BCS Rankings - Michigan still #2

[punishment]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6188380?FSO1&ATT=HMA

 

[jerseyborn1971]

I can at least take solace in the fact that if the Condoms beat us, the "rematch" will be history.

 

[bayernarsch]

Just means we have to stomp a major hole in that Trojan ass this weekend to see how high we can rise! Having to make a statement, and to get to do it against the Condoms, is what I love as an alumnus. Go Irish...Kill USC!

 

[jerseyborn1971]

Just means we have to stomp a major hole in that Trojan ass this weekend to see how high we can rise! Having to make a statement, and to get to do it against the Condoms, is what I love as an alumnus. Go Irish...Kill USC!

See that's what I'm talking about. Reps! I wish everyone would get off the UM bandwagon. Geez, I almost forgot I was on an ND board. Thank you Bayernarsch.

 

[VictorsValiant]

I have my own problems with a rematch, and honestly, I wouldn't like to see one. But you shouldn't take away from the fact that we had a great season, and we played an exceptional game against a superior OSU team. I am not a believer in USC. I think they have talent, but they're still young. They are not up to the task against superior opponents (not Nd). If they play OSU, I think you'll see the same thing happen as in our game, except USC won't have the will to mount a comeback. Right now, I think Florida is the most deserving one loss team (you probably didn't want to hear that because Urban Meyer is the coach there), but if they beat FSU (not a given) and Arkansas (probably), then they defintely deserve it more than we do. And I think their spread offense will score against OSU, though they'll probably still lose the game.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Just means we have to stomp a major hole in that Trojan ass this weekend to see how high we can rise! Having to make a statement, and to get to do it against the Condoms, is what I love as an alumnus. Go Irish...Kill USC!

We need to hammer them like narcs at a biker rally. Not because it will increase our ranking. Not for revenge. Not for style points.

We need to nuke them because they are the lousy condoms and they have it coming...

 

[maison bleu]

I can at least take solace in the fact that if the Condoms beat us, the "rematch" will be history.

Provided the Condoms take care of UCLA. Which, as we know, is easier said than done.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Provided the Condoms take care of UCLA. Which, as we know, is easier said than done.

Yeah, although UCLA is pretty pathetic this year. 6-5. Including losses to Washington & WSU.

The Trojans will probably maul them. However, it's at UCLA so there is some potential for the UCLA crowd to get in the game.

 

[nayers]

I dont think there is anyway we can jump UM...unless we beat them by 50 it aint happening. UM will stay at 2 and we would end at 3

 

[NDFan78]

Once again the BCS fails.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Once again the BCS fails.

Maybe, maybe not...let's see it play out.

 

[TexasDomer]

Human voters won't move us ahead of Michigan.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Human voters won't move us ahead of Michigan.

But as Michigan has shown, the human voters said #3 and the computers moved them to #2!!!

 

[Irish_Football_Fan]

Michigan deserves a rematch. I think its obvious that they are the second best team in the nation right now.

 

[punishment]

Yeah, although UCLA is pretty pathetic this year. 6-5. Including losses to Washington & WSU.

The Trojans will probably maul them. However, it's at UCLA so there is some potential for the UCLA crowd to get in the game.

There will probably be as many USC fans there as UCLA fans, since the wagon right now is really big.

BTW, if anybody was watching the USC-Cal game, did anybody hear at about the 10:00 minute mark of the 4th quarter when the announcer said that USC had its first sellout in 2003 since the 1930s? WTF?!?!?! Further, that in Carrol's first season, they were only averaging about 40,000 fans at their games.

I had been arguing this point with a friend of mine who recently "discovered his life long love of USC football" and kept arguing that USC has never had low attendance figures. I told him that I had gone to USC games in the late 90s where the announced attendance was in the 30,000 range. You should have seen the look on his face when he heard the announcer say this. Regardless, he believes its a lie and media bias against USC. After this statement, you should have seen the look on my face "USC media bias, WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Aaronl]

Michigan deserves a rematch. I think its obvious that they are the second best team in the nation right now.

says who? so florida , arkansas, Usc and ND arent better?

 

[BGIF]

Once again the BCS fails.

Where are they failing?


The BCS was set up to:
1) Protect the Bowl Tie-ins/Revenue $haring Gold Mine of the Major Conferences
2) Allow #1 and #2 at the end of the regular season to meet in a bowl game


They may be failing the fans choice but do you really think that Czar Kramer and his BCS cohorts even had them on the list of key items when this deal was put together?

