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I have complained about many things this year...they have been very apperant...but I still feel we have a very good team and I for one love them all...yes we will be some what young next year........so what! I have watched several top ten teams that are very young kick butt this year and I do believe we will do the same...I don't expect an undefeated team next year but I surely won't be surprised if we only loose one or two games...
We have a good coach and staff...they are bringing in extremely gifted young men...all will be good in Dome land my brothers
 

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Then add in:
Talley's departure Meh
Quinn can't throw the long ball WHAT?
Walker can't run Backwards maybe
Everybody's slow Speed is the most overrated football factor in the game. NFL scouts will tell you this
The OLine's inconsistent Probably true, at least the interior
The Secondary is the worst we've ever had Nah
The DLine has no pass rush Sometimes
No CB can cover Mike Richardson?
Crum's out of position The most solid player on the defense
We have no LBs No one that will get paid Sunday dollars
The Defensive Scheme Sucks Maybe not, but the big plays sure do
Field Goal Kicker can't kick He's been alright lately, but beyond 40 yards he's shaky
Kickoffs don't reach the endzone I've gotten used to this
Nobody knows how to tackle Past two weeks have been okay
Zbikowski gets sucked in on play action every time If it isn't every time, it's close
Penalties show the lack of discipline Maybe not, but the interior O Linemen might all have the middle name "Holding"
We don't start enough freshman Probably a reason for that. Ask the guy that one all of those WNBA titles with the Patriots
The coaches suck Whoever says this is looped
Minter should be fired Not his biggest fan, but even I don't think this
ND has a cupcake schedule Most teams do, so who they crappin?

No wonder ND's 1-8, right? Remember those days? Weren't all that long ago were they?

Great stuff here.

Remember that Davie and Willingham LOST games. In the last two years, ND has won a lot more than they're lost.

Everyone relax. Aside from a turd third quarter on defense, Notre Dame still won by 19 on Saturday and scored over 40....again.
 
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Svoboda, you talk about the Texas', and USC's, and OSU's having so much depth. Please list for me the depth chart at OSU or Texas and tell me all about the great players they have on their bench pushing for playing time.

Who is Texas' backup qb? Ohio State?

The fact is you are talking out of your butt. You make broad generalizations to defend your point; and your point isn't worth defending.

Never before in the history of ND football has a coach been given a pass in his third year of coaching; until now.

Suddenly, Charlie Weis has raised expectations but in year three we're all going to be OK if we only win seven games.

I just don't understand how we can fire one coach after three years because he didn't win enough, despite him not having the chance to see his first recruiting class play as juniors, but the next coach gets 10 years to prove his worth.

It's funny, year three will be the year where we see if Charlie's guys can play the game.

We expected Willingham's recruits to shine as freshman and sophomores, but we're willing to give Weis' guys a pass? Someone explain that to me.

I thought it was Davieham that lowered our expectations.
 
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Uh oh ! Here it comes, kid.
"You asked for it..you got it. Toyota"
 

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Svoboda, you talk about the Texas', and USC's, and OSU's having so much depth. Please list for me the depth chart at OSU or Texas and tell me all about the great players they have on their bench pushing for playing time.

Who is Texas' backup qb? Ohio State?

The fact is you are talking out of your butt. You make broad generalizations to defend your point; and your point isn't worth defending.

Never before in the history of ND football has a coach been given a pass in his third year of coaching; until now.

Suddenly, Charlie Weis has raised expectations but in year three we're all going to be OK if we only win seven games.

I just don't understand how we can fire one coach after three years because he didn't win enough, despite him not having the chance to see his first recruiting class play as juniors, but the next coach gets 10 years to prove his worth.

It's funny, year three will be the year where we see if Charlie's guys can play the game.

We expected Willingham's recruits to shine as freshman and sophomores, but we're willing to give Weis' guys a pass? Someone explain that to me.

I thought it was Davieham that lowered our expectations.

