it with a better president. But, we won't get that.
 
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Since you brought up Rand...

He has a unique advantage in 2014 because he can run in the primary against 2010 Mitt Romney. Republican voters got burned the last time they listened to the consultants, so maybe they'll turn their back on them this time. Also, I know you don't like talk radio but it's a powerful voice in the Republican party and even Rush, Beck, et al have begun openly attacking Rove and the so-called "consultant class".

The day the Republican Party ignores the temptation to turn the primaries into Evangelical Crazypeople's Social Issues Circus Tour™, and just sticks to discussing real ideas about common sense reform for government, they'll get a decent candidate. Until then Karl Rove will divide the party over and over so the corporations and special interests can continue to have a complete grip over the party and country.
 
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I think even IE might be able to come together on such a candidate. But politics has become so beholden to large campaign donations that it does seem unlikely.

Screw running for President, how about just winning an election at the Congressional level. I often wonder how far one guy could get if he ran for Representative on the platform of, basically: "Time out. Stop all of this arguing over nonissues. Americans of all backgrounds agree that campaign influence is killing the government. Our government should not be for sale. We need ____ simple reforms for Congress so we can eliminate corporate/union/plutocrat control over our laws. Then we can actually solve our other issues when Congresspeople aren't doing the bidding of their corporate daddies."

It seems so silly to me that the Right and Left, and common moderate Americans, loathe Congress and agree that it's horribly corrupt....and that a common dude can't run and say "that's the only issue out there right now. Not immigration. Not ISIS. Not abortion. It's corporations controlling the laws of this country and owning your Representatives." And run and sign an oath to donate your congressional pay to charity and effectively take the congressional district out of the corrupt voting equation in Washington. How far could one guy, with a small team of professional-level multimedia producers and a YouTube account, get if he just went out there and presented his case in a funny and easily consumable (ie viral) manner?

On a more general note, I don't consider myself a libertarian, but I think we could all agree that the Congress could use a few more Ron Paul's, for the simple reason of he wasn't for sale and thus brought real ideas to the conversation.
 

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Problem with the GOP is that there is so much internal turmoil. Hard to find cross the board agreement on anything in that party. I know you are going to come back with an appeal for Rand Paul, but his chances of gaining the GOP nomination are not very good. Who else can run through the mine field of Republican primary politics without enough damage to make a legitimate run against a unified Democratic candidate? I don't see anyone in the field adept enough at politics to pull it off. Obama is just keeping the seat warm for Hillary. She's not my first choice, but she is most certainly going to win the nomination unless she shocks everyone and decides not to run.
That same thing was said in 2008. Hillary Clinton is a horrible politician, just really really bad. She's unlikeable, bland, stiff, and she comes off as schoolmarmish like she is lecturing you. Americans typically go for the candidate they want to have a beer with. That is why George Bush beat John McCain and won 2 elections, and that is also why Obama beat Hillary and won 2 elections. Hillary Clinton is really just the female version of John Kerry or Mitt Romney.

The Republicans have every opportunity but you know they're going to be blow it by nominating some mushy centrist a**hole like Bush or some weirdo social issues warrior like Santorum.
 

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I hope Jeb Bush lasts as long on the ticket as Dennis Kucinich did on the Dems' ticket.

What a joke.
 

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I hope Jeb Bush lasts as long on the ticket as Dennis Kucinich did on the Dems' ticket.

What a joke.
This is what I can't figure out. WHERE in this country is the appetite for a Jeb Bush candidacy besides Karl Rove's living room?
 

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This is what I can't figure out. WHERE in this country is the appetite for a Jeb Bush candidacy besides Karl Rove's living room?

Nowhere. Problem is Rove is what he is, and is connected to a shit ton of money. Unfortunately those with the money are the same idiots who cost us the 2012 election, and Romney was a pathetic candidate who couldn't articulate modern conservativism.

I'm all in on Ben Carson. Rand 2nd.
 

