Rick Minter...

[Irishman10]

Ive read whispers that Romio could get fired from the Browns. Any chance if this does happen that he'd join his old partner in ND? I'd definitely take Shannon from UM though

 

[scooper]

WAS? What happened?

For one thing, the bend but don't break crap doesn't work against today's offenses.

 

[PMac]

Minter was a great defensive coordinator...and a damn fine HC too.

key word

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

WAS? What happened?

He came to a team with crappy talent.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I honestly think he may be a better HC than coordinator. If that makes any sense. It wasn't great, but he built something out of crap at Cincinnati.

In his two years as ND's D-Coordinator back in the 90's he did just fine...but back then he had real talent...not a bunch of 3-stars who bump into one another.

 

[Clotho]

That's bullshit and idiotic. Anyone still defending Minter needs to just quit. You're fighting a losing battle here, Baghdad Bob.

 

[PMac]

He came to a team with crappy talent.

???

we have given up millions of yards to North Carolina and the Academies. They also have "crappy talent"

 

[BGIF]

That DC at A&M turned them around in a single season. Neutered Bevo and teh National Champions.

Why not dump Minter and get him?

Turnaround IS fair play.

 

[NDOM]

Talent matters, it's not bullshit.

We have one of the best secondary coaches in the entire business and he could not mold them into something better.

It is bullshit because talented db's or not it's minter calling the stupid defense not the db coach.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I don't know guys.When he blitzes half the time noone can get to the quarterback in time and BAM,pass play down field.
kinda hard to coach players who aren't that much faster then minter himself.
he could change a few play calls from time to time,but he knows the talent level he has and tries to compensate for it.

Why do some of you think that notre dame has the best defnsive players in the country?just because they have catchy names?or because they were recruited by willingham?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

???

we have given up millions of yards to North Carolina and the Academies. They also have "crappy talent"

ummm...we gave up 43 yards passing to Navy, 205 to AF, 92 to Army, 213 to NC, and 154 to Stanford.

And in the Academy games we put all the CBs in single coverage in general, to stop the run. We struggled with no team.

But our Backfield talent blows...it's like a patchwork quilt of players...almost none of who should really be there.

 

[scooper]

I don't know guys.When he blitzes half the time noone can get to the quarterback in time and BAM,pass play down field.
kinda hard to coach players who aren't that much faster then minter himself.
he could change a few play calls from time to time,but he knows the talent level he has and tries to compensate for it.

Why do some of you think that notre dame has the best defnsive players in the country?just because they have catchy names?or because they were recruited by willingham?

I understand where you're coming from. I've been one of his supporters all year. But teams with less talent than ND have put up a better fight against USC. And have done a better job slowing down teams like North Carolina. Talent IS part of it when talking about getting over that hump into the top 10. But the defense has played worse than a lot of very poor teams.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

It is bullshit because talented db's or not it's minter calling the stupid defense not the db coach.

The Defense is not being called wrong, it's being played wrong. Our guys NEVER get to the QB. Our backfield consistently bump into each other, don't wrap up, and generally miss their assignments. They are what they are...average at best.

You can't coach average guys to be as good a bunch of stellar guys...especially when the coaching is equal. And it IS equal on both sides of the ball. (USC vs ND)

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

???

we have given up millions of yards to North Carolina and the Academies. They also have "crappy talent"

that's just the thing.crappy talent on offense can alwasy get good plays out of crappy talent on defense in the course of 60 minutes.They might not put the ball in the end zone as much,but can get yards in between.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I don't know guys.When he blitzes half the time noone can get to the quarterback in time and BAM,pass play down field.
kinda hard to coach players who aren't that much faster then minter himself.
he could change a few play calls from time to time,but he knows the talent level he has and tries to compensate for it.

Why do some of you think that notre dame has the best defnsive players in the country?just because they have catchy names?or because they were recruited by willingham?

You hit the nail on the head T-I. Minter is working with "blah" talent and it shows.

 

[Freeman Ara]

It is bullshit because talented db's or not it's minter calling the stupid defense not the db coach.

Talent does matter, you can call the right defense every time put if players don't have the physical tools to make plays then what good does you calling the right defense do? Is it his fault that he hasn't adjusted his defensive philosophy to the talent he has to work with matter, yes. But I don't care how good a coach you are the talent you have to work with matters. And by the way if I see a DB staring in the back field 30 yards from the line of scrimmage and biting on the play action fake one more time I am going to puke.

 

[Clotho]

LovemyIrish, you're just pathetic. I'm sorry. That's terrible. The guy sucks.

 

[NYC DN CRO]

It is bullshit because talented db's or not it's minter calling the stupid defense not the db coach.

Our guys can't make tackles, they are way too slow, they make stupid mistakes. Jarrett is faster then any of our starting DB's and he's 6'5" and 220lbs. We have huge talent problems and depth problems. Did anbyone notice that USC was rotating 8 d-lineman. While Frome, Abiamiri, Laws and Landri were on the field the whole game.