I think you're exagerating the pass we are willing to give. 7 or 8 wins will be more than Ty's 5. Just as this year has already surpassed Ty's second season. If you don't see a roster made mostly of sophomores and freshmen as a rebuilding season, you simply don't know the game and are looking to ruffle feathers as a Ty apologist.

I'm not going to bash the man. He seems to be headed in the right direction out there and good for him. But to draw the parralels between his three years at ND and what is happening now is ridiculous. It's funny, when both had the same record after 15 games, the media was all over it. Now that Charlie has pulled away, it's earily quiet.

I expect a winning record and decent bowl next year. The only pass I offer is I don't expect a championship caliber team.
 

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Svoboda, you talk about the Texas', and USC's, and OSU's having so much depth. Please list for me the depth chart at OSU or Texas and tell me all about the great players they have on their bench pushing for playing time.

Who is Texas' backup qb? Ohio State?

The fact is you are talking out of your butt. You make broad generalizations to defend your point; and your point isn't worth defending.
I wasn't talking about the QB position, I was mainly keying in on the defensive side of the ball. If you had read the thread, you would have picked up on this. Further, you can go to ESPN, Rivals or whatever site tickles your fancy and see the depth charts. If you're saying that Ohio State, Texas, USC, et al don't have a good defensive rotation and works lots of players into their system, you're not a college football fan.

Never before in the history of ND football has a coach been given a pass in his third year of coaching; until now.
He's 17-4 in two seasons for Christ's sake.

Suddenly, Charlie Weis has raised expectations but in year three we're all going to be OK if we only win seven games.
Do you even follow the Fighting Irish. Your ignorance about our roster is blatantly obvious and leads me to believe you're a troll. Do you see all of the senior leadership we're losing? Likewise, do you see the lack of upperclassmen depth?

I just don't understand how we can fire one coach after three years because he didn't win enough, despite him not having the chance to see his first recruiting class play as juniors, but the next coach gets 10 years to prove his worth.
Sorry John Saunders, but Willingham was 15-10 after two years with the Irish. That's a FAR cry from 17-4. If you can't see that staring at you in black and white, I'm not sure what else can be done to rectify the situation.

It's funny, year three will be the year where we see if Charlie's guys can play the game.
Charlie's guys? He's had ONE recruiting class that's truly his. They will be sophomores next year. If Willingham would have ever put down the 5 iron to recruit, we would never been in the situation we'll be in next season. His recruiting was terrible. Period.

We expected Willingham's recruits to shine as freshman and sophomores, but we're willing to give Weis' guys a pass? Someone explain that to me.

I thought it was Davieham that lowered our expectations.
Weis' guys will be sophomores. You can't seriously think the half Willingham/half Weis recruiting class is pinned on Weis? He has a couple months to recruit after taking over the position. The result was a make shift class of players that wouldn't get an Irish offer if they were high school seniors today.

Additionally, you're proving my point on how bad Willingham was as a coach, unless you're trying to say that Weis had no bearing the development on Quinn, Samardzija, Carlson, et al? I'm not sure which... but it's obvious you're either a Ty apologist or a troll. Next time, how about backing up some of your statements with facts or statistics?
 

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Ty is gone. His recruits suck. Excuses are for losers. Just get out there and win. The poodle rebuit a broken program out here at sc and did it with superior recruiting and good coaching. He also won when he was doing it. Charlie is an excellent coach, he can recruit, and ND is an excellent platform to do it from. If ND needs to win with freshman and sophomores then they will just have to do it.

Carroll didn't come into a program lacking most of two classes. His predecessor had trouble winning but wasn't inept at recruiting. He had talent in all classes. Carroll also was able to bring JUCOs, transfers, and accept players ND Admissions would even consider. Carroll had to win on the field which Hackett didn't do. Carroll didn't have to rebuild a recruiting program from the ground up. All Weis found when he arrived recruitingwise was a calendar full of tee times.

ND will have to win with freshman and sophomores. Thank you for grasping the point the original poster made.

