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<TABLE class=cnnTMbox cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=cnnIEBoxTitle>That has a graduation rate higher than 90%.

Graduation rates for Top 25 football teams

</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnTMcontent><TABLE class=cnnTM cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=cnnIEHdrRowBG><TD class=cnnIEColHdrC>School</TD><TD class=cnnIEColHdrC>Graduation percentage</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>1. Ohio State</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>55</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>2. Auburn</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>63</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>3. Southern Cal</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>55</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>4. West Virginia</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>63</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>5. Florida</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>80</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>6. Michigan</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>71</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>7. Texas</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>40</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>8. Louisville</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>53</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>9. LSU</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>49</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>10. Georgia</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>41</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>11. Virginia Tech</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>74</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>12. Notre Dame</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>95</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>13. Iowa</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>64</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>14. Oregon</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>59</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>15. Tennessee</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>58</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>16. Oklahoma</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>52</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>17. Texas Christian</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>78</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>18. Clemson</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>77</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>19. Florida State</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>52</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>20. California</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>44</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>21. Nebraska</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>88</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>22. Boise State</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>65</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>23. Rutgers</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>58</TD></TR><TR><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>24. Georgia Tech</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>55</TD></TR><TR class=cnnIERowAltBG><TD class=cnnIEColTxtL>25. Missouri</TD><TD class=cnnIEColTxtC>53</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) -- An overall increase of 1 percentage point in graduation rates might not seem significant. NCAA president Myles Brand disagrees.

For the second straight year, the NCAA released figures showing more than more three-quarters of college athletes, 77 percent, graduate within six years, a slight increase over last year's 76 percent.

"One percent is good, very good," Brand said Wednesday when the NCAA released new figures on the graduation success rate. "Most importantly, if you look at all the trends in each subgroup, we're seeing equal or better trend lines."

The study included 93,000 Division I athletes, almost all on scholarship, who entered college from 1996 to 1999.

All sports, regardless of gender, had higher graduation rates under the NCAA's formula than those calculated under federal guidelines. The difference in the totals is a result of the NCAA now including transfers in graduation rates, something the federal numbers do not take into account. Brand said the distinction is that the federal study misses about 35 percent of athletes, which is why only about 68,000 athletes were included in the federal numbers.

This is the second year the NCAA has released its own data. Athletes in 35 sports -- 17 men's and 18 women's -- were evaluated. Graduation among male athletes increased from 69 percent to 70 percent, while female athletes remained at 86 percent for a second year.

As usual, men's basketball, football and baseball were the lowest-ranked sports.
But NCAA officials even took solace in those numbers, pointing out graduation rates in football have been steadily increasing.

"If you look at the year-by-year studies for football and men's basketball over the last five years, we're very pleased with the steady academic performance from '95 to '99," NCAA vice president Kevin Lennon said.

Brand attributed the increases to a series of academic reforms that have already been put in place and believes the trend can continue if more academic measures are approved.
His goal is to reach 80 percent overall rate in the next five years, a number Brand calls a realistic challenge.

"A move from 76 to 77 percent doesn't sound like much, but when you get these high numbers, it is of consequence," he said. "But good enough is never good enough, and I believe we can stretch it even further."

Men's basketball again had the worst graduation rate of any sport, 59 percent, but the NCAA number was much higher than the federal figure (45 percent). Baseball and football were the next lowest, with both showing 65 percent of athletes graduate. The federal numbers showed football with a 55 percent graduation rate and baseball at 46 percent.

Conversely, 82 percent of women's basketball players graduated, 17 percentage points higher than the federal number. But that was the third lowest rate on the women's side.
Like the overall number, football and men's and women's basketball both showed 1 percentage point gains over 2005. Baseball's number held steady.

Among The Associated Press' Top 25 football teams, five schools met or exceeded the national average with Notre Dame leading the way at 95 percent. The others were Nebraska at 88 percent, Florida at 80 percent, TCU at 78 percent and Clemson at 77. The NCAA's figure for Florida nearly doubled the 42 percent rate from the federal report.

Three of the Top 25 schools had graduation rates below 50 percent. They were Texas (40 percent), Georgia (41) and California (44).

Top-ranked Ohio State and Southern California, the 2004 national champion, both came in at 55 percent.