 

[TexasDomer]

says who? so florida , arkansas, Usc and ND arent better?

Michigan's only loss was to the #1 team. Arkansas lost to USC, Florida to Auburn, ND to Michigan.

USC's loss to OSU is the one that should have dropped them a bit more, although beating Oregon and Cal helps their cause.

No one will take us seriously until after we beat USC.

 

[Irish Envy]

Michigan's only loss was to the #1 team. Arkansas lost to USC, Florida to Auburn, ND to Michigan.

USC's loss to OSU is the one that should have dropped them a bit more, although beating Oregon and Cal helps their cause.

No one will take us seriously until after we beat USC.

Teams can match up against certain teams better. Michigan had it's crack at Ohio State and they lost. They should not get a 2nd shot. What if they win the 2nd time? Suddenly they're National Champs but didn't even win their conference title? That's a joke.

Right now, I think it should look like this:

1) Ohio State
2) USC
3) Florida
4) Notre Dame
5) Arkansas
6) Michigan

Yes, Michigan beat us, but it was early in the season. If these other teams could rebound, then we deserve the same credit. Unlike USC, we at least lost to a ranked squad. Again, they had their shot, now they should settle into the Rose Bowl and take on USC or Cal.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Michigan deserves a rematch. I think its obvious that they are the second best team in the nation right now.

The National Championship is to be determined on a NEUTRAL field.

The UM-OSU game we just saw was at HOME for OSU. That has to be worth at least 3 points.

So I agree, Michigan deserves a rematch.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Teams can match up against certain teams better. Michigan had it's crack at Ohio State and they lost. They should not get a 2nd shot. What if they win the 2nd time? Suddenly they're National Champs but didn't even win their conference title? That's a joke.

Actually, its not a joke...the BCS champ is to be determined on a NEUTRAL field. You can't tell me that the Horseshoe is not worth at least 3 points?

 

[Dannyboy Ayers]

Actually, its not a joke...the BCS champ is to be determined on a NEUTRAL field. You can't tell me that the Horseshoe is not worth at least 3 points?

but he has a point that how can you be the best team in the country when you are not the best team in your conference?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

but he has a point that how can you be the best team in the country when you are not the best team in your conference?

Conference is a joke. Conferences mean NOTHING. The BCS NC game is about #1 vs #2. It's not about conference champs. Conferences are for people who want to encourage regional rivalries or make scheduling easier. They are not about proving quality.

UM went into the Horseshoe and played to a 3-point loss. If Michigan beats OSU on a NEUTRAL field, they are clearly the National Champ.

There are no other undefeated teams out there...none. No one in the world has enough of a case to play ahead of Michigan (as it stands). If USC waxes ND, then they might have a gripe...might...but the waxing would need to be brutal.

Florida/Arkansas? Let's see them finish the season. If they do that with their current ONE loss, then I will agree they have those most reasonable gripe.

Michigan has beaten two top 10 teams (one top5) and they played OSU at OSU's house, down to the very wire. They are clearly the #2 team. If they remain that way then they deserve a shot at the title.

 

[VictorsValiant]

Oh my god Svoboda, your little rankings scheme is terrible. The losing early in the year argument never works. A loss is a loss. You are saying that whoever loses the earliest, irrespective of the nature of the loss or to whom, should be the highest. How convenient. There is no way Michigan should be below Nd. Period.

Margin of defeat matters too. USC lost their game by a small margin, as did Florida. This is unlike Arkansas and Nd's defeats. Road defeats are also more forgiving than home defeats, so that doubly hurts Arkansas and Nd.

 

[kjones]

Michigan has beaten two top 10 teams (one top5) and they played OSU at OSU's house, down to the very wire. They are clearly the #2 team. If they remain that way then they deserve a shot at the title.

Who cares? They had a shot and they LOST. And not at the beginning of the season. It was their LAST GAME. There's no way they can get any better. Other schools, however, have lost at the beginning of the season, and can/have gotten better. Besides us, I'd say Arkansas could deserve a shot before scUM, as would Flordia.

Whether you THINK Michigan is better than Arkansas/Florida/ND doesn't matter. You said "they deserve a shot at the title," guess what, you're right. But sorry, they already had it. They lost.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Who cares? They had a shot and they LOST. And not at the beginning of the season. It was their LAST GAME. There's no way they can get any better. Other schools, however, have lost at the beginning of the season, and can/have gotten better. Besides us, I'd say Arkansas could deserve a shot before scUM, as would Flordia.