I do blame Minter for not giving our young CB's more of a shot. Walls and McNeil can't be worse then what we have now. I know they are young but they can't be worse than Richardson and Lambert. I never thought guys in the secondary felt like they would lose their job if they didn't play well.

Also Ndukwe is just too slow to be a FS. He'd be a great LB or a good SS but he can't compete with good WR corp with his speed. They picked on the guy alot today and really expolited him today.

Belichick is great defensive coach but do you really think without Harrison, Bruschi, McGinest, Laws, Seymour, Vrabel and a host of other great players. Would he be such a great defensive mind

 

[BLUETHUNDER]

Hire Randy Shannon as someone said earlier.

 

[isotopes]

It's definitely a combo of the two. The players in the system aren't top of the line and are very one dimension, that is, if they even have that full one dimension. If they have a bit of speed technique or ability to play the run is lacking and vice versa. However, players don't look prepared and there aren't adjustments being made. The coverage has come a long way, but the middle of the field has been soft all year. There has been very little cohesion. The linebackers don't seem to fuse with what is going on with the d line, nor with the db's.

Though I have taken the lack of talent side for much of the season, I just don't see the effort on Minter's part to warrant another season.

 

[NDOM]

Talent does matter, you can call the right defense every time put if players don't have the physical tools to make plays then what good does you calling the right defense do? Is it his fault that he hasn't adjusted his defensive philosophy to the talent he has to work with matter, yes. But I don't care how good a coach you are the talent you have to work with matters.

Look what Ron English did with Michigan people. Michigan has descent talent but really it's the same defense as they had last year and we all know how bad Michigan was last year.

 

[ShivaIrish]

Is Minter the best guy Charlie could find? Please tell me his roladex includes great defensive coordinators?

Good point.

I'm not sure that Randy Shannon would be in my top list, but I think he would do a better job than Minter. I've said it before, part of the problem with Minter is that not enough improvement has been shown. Of course the D would be better with better players. But I'm not sure Minter would make a team with better talent dominant. Other teams have shown better with less. Look at Wisconsin. I don't think their talent level is greater, but their D is ranked #3. I know rankings are very limited in what they tell us, but Rutgers, Oregon St., and Georgia Tech are all ranked in the top 25 (at least before today), and play in a BCS conference as well. I doubt their "talent" level is better than ND's. Minter's old stomping ground, Cincinnati was ranked number 34--not because a great talent level, but they got OSU's old D-coordinator for a coach.

I know some people look back at Ty losing Reggie Bush in the recruiting battle as a boon for the future of the program, because he was let go sooner. I wonder if we'll look back at this loss as being a boon in the future for getting a good d-coordinator.

 

[Master Guns]

It's definitely a combo of the two. The players in the system aren't top of the line and are very one dimension, that is, if they even have that full one dimension. If they have a bit of speed technique or ability to play the run is lacking and vice versa. However, players don't look prepared and there aren't adjustments being made. The coverage has come a long way, but the middle of the field has been soft all year. There has been very little cohesion. The linebackers don't seem to fuse with what is going on with the d line, nor with the db's.
Though I have taken the lack of talent side for much of the season, I just don't see the effort on Minter's part to warrant another season.

Well said!!

 

[NDOM]

Well said indeed.

 

[ColinKSU]

What I don't get is why everyone can say that Notre Dame has NO talent on defense when 99% of the defense was recruited by other big-time BCS schools.

Was Lambert not good enough for Florida State?
Was Laws not good enough for Michigan?
Was Tommy Z not good enough for Nebraska?
Was Ambrose not good enough for Boston College?
Was Brockington not good enough for Pitt?
Was Crum not good enough for Miami?
Was Landri not good enough for USC?
Was M. Thomas not good enough for Alabama?
Was T. Thomas not good enough for Iowa?

Well they should be, because all those schools wanted those kids. Badly.

I don't buy the "we're not good enough, talent-wise" excuse because all these kids could have gone to other big-time programs, but they came here. We owed them better, but Ty and Charlie's choices of defensive coaches let them down. Plain and simple.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Look what Ron English did with Michigan people. Michigan has descent talent but really it's the same defense as they had last year and we all know how bad Michigan was last year.

"Decent"?

I would bet you almost anything that the D at UM was made up of people who averaged a star higher than our guys.

I just took a scan through the UM recruiting logs and saw that the guys we played seem to be all the 4-stars (or better).
http://rivals100.rivals.com/commitlist.asp

 

[ND Lifer]

Same old shit. Get rid of him NOW!!!!

 

[Pete]

Good point Colin, only thing is that Zibby was recruited to play QB by Nebraska

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Look what Ron English did with Michigan people. Michigan has descent talent but really it's the same defense as they had last year and we all know how bad Michigan was last year.

was michigan really that bad on defense?

 

[SBhomer]

I agree that he needs to go...but what are the realistic chances Minter is gone???