If people are unhappy with an 8-1 performance with as many holes as there were starting this season they need to get off now. The going will be rougher next year without senior leadership and mature, developed linemen on both sides of the ball.
 

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all them little sayings are very true " it gets worse before it gets better "
 

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Svoboda, you talk about the Texas', and USC's, and OSU's having so much depth. Please list for me the depth chart at OSU or Texas and tell me all about the great players they have on their bench pushing for playing time.

Who is Texas' backup qb? Ohio State?

The fact is you are talking out of your butt. You make broad generalizations to defend your point; and your point isn't worth defending.

Never before in the history of ND football has a coach been given a pass in his third year of coaching; until now.

Suddenly, Charlie Weis has raised expectations but in year three we're all going to be OK if we only win seven games.

I just don't understand how we can fire one coach after three years because he didn't win enough, despite him not having the chance to see his first recruiting class play as juniors, but the next coach gets 10 years to prove his worth.

It's funny, year three will be the year where we see if Charlie's guys can play the game.

We expected Willingham's recruits to shine as freshman and sophomores, but we're willing to give Weis' guys a pass? Someone explain that to me.

I thought it was Davieham that lowered our expectations.

Did you change your handle, victor?

The fact is you are talking out of your butt. You make broad generalizations to defend your point; and your point isn't worth defending.

Butt talking appears to be your only point.

Never before in the history of ND football has a coach been given a pass in his third year of coaching; until now.

You want to back that up with a quote from somebody here? Where did anyone, much less Svoboda, say Weis gets a pass for next? You introduced that phrase, buttbreath.

I just don't understand how we can fire one coach after three years because he didn't win enough, despite him not having the chance to see his first recruiting class play as juniors, but the next coach gets 10 years to prove his worth.

Under Weis ND has won 8 game or more back to back for the first time since '95 and '96 in the Holtz Era. With a win over Air Force Saturday ND will have won 9 games back to back for the first time since '92 and '93. He's done more in 2 years than any coach has at ND in more than a dozen years.

Willingham was ranked in the Top 25 in 16 of his 36 polls. Weis has been ranked in every poll but the preseason poll of his first year.

Willingham was ranked in the The Top 10, 8 times. Weis has taken ND there 12 times already in 15 fewer games.

Holtz had a rebuilding year in '94 paying the price for less than stellar recruiting after the Cerrato years.

Parshegian had a rebuilding year in '72. Two of the worst beatings in ND history came in his 9th season.

ND will pay the price in '07 for not firing Willingham sooner. Weis will make the most of what he has. And IF ND under Weis does go 7-5 in '07, his worst year will have been a typical one under Willingham. And the following seasons will look brighter not more dismal like they did under Willingham.
 

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Teams like Purdue and Syracuse were kicking ND's ass very recently. Elite teams were blanking ND and beating them by four or five scores. Suddenly the tables turn in 21 games under CW.

I recall thinking what a mess things were two and three years ago. we're winning games here, peeps.

As for next season, I expect to see a lot of Walker and Aldridge, a lot of tight ends catching the ball and a lot of good coaching. I expect a young offensive line that will struggle at times, but they'll make up for a lack of experience with raw talent and NASTY neanderthal football aggressiveness.

I like where this football program is going. If you look at these last two years with reason and objective thought, you'll see that expectations will build each year little by little. I'll take a one loss team heading into November every year. I like those odds.
 
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liverpool has to be a troll. No self-respecting Irish fan can honestly say the CW hasn't brought the program to a higher level. He is still getting it done academically. He is still building better men. The same things Ty did. The difference is CW wins on Saturday. I loved Ty as the ND coach too, but if CW can do the same things AND win, well I'll take that option.

You want to blame someone for Ty getting fired? Blame Urban Meyer. Ty would't get fired if Meyer wasn't available. I'd rather thank Meyer for not taking the job. I'll take CW anyday.
 
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"If you look at these last two years with reason and objective thought"

Here in lies the problem with a lot of people Jiggs. Most people are capable of reason, but objective thought isn't the most common ability. I couldn't agree with you more.
 