Last season's national basketball champion, Florida, received a perfect 100 percent from the NCAA, while last year's women's basketball champion, Maryland, was at 71 percent.

"The good news is we are continuing to make overall progress," Brand said. "The trend lines are up and, with a few exceptions, the academic reforms we are continuing to lay, even in sports like football and basketball which historically lag, are showing progress."

Sports with the highest percentage of graduates were all on the women's side: fencing, field hockey, gymnastics and skiing all had a 94 percent graduation rate. Women's lacrosse was next at 93 percent, and women's swimming was 91 percent. Only one sport, women's bowling, produced a number lower than the national average -- 70 percent.
No men's sport topped 90 percent.

The highest rated men's sports were skiing (89 percent), lacrosse (88 percent), fencing (87 percent), gymnastics (86 percent) and water polo (85 percent). Men's ice hockey, men's swimming and men's tennis also topped 80 percent.

Eighteen of the sports equaled the national improvement with a 1 percentage point increase over last year. Six sports showed no change. Only four sports -- men's and women's lacrosse, men's water polo and women's bowling had lower graduation rates. Both lacrosse teams dropped by 1 percentage point, while men's water polo and women's bowling each had 2-point decreases.

Women's rifle, which improved from 73 percent to 78 percent, had the largest one-year gain. Men's ice hockey and men's skiing were next with 4-point increases followed by wrestling, which went from 66 percent to 69 percent.

The NCAA plans to release overall graduation rates for each school later this year.

Source: SI.com
 

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I love our reputation has an academically superior school

BUT at the same time we haven't won a bowl game in what 13 years? :(
 
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I think the original post would be much more interesting and have more meaning if the schools grad rate for the genral student body was alslo listed.

After all, if the school on whole only graduates 65% of th student body, then a 55% for athletes doesn't look so bad. But if the school graduates 80% of the studebt body and only 55% of the atheltes, now there's a problem.

Does anyone have that data?
 
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The highest rated men's sports were skiing (89 percent)

This surprises the hell out of me !
Skiers are some of the dumbest people I've ever known. (See Bode Miller)
And I should know, I've been skiing since I was 3+1,........yeah that's it, 4.
 

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I think the original post would be much more interesting and have more meaning if the schools grad rate for the genral student body was alslo listed.

After all, if the school on whole only graduates 65% of th student body, then a 55% for athletes doesn't look so bad. But if the school graduates 80% of the studebt body and only 55% of the atheltes, now there's a problem.

Does anyone have that data?

I was just about to make exactly the same point. I'm guessing Florida's 80% for football players higher than for undergrads as a whole. On the other side of the coin, USC's overall has to be above 55%.
 

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http://www.collegeresults.org/searc...097,110635,178396,181464,142115,139755,186380

