Kerry: War hero or moron?

[TheIrishHammer]

Or both?

Plus, was he directing his comments at Bush or the troops in Iraq?

 

[NDAlumSon]

Moron who is a veteran. Hero is overused in our modern American vernacular.
Directed at Bush but he misspoke.
He can never quibble with Bush's malapropisms ever again.
Plus, he's a Boston brahmin bunghole.

 

[maison bleu]

Both

 

[irishtexan]

I dont think Kerry is a moron, what he said was moronic. I admire him for his service in Vietnam but I think he really needs to watch what he says. It does not matter that he said what he did, anyone from the democratic party could have said it and the Republicans (I am one by the way) would have jumped down their throat for it. But the way he said it makes it sound like he is calling our military a bunch of uneducated f*cks who have to resort to the military. When I was coming out of high school the military was my first choice.

 

[Greatdome34]

War

War

hero. George W. Bush is the moron..

 

[marv81s]

I'll take it a step further, he is a f'n moron. He cannot have it both ways, he cannot make a statement like, "our troops are terrorizing iraqi's in the dead of night, etc," and then say he has the upmost respect for them.

He looked like a total dipshit today and myself, as a marine, don't buy his lip service bullshit speech today and his phony rage one bit. Guy is a disgrace to the military uniform, him and Murtha.

 

[BGIF]

Interesting that in his two step, he said it was a joke gone bad.

Really, a joke? I thought Democrats were serious about Bush's handling of the war. So Senator you weren't actually taking a shot at the President, you were just joshin' him? Right!

Flustered Flip Flop continues.

I'm a registered Independent, the vote you're trying to sway turkey.

 

[onenybrother]

Thank's Kerry, one less person for Hillary to worry about. Damn this gonna be easy.

 

[BLUETHUNDER]

I hate Kerry. I respect his service despite what others say he still served.

But I seriously doubt that they (Democrats) are rooting for the troops in this Iraq thing so long as Bush is in power. They see the troops as amo to attack Bush.

It is sad that the Iraq thing is going to dictate these next elections because the economy is doing AWESOME, and we are starting to actually close the borders but the media does not give a ####.

 

[MAS]

It is sad that the Iraq thing is going to dictate these next elections because the economy is doing AWESOME, and we are starting to actually close the borders but the media does not give a ####.

The message just isn't getting out on the border. Even though we don't have the electrified fence yet, the Texas National Guard has been stationed on the border. I've heard that 1500 Guard members, or roughly two per mile, are stationed and we've allowed them to be armed. At this point, we haven't given them bullets, but that's superfluous. The mere presence of the weapon is sufficient and if we can save some money at the same time, it's all good. The important thing is that we're doing something substantial and aren't resorting to crass pandering on the border issue.

 

[marv81s]

I don't believe he deserves to be called a "hero". Didn't we find out during the last election that there were fabrications and exaggerations about his military service. This f'n guy knew from a young age what he was going to do with his life and, I believe, served in the military solely for politcal reasons. Let's not forget what this "hero" did when he got back from Vietnam, sold his fellow soldiers out by his stunt in Washington. Our enemy used that speech he gave in front of Congress against them and those POW's went through hell thanks in large part to that speech. Then he stated that he was so against what he did he through his medals out, but they are hanging in his office. F**K this guy, he's a piece of shit. Can't believe the state of Massachuesetts has kept this guy and that other fat piece of shit Kennedy, murduring prick, in office as long as they have. Kerry is a f'n disgrace!

 

[IrishCPA]

Or both?

Plus, was he directing his comments at Bush or the troops in Iraq?

He is a F**king MORON.....

 

[NDAlumSon]

This f'n guy knew from a young age what he was going to do with his life and, I believe, he served in the military solely for politcal reasons.

Exactly right, marv !! He needed it on his resume, that's all. Reps to you.
I feel bad for his boatmates who had to listen to this blowhard day after day while wondering if, when the time came, his balls would be as big as his mouth.

 

[lattedatte]

Both, what he said was idiotic.... It's a shame that he is one of the leaders of the dem. party. I also think anyone that serves in the military is a hero, regardless of their intentions.