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This is what I can't figure out. WHERE in this country is the appetite for a Jeb Bush candidacy besides Karl Rove's living room?

He's arguably the "best Bush" but I'm with you...there is no appetite for another Bush. Money will be important in this election...the Billary machine will be immense!
 

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Nowhere. Problem is Rove is what he is, and is connected to a shit ton of money. Unfortunately those with the money are the same idiots who cost us the 2012 election, and Romney was a pathetic candidate who couldn't articulate modern conservativism.

I'm all in on Ben Carson. Rand 2nd.

The funny thing is that I file Jeb as a liberal, more in the Clinton sense. But that moron Rove will wave his banner acting like he's Ronald Reagan. The only thing we can hope and pray is that the American People think for themselves and see the light and Stand with Carson, and/or Paul.

I'm with you, Just in reverse. Rand President, Carson VP
 

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I, too, would like to see a Democrat poster do this for a chunk of the more likely Democrat candidates, please.

Here it goes:

Clinton: Will easily get the corporate wing of the party backing, and should be able to raise a ton of money. Has some cross over appeal mainly among woman, and the fact that Bill Clinton is still the most popular Democrat in the south. Odds on favorite if she runs.

Biden: Hard to sell a third Obama term. Although I expect the economy in spite of Obama, and thanks to US domestic energy boom to look pretty good in 2016. Staying the course so to speak won't seem as bad in 2016 as it does today; still a tough sell.

Andrew Cuomo: Another Democrat who like Hillary Clinton would have the corporate backing of wall street. A social liberal and economic moderate. Been decent governor for NY though it is hard to see America getting excited for this guy.

Warren: She'd have the progressive wing of the party's backing. Far left both economically and socially. Very much anti big bank, anti Wall Street which makes it very hard to see her getting the nomination, much less winning the presidency.

Brian Schweitzer: Former of Governor of Montana. Said he thought he could win the Democratic primary by running against Obama. A pro 2nd amendment rights Democratic, and has a somewhat more moderate stance on environmental issues. Been very vocal against Obamacare but also against the health insurance companies, and the special interest in health care. Has also been vocal about using anti trust legislation to break up the "too big to fail" banks. Called Teddy Roosevelt his idol. A guy with a lot of cross over appeal as he got elected in Montana where Obama lost by over 20 points.

Joe Manchin: Senator of WV. Political centrist but has a lot of cross over appeal. Pro 2nd amendment record (although he did support background checks), and a big friend to the coal and oil industry. Not a fan but people seem to like him.

Luis Gutiérrez: Congressman from Chicago. I can't see him winning the nomination under any circumstance but I think he could be a very likely VP candidate designed to attract as much of the Hispanic vote as possible. Personally I like the guy as he seems to be less of a corporate shill than some.

Bernie Sanders: Senator Vermont. Technically an independent Democratic Socialist though there have been rumors of him running in the Democratic primary. Recently promoted to leading Democratic member of the Senate budget committee starting in 2015. Like Warren very anti corporate state though I would say less national appeal.

Howard Dean: Former gov of Vermont and DNC chair. While I wouldn't call him a conservative Dean is definitely a deficit hawk and the only Democratic that actually favored sequestration. H has been a big proponent of getting the Pentagon spending under control. I wouldn't put in the same category as Elizabeth Warren but much more anti corporatist than the mainstream Dems like HC.

Other candidates: Rahm Emmanuel (although he seems intent on staying mayor of Chicago), Ed Rendell former PA gov, Martin O'Malley current Maryland gov.

For me I prefer someone of the anti corporate state Warren/Sanders mold.

I am a huge Schweitzer fan. I'm not a fan at all of his policy on guns but that is not the biggest with the country. While he is not totally green in terms of his environmental policy but he seems to have common sense balancing climate change with the economy with focus having more efficient energy consumption with a cars, homes, etc; definitely a view I can live with. I want a guy who is of the anti corporate state mold and can deliver his message to all factions of the country, and I think this guy can.