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Report</TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Main</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Grad Rate</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>State</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Median
SAT</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Pct Pell</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Pct UR
Min</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Size</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Sector</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Student
Related
Expenditures
/ FTE</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD style="COLOR: white" noWrap align=middle><TABLE style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: arial" width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=2>Carnegie
Class</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left>
</TD><TD vAlign=center align=right> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Notre Dame</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>95.7</TD><TD noWrap>IN</TD><TD noWrap>1,375</TD><TD noWrap>9.2</TD><TD noWrap>12.6</TD><TD noWrap>8,317</TD><TD noWrap>Private</TD><TD noWrap>$24,210</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of California-Berkeley</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>86.6</TD><TD noWrap>CA</TD><TD noWrap>1,315</TD><TD noWrap>33.8</TD><TD noWrap>14.7</TD><TD noWrap>22,141</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$17,827</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Michigan-Ann Arbor</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>86.6</TD><TD noWrap>MI</TD><TD noWrap>1,280</TD><TD noWrap>13.6</TD><TD noWrap>13</TD><TD noWrap>24,125</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$19,409</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Southern California</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>82.1</TD><TD noWrap>CA</TD><TD noWrap>1,350</TD><TD noWrap>21.4</TD><TD noWrap>20.2</TD><TD noWrap>16,009</TD><TD noWrap>Private</TD><TD noWrap>$24,117</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Florida</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>78.4</TD><TD noWrap>FL</TD><TD noWrap>1,260</TD><TD noWrap>24.4</TD><TD noWrap>21.3</TD><TD noWrap>31,887</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$12,167</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Virginia Polytechnic Institute And Stat</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>74.4</TD><TD noWrap>VA</TD><TD noWrap>1,195</TD><TD noWrap>13.8</TD><TD noWrap>7.9</TD><TD noWrap>20,936</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$8,787</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>The University Of Texas At Austin</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>74.3</TD><TD noWrap>TX</TD><TD noWrap>1,225</TD><TD noWrap>20.7</TD><TD noWrap>19.5</TD><TD noWrap>35,051</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$10,419</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Georgia</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>72.4</TD><TD noWrap>GA</TD><TD noWrap>1,205</TD><TD noWrap>14</TD><TD noWrap>6.5</TD><TD noWrap>23,417</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$7,915</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Clemson University</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>72.4</TD><TD noWrap>SC</TD><TD noWrap>1,205</TD><TD noWrap>14.8</TD><TD noWrap>8</TD><TD noWrap>13,356</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$9,873</TD><TD noWrap>Research High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Georgia Institute Of Technology-Main Ca</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>71.9</TD><TD noWrap>GA</TD><TD noWrap>1,325</TD><TD noWrap>14.5</TD><TD noWrap>10.9</TD><TD noWrap>10,999</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$13,157</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Rutgers University-New Brunswick</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>71.4</TD><TD noWrap>NJ</TD><TD noWrap>1,195</TD><TD noWrap>26</TD><TD noWrap>16.9</TD><TD noWrap>25,215</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD style="COLOR: gray" noWrap>N/A</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Missouri-Columbia</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>67.8</TD><TD noWrap>MO</TD><TD noWrap>1,165</TD><TD noWrap>17</TD><TD noWrap>7.8</TD><TD noWrap>19,983</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$9,446</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Texas Christian University</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>66.8</TD><TD noWrap>TX</TD><TD noWrap>1,160</TD><TD noWrap>15.3</TD><TD noWrap>11.7</TD><TD noWrap>6,843</TD><TD noWrap>Private</TD><TD noWrap>$14,498</TD><TD noWrap>Doctoral/Research</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>University Of Iowa</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>66.2</TD><TD noWrap>IA</TD><TD noWrap>1,125</TD><TD noWrap>17.7</TD><TD noWrap>4.9</TD><TD noWrap>18,631</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$12,784</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Florida State University</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>65.5</TD><TD noWrap>FL</TD><TD noWrap>1,165</TD><TD noWrap>26.3</TD><TD noWrap>22.8</TD><TD noWrap>27,870</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$7,286</TD><TD noWrap>Research Very High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; BORDER-LEFT-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-BOTTOM-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-TOP-COLOR: #e0e0e0; FONT-FAMILY: arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0e0e0; BORDER-RIGHT-COLOR: #e0e0e0" nowrap="nowrap"><TD align=middle> </TD><TD noWrap>Auburn University Main Campus</TD><TD style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #b7b7d9" noWrap>65</TD><TD noWrap>AL</TD><TD noWrap>1,125</TD><TD noWrap>15.7</TD><TD noWrap>9.2</TD><TD noWrap>17,911</TD><TD noWrap>Public</TD><TD noWrap>$9,251</TD><TD noWrap>Research High</TD></TR><TR style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; 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I think the original post would be much more interesting and have more meaning if the schools grad rate for the genral student body was alslo listed.

After all, if the school on whole only graduates 65% of th student body, then a 55% for athletes doesn't look so bad. But if the school graduates 80% of the studebt body and only 55% of the atheltes, now there's a problem.

Does anyone have that data?
I posted the data, however, comparing it to the general student body isn't a good measure as many state schools are going to have a high number of dropouts.
 

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i think the other thing that you have to take into consideration is how many students from USC leave early to go after the NFL dream and have made it. leaving as a junior might hurt the stats. and man did Clarret mess up Ohio's grad rate! HAHAHAHAHA lol
 

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I wonder what the stat is for players in the nfl that get into off the field issues and drug problems. If it had to be broken down by school who would have the most?
 

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Nice to see Rutgers is really churning them out at 58%...So they're football program's been horrendous for decades AND they don't graduate their players...what the hell do they do w/ my tax dollars at that school?
 