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Hey, I'd like to see less points, yards, big plays...but the bottom line is that the victories are piling up in the win column, not the moral one.

The pundits may have over ranked ND in the preseason, but they have one loss to a team that is unbeaten right now. They have been left for dead in two other games only to find ways to win them. SC never got lucky during their little 3 year run? Come on.

4 losses in two years to MSU in OT by 3, SC with Leinart and Bush, Ohio State and this year #2 Michigan. The Irish can score on anyone. They spread the ball all over the field. The 06 defense is improved from 2005's unit.

Come on!!

They don't play MAC schools and they don't play I-AAs, so enjoy every win regardless of who they play. Damn, 2004 might seem like a long time ago but it really wasn't. The arrow is pointing up, everyone!!
 
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Hey, I'd like to see less points, yards, big plays...but the bottom line is that the victories are piling up in the win column, not the moral one.

The pundits may have over ranked ND in the preseason, but they have one loss to a team that is unbeaten right now. They have been left for dead in two other games only to find ways to win them. SC never got lucky during their little 3 year run? Come on.

4 losses in two years to MSU in OT by 3, SC with Leinart and Bush, Ohio State and this year #2 Michigan. The Irish can score on anyone. They spread the ball all over the field. The 06 defense is improved from 2005's unit.

Come on!!

They don't play MAC schools and they don't play I-AAs, so enjoy every win regardless of who they play. Damn, 2004 might seem like a long time ago but it really wasn't. The arrow is pointing up, everyone!!

Now that's what I'm talking about! You can't argue with the facts. Let the haters overscrutinize the Irish. Let the Irish fans enjoy the wins.
 

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Now that's what I'm talking about! You can't argue with the facts. Let the haters overscrutinize the Irish. Let the Irish fans enjoy the wins.

Yeah Jigg, I have to agree with you. The football program has come a long way in two years. Watching ND play football (Post Holtz/Pre Weis) was like watching paint dry. It was painful. Inept coaching was at a surplus during those years (ie-horrible play-calling, lack of preparation, no adjustments, losing games you should win). I don't know how many times I watched a coach call a play that had been stopped the first 5 times it was ran only to run it again for no gain. If a play isn't working, Weis stops calling it. He goes for it on 4th and 5. He's a great coach. Willingham was a great guy, but he can't hold a candle to Charlie. I don't ever recalling us being 8-1 and complaining that we only won by 19 points when Willingham was the coach. It didn't happen. We were getting plastered by FSU, Michigan, Syracuse (?????), and USC. Some of the worst beatings in school history. If Willingham were coaching we would easily be 5-4. There's no way we come back against UCLA or MSU. Willingham didn't have the guts to be aggressive and try to get his team back in the game. Charlie sees the game may slip? Hell, we're going for it. 4th and 9? What is the punt team doing? Get back on the sideline!! Pass to Carlson......1st down!! That's what I'm talking about!!! We're 8-1. I haven't seen that since high school/early college days. He's a better coach. Period.
 

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They don't play MAC schools and they don't play I-AAs, so enjoy every win regardless of who they play. Damn, 2004 might seem like a long time ago but it really wasn't. The arrow is pointing up, everyone!!

I agree in general with your sentiments, but I just can't let the MAC crack slide....

No MAC schools, but all three service academies and two other teams (Stanford and NC) ranked in the bottom ten of D1-A by ESPN.
 

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I agree in general with your sentiments, but I just can't let the MAC crack slide....

No MAC schools, but all three service academies and two other teams (Stanford and NC) ranked in the bottom ten of D1-A by ESPN.
Are you say the MAC schools are as tought as any ACC/Pac 10 school?
 

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He's 17-4 in two seasons for Christ's sake.
This is a great point....I think it was Colin Cowherd who I heard a week or so ago talking about this. Look at who "Weis" has lost to:

USC - Defending national champs, ended up playing in the NC game
OSU - Currently #1 and one of the favorites to go to this year's NC game
UM - Currently #2 and one of the other favorites to go to this year's NC game
MSU - Probably the most unforgiveable of the 4. And even at that, a nice comeback only to lose in OT.