Not at excited at all for the likely Hillary Clinton nomination. Not a fan of Joe Biden, Joe Manchin, or Andrew Cuomo either. Throw Rahm Emanuel in the mix as well if he decides to run, although after pissing me off to no end early on as mayor, he has done some decent things for the city in the last year and a half that I have supported.
 
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He's arguably the "best Bush" but I'm with you...there is no appetite for another Bush. Money will be important in this election...the Billary machine will be immense!

Do Billy and George H.W. stay BFF's if Jeb and Hilary go head to head? lol, I'd kill myself.
 

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My Score:

Green Party 87%

Democrats 80%

Libertarians 69%

Socialist 51 %

Republicans 9 %

I think a good portion of the quiz depends on how much you rate the importance of something to you.
 
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I'm all in on Ben Carson. Rand 2nd.

Ben Carson? The candidate who doesn't believe in evolution and carbon dating the age of the Earth? The guy who prays for supernatural intervention in explaining to people how awful Obamacare is?

He's the candidate whose pitch is uniting the GOP base on social issues. I cannot imagine another one of those guys is what they need. He's got a masterful way of painting dissenters as hateful/mislead commies who just don't want to calm down and discuss ideas...but it's pure boloney.

There is Rand Paul and then there's everybody else in my opinion.
 

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Ben Carson? The candidate who doesn't believe in evolution and carbon dating the age of the Earth? The guy who prays for supernatural intervention in explaining to people how awful Obamacare is?

He's the candidate whose pitch is uniting the GOP base on social issues. I cannot imagine another one of those guys is what they need. He's got a masterful way of painting dissenters as hateful/mislead commies who just don't want to calm down and discuss ideas...but it's pure boloney.

There is Rand Paul and then there's everybody else in my opinion.

He's the nation's top neurosurgeon, comes from a humble background, great speaker, well liked, and has more to bring to the table than social issues. He can talk about economic freedom, business, the individual, obviously healthcare, and can really be a uniter in the "race" talk in our country. Most importantly IMO, he is not currently part of the DC cesspool which Americans despise. He's the anti Obama.

I wouldn't bet my next paycheck on him winning the nomination, but I'd love to see it happen. Democrats' worst nightmare.
 

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Here it goes:

Clinton: Will easily get the corporate wing of the party backing, and should be able to raise a ton of money. Has some cross over appeal mainly among woman, and the fact that Bill Clinton is still the most popular Democrat in the south. Odds on favorite if she runs.

Biden: Hard to sell a third Obama term. Although I expect the economy in spite of Obama, and thanks to US domestic energy boom to look pretty good in 2016. Staying the course so to speak won't seem as bad in 2016 as it does today; still a tough sell.

Andrew Cuomo: Another Democrat who like Hillary Clinton would have the corporate backing of wall street. A social liberal and economic moderate. Been decent governor for NY though it is hard to see America getting excited for this guy.

Warren: She'd have the progressive wing of the party's backing. Far left both economically and socially. Very much anti big bank, anti Wall Street which makes it very hard to see her getting the nomination, much less winning the presidency.

Brian Schweitzer: Former of Governor of Montana. Said he thought he could win the Democratic primary by running against Obama. A pro 2nd amendment rights Democratic, and has a somewhat more moderate stance on environmental issues. Been very vocal against Obamacare but also against the health insurance companies, and the special interest in health care. Has also been vocal about using anti trust legislation to break up the "too big to fail" banks. Called Teddy Roosevelt his idol. A guy with a lot of cross over appeal as he got elected in Montana where Obama lost by over 20 points.

Joe Manchin: Senator of WV. Political centrist but has a lot of cross over appeal. Pro 2nd amendment record (although he did support background checks), and a big friend to the coal and oil industry. Not a fan but people seem to like him.