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I think the original post would be much more interesting and have more meaning if the schools grad rate for the genral student body was alslo listed.

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Does anyone have that data?

From the article above:
... The NCAA plans to release overall graduation rates for each school later this year.

Source: SI.com
 

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I was just about to make exactly the same point. I'm guessing Florida's 80% for football players higher than for undergrads as a whole. On the other side of the coin, USC's overall has to be above 55%.


UF, USC, and CAL all graduate around 80%, plus or minus, of the overall student body according to the 2005 Report on the NCAA site.
 
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i think the other thing that you have to take into consideration is how many students from USC leave early to go after the NFL dream and have made it. leaving as a junior might hurt the stats. and man did Clarret mess up Ohio's grad rate! HAHAHAHAHA lol

The NCAA no longer includes those who leave early, or transfer to other schools. So it's really pathetic.
 
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UF really at 80%. That's flattens me, I thought it would be much much lower. What's the catch here? Degrees in underwater marine basket weaving?
 

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Here's the original data sorted in descending order based on grad rates. I added a 3rd column to show the actual number of grads for a football recruiting class of 25.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cols=3 rules=groups border=1 frame=void><COLGROUP><COL width=129><COL width=60><COL width=129></COLGROUP><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width=129 height=17>School</TD><TD align=middle width=60>Grad %</TD><TD align=middle width=129>Grads per Class (25)</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>12. Notre Dame</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="95">95</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="23.75">24</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>21. Nebraska</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="88">88</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="22">22</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>5. Florida</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="80">80</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="20">20</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>17. Texas Christian</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="78">78</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="19.5">20</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>18. Clemson</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="77">77</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="19.25">19</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>11. Virginia Tech</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="74">74</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="18.5">19</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>6. Michigan</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="71">71</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="17.75">18</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>22. Boise State</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="65">65</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="16.25">16</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>13. Iowa</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="64">64</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="16">16</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>2. Auburn</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="63">63</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="15.75">16</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>4. West Virginia</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="63">63</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="15.75">16</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>14. Oregon</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="59">59</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="14.75">15</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>15. Tennessee</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="58">58</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="14.5">15</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>23. Rutgers</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="58">58</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="14.5">15</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>24. Georgia Tech</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="55">55</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13.75">14</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>3. Southern Cal</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="55">55</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13.75">14</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>1. Ohio State</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="55">55</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13.75">14</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>8. Louisville</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="53">53</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13.25">13</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>25. Missouri</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="53">53</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13.25">13</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>16. Oklahoma</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="52">52</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13">13</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>19. Florida State</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="52">52</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="13">13</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>9. LSU</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="49">49</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="12.25">12</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>20. California</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="44">44</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="11">11</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>10. Georgia</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="41">41</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="10.25">10</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left height=17>7. Texas</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;" SDVAL="40">40</TD><TD align=middle SDNUM="1033;0;0" SDVAL="10">10</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

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After all, if the school on whole only graduates 65% of th student body, then a 55% for athletes doesn't look so bad. But if the school graduates 80% of the studebt body and only 55% of the atheltes, now there's a problem.

That's comforting if you're spinning failure.

It doesn't really matter how the rest of the student body does it, if your kid is in the flunk out lane?

As the parent of a football player would you rather he goes to an institution with a 5% failure rate or a 45% failure rate?

Put it another way you have a choice of two automobiles to buy for your transportation for the next 4 years. Both are equipped with satellite TVs as a social amenity. One auto has a 95% reliablity record but only comes with the basic package of channels. The other will only get you where you want to go 55% of the time but it gets over 200 channels.
 
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That's comforting if you're spinning failure.

It doesn't really matter how the rest of the student body does it, if your kid is in the flunk out lane?

As the parent of a football player would you rather he goes to an institution with a 5% failure rate or a 45% failure rate?

Put it another way you have a choice of two automobiles to buy for your transportation for the next 4 years. Both are equipped with satellite TVs as a social amenity. One auto has a 95% reliablity record but only comes with the basic package of channels. The other will only get you where you want to go 55% of the time but it gets over 200 channels.


I really think your analogy is unfair. In an ideal world, the athlete graduation rate would be about the same as the overall student body. That would indicate that the University is "weeding them out" universally and that the athletes are getting the same academic experience as everyone else. In reality, ay most schools the athelte graduation rate is a tad lower, but not excessively lower. The problem schools are the schools where the graduation rate is significantly lower for athletes than the general student body.

