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[DillonHall]

Well, its not. The five year average for TE's in the combine is 33.5 inches, but the average height is 6'4" and average weight is 252.

Troy is 6'6.5" and did a 30" jump. Which means its average. That being said, he is also 20 pounds heavier than the average.

You may feel like its very average. But a 270 pound dude grabbing balls 12' out of the air is far from average. There aren't many dudes in the NFL that can do that. He's not Calvin Johnson, he's a freaking TE.

30 < 33.5. Which means Troy's vertical is below average

 

[woolybug25]

30 < 33.5. Which means Troy's vertical is below average

He's 2.5" taller than the average and 20 pounds heavier.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Well, its not. The five year average for TE's in the combine is 33.5 inches, but the average height is 6'4" and average weight is 252.

Troy is 6'6.5" and did a 30" jump. Which means its average. That being said, he is also 20 pounds heavier than the average.

You may feel like its very average. But a 270 pound dude grabbing balls 12' out of the air is far from average. There aren't many dudes in the NFL that can do that. He's not Calvin Johnson, he's a freaking TE.

12' out of the air....really

you realize how high that is? that won't be happening, especially by troy

and being bigger than everyone is only going to take him so far, he's eventually going to need to flash a little bit of athleticism that for the time being he has shown not to have

yes he's been hurt so that is a disadvantage for him, but right now i'm starting to think he'd been much more elite as a Tackle than TE

with that said he will still be picked no later than the 3rd round based off potential alone, but with his lack of speed he is not going to be as big of a mismatch as i once thought in the passing game outside of heavy sets in the red zone

 

[woolybug25]

12' out of the air....really

you realize how high that is? that won't be happen, especially by troy

and being bigger than everyone is only going to take him so far, he's eventually going to need to flash a little bit of athleticism that for the time being he has shown not to have

yes he's been hurt so that is a disadvantage for him, but right now i'm starting to think he'd been much more elite as a Tackle than TE

with that said he will still be picked no later than the 3rd round based off potential alone, but with his lack of speed he is not going to be as big of a mismatch as i once thought in the passing game outside of heavy sets in the red zone

Do the math, dude. He is 6'6.5" tall, with a 30" vertical. Just the top of his head is at over 9 feet tall. haha

 

[rtrn2glory]

this is a standing vertical man

meaning he is loading up all his energy to do one single leap as high as he can....how often do you get a chance to do this when you are getting ready to catch a football.

seriously the only guys who come close to their max vertical are the guys blazing up the sideline leaping for a ball like megatron...even then i don't see many guys snatching a ball 12' in the air.

 

[woolybug25]

this is a standing vertical man

meaning he is loading up all his energy to do one single leap as high as he can....how often do you get a chance to do this when you are getting ready to catch a football.

seriously the only guys who come close to their max vertical are the guys blazing up the sideline leaping for a ball like megatron...even then i don't see many guys snatching a ball 12' in the air.

You can jump higher running than you can flat footed. I'm not sure where you are going with that. I'm quite aware of how the test is done. All i'm saying that when you add his above average height and weight to the vertical, it is pretty good.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

You can jump higher running than you can flat footed. I'm not sure where you are going with that. I'm quite aware of how the test is done. All i'm saying that when you add his above average height and weight to the vertical, it is pretty good.

I've got to agree with Wooly.
He'll hit 24-30 inches easily with a running start.
Add in the almost 3 foot arms and he's high pointing the ball right around 12 feet.

 

[DillonHall]

He's 2.5" taller than the average and 20 pounds heavier.

I know, but that doesn't magically make his vertical jump higher. These measurements make up all the different components of a player's draft grade, but you can't change the raw numbers.

 

[DillonHall]

Can't a lot of NFL-caliber receivers/tight ends potentially catch the ball 12 feet in the air?

 

[woolybug25]

I know, but that doesn't magically make his vertical jump higher. These measurements make up all the different components of a player's draft grade, but you can't change the raw numbers.

They look at the total picture. It's not like they are going to punish him for this. The draft grade isn't a cumulative number from each test. If it were, you would never have anybody not participate in certain events. GM's use these as tools to come up with their draft boards. The fact remains that his vertical gives raw data that shows that he has a skill set that only a hand full of NFL TE's have. He is the only TE in the draft with almost identical measurements/skill set of Gronkowski.

Come draft day, nobody is going to care that his vertical was a couple inches under the average. They will be talking about a really tall TE that is still super athletic at 270 pounds.