Luis Gutiérrez: Congressman from Chicago. I can't see him winning the nomination under any circumstance but I think he could be a very likely VP candidate designed to attract as much of the Hispanic vote as possible. Personally I like the guy as he seems to be less of a corporate shill than some.

Bernie Sanders: Senator Vermont. Technically an independent Democratic Socialist though there have been rumors of him running in the Democratic primary. Recently promoted to leading Democratic member of the Senate budget committee starting in 2015. Like Warren very anti corporate state though I would say less national appeal.

Howard Dean: Former gov of Vermont and DNC chair. While I wouldn't call him a conservative Dean is definitely a deficit hawk and the only Democratic that actually favored sequestration. H has been a big proponent of getting the Pentagon spending under control. I wouldn't put in the same category as Elizabeth Warren but much more anti corporatist than the mainstream Dems like HC.

Other candidates: Rahm Emmanuel (although he seems intent on staying mayor of Chicago), Ed Rendell former PA gov, Martin O'Malley current Maryland gov.

For me I prefer someone of the anti corporate state Warren/Sanders mold.

I am a huge Schweitzer fan. I'm not a fan at all of his policy on guns but that is not the biggest with the country. While he is not totally green in terms of his environmental policy but he seems to have common sense balancing climate change with the economy with focus having more efficient energy consumption with a cars, homes, etc; definitely a view I can live with. I want a guy who is of the anti corporate state mold and can deliver his message to all factions of the country, and I think this guy can.

Not at excited at all for the likely Hillary Clinton nomination. Not a fan of Joe Biden, Joe Manchin, or Andrew Cuomo either. Throw Rahm Emanuel in the mix as well if he decides to run, although after pissing me off to no end early on as mayor, he has done some decent things for the city in the last year and a half that I have supported.
You left out the only Democrat currently announced:
Webb 2016 Exploratory Committee - James Webb 2016 - Jim Webb 2016

I've been a big Jim Webb fan for quite some time now. He's a Democrat but he's not a leftist social justice warrior and he opposed the Iraq war from the start. He's a decorated Marine Vietnam war hero. He's actually a Democrat I would consider voting for even though he did vote for Obamacare.
 

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You left out the only Democrat currently announced:
Webb 2016 Exploratory Committee - James Webb 2016 - Jim Webb 2016

I've been a big Jim Webb fan for quite some time now. He's a Democrat but he's not a leftist social justice warrior and he opposed the Iraq war from the start. He's a decorated Marine Vietnam war hero. He's actually a Democrat I would consider voting for even though he did vote for Obamacare.

He's certainly practical and wouldn't be a horrible candidate but I rather see an anticorporatist get thenomination. Not saying Webb is a bad guy but I've yet here of Webb taking a populist stand against the corrupttion and buying of our government from Wall Street and the mega corporation.

He is on my list though if candidates i don't love but i can deal with.
 

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What a bunch of idiots in the Republican party. The big money / Karl Rove / Fox News / Wall Street / Establishment candidate is going to get the nomination again by process of elimination. Romney or Bush will go into primary season somewhere around 20%, while a field of sixteen other candidates split the base 5% each. As each of them drops off with a debate gaffe here and a "scandal" from the past there, Romney/Bush picks us a bit of momentum as the talking heads on Fox and CNN spread the lie of inevitability.

Fox News Poll: Romney, Clinton lead potential 2016 presidential pack | Fox News
 

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What a bunch of idiots in the Republican party. The big money / Karl Rove / Fox News / Wall Street / Establishment candidate is going to get the nomination again by process of elimination. Romney or Bush will go into primary season somewhere around 20%, while a field of sixteen other candidates split the base 5% each. As each of them drops off with a debate gaffe here and a "scandal" from the past there, Romney/Bush picks us a bit of momentum as the talking heads on Fox and CNN spread the lie of inevitability.

Fox News Poll: Romney, Clinton lead potential 2016 presidential pack | Fox News

Nauseating.
 