Not to mention, the failure to graduate is generally a failure of the student, not the university. Almost all students are given adequate resources to get an education, some choose not to take advantage. You can lead a horese to water, but you can't make him drink. So when you say that a school has a 5% or a 45% failure rate, that is not really an accurate statement in my opinion if you are referencing the percentage of their students or athletes that don't graduate.

On top of that, who simply looks at graduation rate as a measuring stick of where they want to go to college? I never even considered it when I chose my school. Failure to graduate was not an option.
 
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I really think your analogy is unfair. In an ideal world, the athlete graduation rate would be about the same as the overall student body. That would indicate that the University is "weeding them out" universally and that the athletes are getting the same academic experience as everyone else. In reality, ay most schools the athelte graduation rate is a tad lower, but not excessively lower. The problem schools are the schools where the graduation rate is significantly lower for athletes than the general student body.

Not to mention, the failure to graduate is generally a failure of the student, not the university. Almost all students are given adequate resources to get an education, some choose not to take advantage. You can lead a horese to water, but you can't make him drink. So when you say that a school has a 5% or a 45% failure rate, that is not really an accurate statement in my opinion if you are referencing the percentage of their students or athletes that don't graduate.

On top of that, who simply looks at graduation rate as a measuring stick of where they want to go to college? I never even considered it when I chose my school. Failure to graduate was not an option.

I have no idea what youre thinking at all by this.

I can tell by your post, youre not putting yourself in the shoes of a D1 athlete. Do you honestly think D1 athletes think about grad rates?

Chiefly, the schools with weaker grad rates, tend to be schools, that not only give their students 'Get Out Of Class Free' cards, but also offer no pressure to drive them. Parents, for some reason become blinded by such.

So why do they have a better failure rate? Well, because they realize there is no reason to care. Not so much a victim of circumstance, but the simple fact that... A. Theyre 18. B. Theyve been handed everything. C. Theyre NOT AT HOME!

They have been pampered to only worry about 'Foosball on the ESPN.'

Look at Texas. Theyre a great school, but for some odd reason, theyve managed to win a title, meanwhile drastically dropping their grad rate. I wonder why. The top talent in the nation, that isnt as clever scholastically as the rest, needs to find a good home. What better than a place that doesnt care about their athletes academics.
 
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I have no idea what youre thinking at all by this.

I can tell by your post, youre not putting yourself in the shoes of a D1 athlete. Do you honestly think D1 athletes think about grad rates?

Chiefly, the schools with weaker grad rates, tend to be schools, that not only give their students 'Get Out Of Class Free' cards, but also offer no pressure to drive them. Parents, for some reason become blinded by such.

So why do they have a better failure rate? Well, because they realize there is no reason to care. Not so much a victim of circumstance, but the simple fact that... A. Theyre 18. B. Theyve been handed everything. C. Theyre NOT AT HOME!

They have been pampered to only worry about 'Foosball on the ESPN.'

Look at Texas. Theyre a great school, but for some odd reason, theyve managed to win a title, meanwhile drastically dropping their grad rate. I wonder why. The top talent in the nation, that isnt as clever scholastically as the rest, needs to find a good home. What better than a place that doesnt care about their athletes academics.

I think you have missed my point entirely. My point has been from the start, the athelter grad rate should be nearly the same as the general student body grad rate. You don't agree?

What would you think if a school graduated 90% of it's athletes but only 50% of the general student body? I would think that the atheltes were being pushed through the system. On the other side, if a school graduates 90% of the general student body and only 50% of the athletes, I would say that the athletes aren't being pushed to graduate or aren't being given the resources to graduate or that the school is recruiting athletes that aren't capable of grauating. In any of those casesm we have a problem.

But if the school graduates 50% of the general student body and also 50% of the athletes, I see no problem with that. The athletes are being treated just like the general student body and dropping out at thesame rate.
 

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Do you honestly think D1 athletes think about grad rates?
I do......why? Well, I've heard more than a few recruits mention that part of the reason they chose ND in the end was specifically because of how much they stress that they won't get a free ride and will be expected to attend class.
 
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