I hate politics, no wait I hate politicians!!!

 

[guff]

This about sums it up

 

[WalshND]

I personally spent a year in Iraq, and I found his comment yesterday insulting! Some of this countries best and brightest are serving in the armed forces. I for one don't think he misspoke, any more than he did when he accused us of terrorizing woman and children in the dead of night.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I don't believe he deserves to be called a "hero". Didn't we find out during the last election that there were fabrications and exaggerations about his military service.

11 men out of 12 on the boat say he is a hero. The man he pulled out of the water is pretty specific about it.

The man is a hero. But like Bush he can be a moron too.

 

[marv81s]

I'm not going to change my mind, there were more in his unit that have spoken out against Kerry than for him. Even some of his commanding officers. Point is, Kerry had a Freudian slip, he is and always will be anti-military. I don't give a flying f**k if he is a vet, so am I and would think a very large majority of vets feel the same way I do about him, especially those that served in Vietnam. The whole point of his very briefe military career was political from the get go. Check his voting record on military spending and development of weapons. He is a f'n piece of garbage. Nothing else, all you have to do is look at his disgraceful testimony in front of Congress that was used to persecute american POWs.

Bush may not come across as the brightest President we have ever have, but at least I know what he believes in and I don't have to wear boots around him. Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Kennedy, have to make sure you don't step in s**t when they are talking to you.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I'm not going to change my mind, there were more in his unit that have spoken out against Kerry than for him.

The men who served in action with him during firefights say otherwise. Men in his unit who NEVER SAW him under fire say he is not.

Who do I believe? The man in the firefight? Or some jackass not even near the action?

As for the commanding officers talking trash about him...well, they should not have given him such glowing reviews if they disagreed. But at the time they thought differently. Politics changed their minds and memories. They have zero credibility.

 

[marv81s]

They have zero credibility.

So does Kerry now, less now than he did two years ago.

 

[Aerosmith777]

My vote is for both.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

They have zero credibility.

The men on his boat (all but one) agree he is a hero...they have all the credibility in the world when it comes to relating the stories/actions/heroism. The others do not.

So does Kerry now, less now than he did two years ago.

I am no fan of his and politically I don't want to see him run for President again. Leave him in Massachussetts...he's fine for his people but he's not representative of the US in general. (nor is Bush)

I would prefer a moderate. Bill Richardson or maybe Giuliani or Evan Bayh.

Richardson has much better credentials though and his work as governor has been nothing short of amazing.

 

[marv81s]

anyone that has served in a combat situation knows that they would never speak bad about their fellow serviceman in a public environment. I have served with men in difficult circumstances and would never bad mouth them to anyone else, but face to face or to others in that were in the same unit that also are fellow squad and/or platoon members, we would rip them apart. Point is, I am sure that all of these guys have a strong sense of comradity and loyalty to Kerry and that bond will never be broken. I think his COs gave him those reviews (and we all know that 2 of his purple hearts were bullshit, that came out in the election, one "wound" was compared to a papercut for GOD's sake), because they needed officers in a bad way. I have seen NCOs when I was in give people rave reviews when they knew the person truely didn't deserve it, I never understood why. If I thought the guy was a shitbag, you got the marks of a shitbag.

I am not sure who I would vote for in '08. Republicans better find a good candidate somewhere or, GOD help us, its gonna be Billary all over again.

 

[tgolden]

Obama.

 

[BGIF]

Obama.

Obama's well spoken and a pretty face, the JFK charm, is there anything more?

He gave a nice speech at the last convention but I hardly think a speech qualifies you as the leader of the world's only superpower.

 

[tgolden]

I hardly think being governor of texas qualifies you as the leader of the world's only super power. stuff happens. honestly, what does qualify someone as the leader of the world's only super power? I think you should know a little about the world for starters. senator, governor, VP... all have become presidents before.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Obama's well spoken and a pretty face, the JFK charm, is there anything more?

He gave a nice speech at the last convention but I hardly think a speech qualifies you as the leader of the world's only superpower.