 

[woolybug25]

Can't a lot of NFL-caliber receivers/tight ends potentially catch the ball 12 feet in the air?

Not TE's. There are probably only a handful.

He's not a WR, he shouldn't be compared to one.

 

[DillonHall]

They look at the total picture. It's not like they are going to punish him for this. The draft grade isn't a cumulative number from each test. If it were, you would never have anybody not participate in certain events. GM's use these as tools to come up with their draft boards. The fact remains that his vertical gives raw data that shows that he has a skill set that only a hand full of NFL TE's have. He is the only TE in the draft with almost identical measurements/skill set of Gronkowski.

Come draft day, nobody is going to care that his vertical was a couple inches under the average. They will be talking about a really tall TE that is still super athletic at 270 pounds.

I completely agree with you, I just didn't understand why you said his vertical was average. That's just mathematically false.

 

[woolybug25]

I completely agree with you, I just didn't understand why you said his vertical was average. That's just mathematically false.

Show me where I said that his vertical was the average? I said his skill set wasn't average:

You may feel like its very average. But a 270 pound dude grabbing balls 12' out of the air is far from average. There aren't many dudes in the NFL that can do that. He's not Calvin Johnson, he's a freaking TE.

GM's aren't going to discount that he is much heavier and taller than the rest of the TE grouping. Being a couple inches short on his vertical will be moot.

 

[DillonHall]

By the way, I can't figure out how anyone got 12 feet. It just seems impossible to me.

I'll try the math.

6'6" for height --> 78 inches
arms --> roughly 18 inches (half of total arm length)- might be underestimated
vertical --> 30 inches
total = 126 inches = 10'5"

Seems more accurate

 

[DillonHall]

post 93 wooly

 

[woolybug25]

By the way, I can't figure out how anyone got 12 feet. It just seems impossible to me.

78.5 inches tall
+
30 inch vertical
+
36 inch arm length (assumption off of average wingspan)
=
144.5
%
12
=
12.04 ft

 

[woolybug25]

post 93 wooly

Dude, you have better reading comprehension than that. You can clearly see that I was referring to the total package of his height/vertical not being average. I didn't say that 30 inches is the average for TE's. You're putting words in my mouth.

 

[DillonHall]

Dude, you have better reading comprehension than that. You can clearly see that I was referring to the total package of his height/vertical not being average. I didn't say that 30 inches is the average for TE's. You're putting words in my mouth.

Oops, I was confused by that. But the height/vertical combination still end up being below average.

 

[DillonHall]

78.5 inches tall
+
30 inch vertical
+
36 inch arm length (assumption off of average wingspan)
=
144.5
%
12
=
12.04 ft

You can't just add arm length to height. Your arms don't grow out of the top of your head.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

78.5 inches tall
+
30 inch vertical
+
36 inch arm length (assumption off of average wingspan)
=
144.5
%
12
=
12.04 ft

Only problem with those numbers is his arm starts at his shoulder not the top of his head.
When I raise my arm to simulate catching a ball my shoulder hit's my ear.
Subtract about eight to ten inches and you'll have a more accurate number imo.

 

[notredomer23]

The point is, Niklas is still getting higher than almost any tight end.

 

[koonja]

Does Koyack have potential?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Just like last year at the combine time!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

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Btw NFL network is posting that Niklas had a 32" vert, which is tied for 9th amongst TE. Just saying


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[Irish Insanity]

Btw NFL network is posting that Niklas had a 32" vert, which is tied for 9th amongst TE. Just saying


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Thats still 1.5" below average. Definitely undraftable

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Thats still 1.5" below average. Definitely undraftable

You forgot to out that in italics.

Btw Notre dame pro day is march 20th which is the earliest I've ever seen at Notre dame


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[WakeUpEchoes]

You can't just add arm length to height. Your arms don't grow out of the top of your head.

LOL thank you.

BTW for comparison, Rudolph measured in at 6'6", 266 pounds and had a 34.5" vertical leap. Troy is definitely below average in his vertical, but again we knew he wouldn't wow everyone with simply raw athletic skills. He's the best in-line blocking TE in the draft with amazing potential as an offensive weapon. His vertical shouldn't hurt him too much.

 

[AvesEvo]

TJ coming up.

 

[AvesEvo]

4.40 flat. Faster than I thought he was.

 

[CanadalovesND]

freakin NFL network, they didnt show TJ running, but showed Jeff Janis watching TJ run lol