How can anyone really be that critical of the job that the coach has done? What, because they've pulled out some tight ones? I don't recall anyone holding that against USC during either of their 2 NC seasons. Is ND somehow different?
 
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ND would be about 4th in the Big Ten this year.

ND is 3-1 this year against the Big Ten, but they didn't get to play powerhouses Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Minnesota and the perennial underachievers Iowa.

Face it dude, Michigan and OSU are great but the rest of the Big Ten is nothing special.

Interested to see who you have at 3 since I assume UM & OSU are #1.
 

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ND is 3-1 this year against the Big Ten, but they didn't get to play powerhouses Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Minnesota and the perennial underachievers Iowa.

Face it dude, Michigan and OSU are great but the rest of the Big Ten is nothing special.

Interested to see who you have at 3 since I assume UM & OSU are #1.

Wisconsin, of course. 9-1, #15 in the BCS standings. Like ND, they have one loss, to Michigan. If ND played the Badgers, I'm not sure who'd win. I'd call it a toss-up.
 

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Wisconsin, of course. 9-1, #15 in the BCS standings. Like ND, they have one loss, to Michigan. If ND played the Badgers, I'm not sure who'd win. I'd call it a toss-up.
So they'd be fighting for 3rd place then....not 4th.
 
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ND would be about 4th in the Big Ten this year.

Behind Wisconsin? I don't know about that...

Edit: Didn't see you already said that...

It would be a good game, no doubt. But I don't think it is fair to put them decisively behind Wisconsin. Also, yes, ND would be tied for third THIS year...

For that matter, so would Florida, Texas, Auburn, Lousiville, USC, etc...
 

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i was going to respond to this, but i realized that maison is right. wisconsin and ND would probably be a dead heat. It'd be a good game. technically, fighting for 3rd, but the top 3 of the big 10 are pretty strong this year.
 

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Wisconsin 2006 Football Schedule/Results

Date Opponent Result/Time Record/Tickets TV
September 2 at Bowling Green W 35-14 1-0 (0-0)
September 9 Western Illinois W 34-10 2-0 (0-0)
September 16 San Diego State W 14-0 3-0 (0-0)
September 23 at No. 6 Michigan L 27-13 3-1 (0-1)
September 30 at Indiana W 52-17 4-1 (1-1)
October 7 Northwestern W 41-9 5-1 (2-1)
October 14 Minnesota W 48-12 6-1 (3-1)
October 21 at Purdue W 24-3 7-1 (4-1)
October 28 Illinois W 30-24 8-1 (5-1)
November 4 Penn State W 13-3 9-1 (6-1)
November 11 at Iowa 12:00 PM ET Tickets
November 18 Buffalo TBA Tickets

only michigan, purdue, and penn state have winning records. Purdue and PSU are at 6-4
 
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ND would be about 4th in the Big Ten this year.

ND would be no worse than 3rd in the Big 10 this year, and I think Wisconsin is a darn good football team. OSU is lucky they don't have to play them. All of that being said, I would love a rematch with either of the teams that handed ND their last two losses, NC game or not.
 

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I agree in general with your sentiments, but I just can't let the MAC crack slide....

No MAC schools, but all three service academies and two other teams (Stanford and NC) ranked in the bottom ten of D1-A by ESPN.

I couldn't let this comment slide. Those 5 teams are about as inept as the bottom 5 of the Big 10 +1. It's OSU and Michigan and then your league is loaded with teams that go from very mediocre (Purdue, Minnesota, Indiana) to downright abysmal (ie-Illinois, Northwestern). And now we're taking subjective polls created by ESPN to discuss strength of schedule? Yeah whatever. Wisconsin and ND would be a good game. I think ND would be a solid 3rd place in the Big 10 this year. I think a lot of teams in the nation would be 3rd in the Big 10 this year.
 
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