I agree that he is light on experience to say the least, but then I don't see others in the lead who do have it.

Here are the Republican leaders:
http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08rep.htm

Giuliani? He was mayor...blah
McCain? Maybe, good senator & foreign policy exposure. (he and I disagree on a lot, but he's respectable)
Gingrich? Formerly a jackass who seems to have turned a corner. He deserves some time to be heard.
Mitt Romney? Gov for a term. And a business man? Governement is not a business and should not be run as such. However, he's a Republican in a liberal state. That tells me he might be towards the center. I would like to hear more from him.
Bill Frist? Please. He's an idiot.
George Pataki? Maybe. I am no big fan, but it would be interesting to hear his National Views.
George Allen? Same as Pataki.
Sam Brownback? Nut case. He should be locked away in a mental institution with Pelsoi.

Here are the Democrat leaders:
http://www.pollingreport.com/WH08dem.htm
Hillary Clinton? 1 term senator. Votes like centrist. But everyone thinks it's an act. However, I would need to hear her platform before I took her seriously.
Obama? Young and inexperienced. Makes me nervous.
Gore? He's not in consideration, but might be pretty good since he finally got that stick out of his butt.
John Edwards? Too slick for me. Has some good experience, but I don't trust him.
Kerry? Like Gore, he's a distraction...he puts his foot in his mouth. I want him to go away.
Evan Bayh? I am a fan. He's a true centrist. Lots of tremendous experience.
Joe Biden? A bit old, but a great pick in many ways. He is smart and level headed...and very experienced.
Russ Fiengold? A maverick like McCain. Not sure what his national views are, would need to hear more from him.
Bill Richardson? Best choice for me. He's pro-business, anti-corruption, lots of foreign policy experience, he's smart, articulate, electable, and respected throughout the world. Read up on how he has shaken the corruption in New Mexico to its foundations...he's more impressive than people realize.
Vilasack? Gov. Not sure his national views. Need to hear more.
Mark Warner? Like Vilasack...I would need to hear more.

 

[chadder20]

Number one rule in sales is NEVER talk down your competition; ALWAYS talk you and your product up. Where was this lost in politics? Although Kerry is a vet, he really just ought to take his sore losing ass home and pout where no one can see him. The real sad part is here we are in 2006, and the dems are doing nothing but campaigning already. Obama and Kerry haven’t spent the majority of their time at their job. Obarraks mama is selling his book and has been on tour since being elected, and now he is the next president? Kerry is too busy pouting and hiding his name in the big dig project so he can’t get in trouble there. These jackasses need to do what they were elected to do, not write books and pout. At least Gore waited until after he lost to write his book.

 

[Bubba]

Here is my rant - skip over it if you like

Here is my rant - skip over it if you like

Hero? I'm not sure. I honestly don't know his circumstance while he was in. Moron? He's a politician and right now a lot of them seem to be leaning that way. If they could quit bad mouthing each other for 15 F'n minutes, maybe we could accomplish something. He made a huge mistake, and every mistake made by a public figure is magnified. He played the politics game and put his big ass foot in his mouth. The Republicans calling for his apology are playing politics, too. They know he did not intend to say (in public anyway) that the military is full of stupid people. There are way too many people in this country who are pro-military for a politician to make that statemnt in public even if they believe it to be true. I'm not sure there are many politicians out there that one could truly believe everything they say. Too many of these "leaders" are fence-sitters in public and have there own agendas in private.

Back to the hero thing. I spent 20 years serving my country in the USAF. I spent a year in Saudi Arabia and 2 years in Korea. I made some sacrafices, but I can honestly tell you that I don't feel like a hero. I feel proud to have served and I am greatly appreciative to those who have and are still serving our country.

So, after my rant, I guess I feel like one of those "fence-sitters". He can be both, but there is a large population that could fit in that category. But, would I like him to just shut up? Absolutely.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Hero? I'm not sure. I honestly don't know his circumstance while he was in.

Here's his military background:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_kerry#Military_service_.281966.E2.80.931970.29