Whether you THINK Michigan is better than Arkansas/Florida/ND doesn't matter. You said "they deserve a shot at the title," guess what, you're right. But sorry, they already had it. They lost.

They did not have it. It was not a neutral field...it was not a shot at the title. It was, just like EVERYONE ELSE has had a loss to a conference team.

Now, they are 11-1. Just like a number of teams will be. So then look at the quality of wins versus losses. They lost to #1 and have two top10 wins.

Florida can't say that.
Arkansas can't say that.
WVU, Louisville, nor Wisconsin can say that.

If USC beats ND, THEY can say that...except they will have a loss to a lower team. But they would have 4 quality wins.

So, if USC loses to ND...the most qualified team to play OSU is scUM.

 

[BGIF]

Teams can match up against certain teams better. Michigan had it's crack at Ohio State and they lost. They should not get a 2nd shot. ...

In 1943 the AP Poll ended up

1. Notre Dame (9-1)
2. Iowa PreFlight (9-1)
3. Michigan (8-1)
4. Navy (8-1)
5. Purdue (9-0)
6. Great Lakes (10-2)
7. Duke (8-1)
8. Del Monte PreFlight (7-1)
9. Northwestern (6-2)
10. March Field (9-1)
11. Army (7-2-1)
12. Washington (4-1)
13. Georgia Tech (8-3)

By this logic:

#2 Iowa PreFlight couldn't play ND for the NC, they lost to ND while the #2 ranked team 14-13 at ND. Also lost to Great Lakes.
#3 Michigan couldn't play ND as they lost to ND while the #2 ranked team 35-12 in AA. UM also beat #9 NW.
#4 Navy couldn't play ND, they lost to ND while the #3 ranked team 33-6 in Cleveland. Navy beat #7 Duke, #11 Army, and #13 GT.
#9 Northwestern couldn't play ND, they lost to ND while the #8 ranked team 25-6 in Evanston. Also lost to #3 UM but beat #6 Great Lakes
#11 Army couldn't play ND, they lost to ND while the #3 ranked team 26-0 at Yankee Stadium. Also lost to Navy.
#13 Georgia Tech couldn't play ND, they lost to ND 55-13 (shades of USC v Arkansas) at ND. Also lost to Navy and Duke.
#6 Great Lakes actually beat ND in Chicago 19-14 in the last 33 seconds of the game but ND remained #1 on their body of work for the season. Playing 7 of the Top 13 teams in the Final Poll and beating 6.



By your reasoning Iowa PF, Michigan, and Navy as the #2, 3, and 4 teams would be disqualified because they've already played. So ND play the 5th ranked Boilermakers who went 9-0 and beat Great Lakes 23-13. PU was Co-Champion of the Big 10 but didn't play any other ranked team in the Final Poll including the other Big 10 Co-Champion Michigan (whose only loss was to ND). PU had the worst Strength of Schedule (by far) of the Top 6 teams.

Should #1 replay #6 for the title? Although Great Lakes lost to Purdue in the first game of the season the knocked of the Final Poll #1 and #1 teams, ND and Iowa PF.

ND had the toughest SOS an incredible .950

Strength Of Schedule
ND .950
Navy .762
Great Lakes .757
GT .730
NW .720
Iowa PF .620
UM .575
PU .535

There are other years to use as examples this was the best that came to mind.

 

[jiggafini19]

They lost their first game and did not win their conference.

Goodbye Michigan. Enjoy the Rose Bowl.

 

[scooper]

The best chance for ND to get in would have been Michigan upsetting OSU. And most Irish fans were rooting for Michigan for that reason. While the timing would have been different, it would have been a similar scenario. We were chomping at the bit for another chance at UM and the title.

We wouldn't have complained then. I can't complain now if Michigan gets in over the Irish.

That said, I wanted a chance at the title. I can just not make a strong argument for ND over Michigan other than the rematch angle.

 

[jiggafini19]

You can't. The loss was too big, even though it was early.

A one loss Big East, one loss SEC or one loss Pac 10 champ should trump Michigan. This isn't a question of whether Michigan is the second best team. They are. But they lost their conference championship. The way this system is set up, you can't have a team that didn't win their conference play for the title.

Unless it occurs in some type of BRACKET form.