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What a bunch of idiots in the Republican party. The big money / Karl Rove / Fox News / Wall Street / Establishment candidate is going to get the nomination again by process of elimination. Romney or Bush will go into primary season somewhere around 20%, while a field of sixteen other candidates split the base 5% each. As each of them drops off with a debate gaffe here and a "scandal" from the past there, Romney/Bush picks us a bit of momentum as the talking heads on Fox and CNN spread the lie of inevitability.

Fox News Poll: Romney, Clinton lead potential 2016 presidential pack | Fox News

Awesome. I just threw up.
 

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One candidate I would get behind 100% is Bernie Sanders. First off, I actually support universal healthcare (it just makes sense to me) and I believe that Citizens United has been devastating to our political process and money has completely corrupted it. I also believe that unchecked power for giant corporations and too much wealth concentrated into too few hands is a deadly combo.

Though I may not see eye to eye with Sanders on some things I believe he is a man of principles and that he isn't for sale. He's a rare career politician who has remained mostly uncorrupted and to me that is more impressive than an "outsider" like Mitt Romney (who yearned deeply to be an insider but just couldn't get elected). Bernie Sanders reminds me a lot of Ralph Nader and I voted for Nader in 2008 and donated to his campaign.
 

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I feel like the job of the President gets bigger every year, but the people who take/want the job get smaller. I read the other day that President Obama was a call-in guest on Colin Cowherd's show. Huh? Politics aside, that's amateur hour. The slate of front-runners for 2016: Hillary, Mitt, Jeb, Biden, are just blah. It's like 2016 is the inevitability of the career insider. Expect 4 more years of business as usual, whcih is what most Americans want, despite their protests to the contrary. Risky change requires some real moves that frighten most people. So we get the same old same old. Stepping off my soapbox now to refill my coffee mug. Enjoy your day, all. Even you lefty commies who want to destroy America.
 

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Mike Huckabee resigned from his TV show because, it is unethical to have that media platform when he hasn't ruled out running for president.

He claims he'll decide later this spring for sure. I think he'll do it to drum up publicity; take some far right and "biblican" stances to gain more popularity and loyalty with his base for when he returns to writing more books and hosting talk shows. $$$$$ (imo)

*full disclosure - I am not a fan of his; but I do hope he runs to get more opinions and debate out there.

At Fox, Huckabee goes from colleague to subject of presidential speculation - Jan. 5, 2015
 

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Here we go again . . . from the Wall Street Journal.

It sounds like he is jealous that Jeb is swooping up his people. I love politicians.



Romney Tells Donors He Is Considering 2016 White House Bid
Former Massachusetts Governor and 2012 Nominee Didn’t Give Timetable for Decision

By PATRICK O’CONNOR And BETH REINHARD

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential nominee in 2012, told a meeting of donors Friday that he is considering another White House bid in 2016, people present said.
 

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Romney Tells Donors He Is Considering 2016 White House Bid
Former Massachusetts Governor and 2012 Nominee Didn’t Give Timetable for Decision

By PATRICK O’CONNOR And BETH REINHARD

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential nominee in 2012, told a meeting of donors Friday that he is considering another White House bid in 2016, people present said.

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Rand Paul introduces bill to defund Palestinian Authority - Kendall Breitman - POLITICO

Good first step. Now let's eliminate ALL foreign aid and we'd really be cooking.

Maybe not the most pragmatic policy considering we throw pennies at dictators so they'll capitulate, like Romans with barbarian chiefs. The opportunity cost could be rather high if you end it all IMO.

I am in favor of adopting a more isolationist philosphy regarding war and other aspects of America's global policies, but foreign aid is not one of them.

Plus, erecting barriers philosophically and literally are generally not the best way to solve any problem.

Whenever I read a libertarians views on virtually anything I cant help but think of the "Trial" scene from The Wall.
 
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