Helmet to Helmet on Quinn

[Irish Envy]

Can't believe this asshat didn't get ejected. There was no intent but to hurt Quinn.

 

[Dannyboy Ayers]

sometimes i wish it was like the NFL where they could come down on him after the game with a suppension.

 

[irishindydawg]

Should send this to some of the GT fans who said that the flag on this play was a horrible call. Yeah what was the ref thinking there, it was only fully helmet to helmet on a quarterback.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

on a side note, Phillip Wheeler was everywhere that night. everytime there was any type of productive GT defensive play Wheeler was apart of it. He looked like an All-American. I dont know if thats because of ND's offense or what?

 

[KMac151993]

I don't think it was really intentional but it happened and had to be called. Quinn always does that little duck and lean and the kid came into make a play and went low to knock Quinn out of bounds and went helmet to helmet.

 

[Irish Envy]

I don't think it was really intentional but it happened and had to be called. Quinn always does that little duck and lean and the kid came into make a play and went low to knock Quinn out of bounds and went helmet to helmet.

If it were a running back, sure... but you know any QB is going to make a beeline for the sidelines. It was obvious in watching the play.

 

[KMac151993]

If it were a running back, sure... but you know any QB is going to make a beeline for the sidelines. It was obvious in watching the play.

I am not trying to stand up for the guy but Quinn is a big strong guy and he has a knack for going right over to the sideline on runs and then kinda leaning in to get a few extra yards. It was the right call but I didn't consider it a dirty play.

 

[ralphwaldoemerson]

I just don't see how you can say it wasn't intentional.

 

[KMac151993]

I just don't see how you can say it wasn't intentional.

Because 1) it wasn't out of bounds or late 2) I consider something like what Marcus Vick did in the Gator Bowl to be intentional and that is def. not what the GT player did. Was it a play that deserved a penalty...yes; was it intentional...I am not so sure.

 

[BigIrish]

Because 1) it wasn't out of bounds or late 2) I consider something like what Marcus Vick did in the Gator Bowl to be intentional and that is def. not what the GT player did. Was it a play that deserved a penalty...yes; was it intentional...I am not so sure.

he INTENTIONALLY tried to deliver a blow to quinn, who was on his way out of bounds anyway, when a shove would have done the job as well. he dropped his eyes to the ground and lead with his head. among inexperienced players, that's simply poor mechanics. among experienced players, it's a way to drop the hammer on somebody.

just because he didn't intentionally aim at quinn's earhole doesn't mean that he wasn't intentionally trying to inflict a punishing blow on a guy that was a half step away from going out of bounds.

 

[KMac151993]

he INTENTIONALLY tried to deliver a blow to quinn, who was on his way out of bounds anyway, when a shove would have done the job as well. he dropped his eyes to the ground and lead with his head. among inexperienced players, that's simply poor mechanics. among experienced players, it's a way to drop the hammer on somebody.

just because he didn't intentionally aim at quinn's earhole doesn't mean that he wasn't intentionally trying to inflict a punishing blow on a guy that was a half step away from going out of bounds.

You just described what every defensive player tries to do each time he steps onto the field, if you aren't trying to inflict a punishing blow then you shouldn't be playing defense. Like I said it was a penalty and I am not trying to stick up for the guy but everyone is making too big of a deal about this.

 

[marv81s]

Fact is, it was called a penalty, ND did what every good team should do, they capitalized on it and got a TD, and they held on and won the game.

 

[BigIrish]

You just described what every defensive player tries to do each time he steps onto the field, if you aren't trying to inflict a punishing blow then you shouldn't be playing defense. Like I said it was a penalty and I am not trying to stick up for the guy but everyone is making too big of a deal about this.

defensive players are NOT taught to lead with their heads with their eyes on the ground. you must have played on the offensive side of the ball.

the key point here is that quinn was heading out of bounds, and a hit like that wasn't necessary. helmet to helmet contact is EASILY avoided - just look at a similar hit by tommy z. when he prevented johnson from making it to the end zone on one of his receptions. tommy hit him hard, but square in the hips - a clean and PROPER tackling technique.

i don't buy the argument that quinn opened himself up to that sort of hit because "he has this way of dipping his shoulders and trying to squeeze out a few extra yards." every player does that - it's how you prepare to get hit.

 

[Indydomer]

Isn't that what you try to do on defense every time. Rock the quarterback? I hate the head to head rule. Now if you intentionally spear someone in the head thats not right, and should be a penalty, but the slaps in the head and shit like that is out of control. Come on the quarterback is still a man right?

 

[casperokc]

I did not think the hit was that bad. If you watch earlier Quinn got leveled by a lineman (I think) when the lineman jumped up then came down on Quinns shoulders hard. But, that being said it was a helmet to helmet. And having played ball myself (both offense and defense) I will say if not intentional it was very poor form. You should never I repeat never drop your head when making a tackle. That is the #1 cause of missed tackles is when you drop your eyes off the target. I also agree the main point was the penalty was called and we capitalized on it. That is why everyone (the haters I mean) hates the call. Not that it happened but that we did score on it. No one says anything about the B.S. holding call to start the game. Even a blind man could tell there was no holding there.

 

[BigIrish]

I hate the head to head rule. Now if you intentionally spear someone in the head thats not right, and should be a penalty....Come on the quarterback is still a man right?

first, Indydomer, i suggest you line up across from a 230 lb division 1 linebacker and let him give you a head to head helmet shot. when the ringing in your ears and stinger in your neck subsides, try to give an articulate explanation as to whether or not he intentionally speared you.

sorry for the sarcasm, but they removed the "intent" language from the head to head contact rule specifically because it's such a dangerous hit.

 

[Madknute]

That hit was clearly a cheap shot. I'm just glad Quinn was able to bounce back up. Big potential for head injury. The GT player also got lucky as his neck was in a positon to be injuried (a la Chuckie Mullens). There is a reason they put those warning stickers on the back of helmets.

 

[gipper2nd@yahoo.com]

I don't know why the haters are so mad...............they got their "make-up" penalty calls right after that didn't they?

 

[KMac151993]

I don't know why the haters are so mad...............they got their "make-up" penalty calls right after that didn't they?

What was that?

 

[ralphwaldoemerson]

Walker TD got called back like two plays later.

 

[rontdtarchala]

Which ever one of you talked about the hit on brady where he lifted up and then smashed him to the ground....that got three smurf balls to the tv...that was absolutely intentional and flagrent without a doubt. As to the helmet to helmet absolutely flagrent...and the person that said looking down makes you miss tackles is right on. the flip pass to 21 that he ran down the side lines was made possible by our linebacker coming in with his head down and completely missing the tackle. head up shoulders square to the enemy aim for the center wrap and take out the motors.....

 

[KMac151993]

Walker TD got called back like two plays later.

I wouldn't call that a makeup call though.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

It was a very ticky-tack block in the back call followed by another phantom holding call, Seemed pretty make-up to me.

 

[casperokc]

Which ever one of you talked about the hit on brady where he lifted up and then smashed him to the ground....that got three smurf balls to the tv...that was absolutely intentional and flagrent without a doubt. .

Yea I was the one who posted that and honestly that is still the one that gets me mad to this day. It seemed like they wanted to try and take Quinn out of the game. I mean on top of the slam it was a late hit. Quinn got the ball away then the guy leaves his feet and slammed him down in a very akward position. I am still trying to find a pic of it to post cause honestly that should have been flagged.

 

[KMac151993]

Yea I was the one who posted that and honestly that is still the one that gets me mad to this day. It seemed like they wanted to try and take Quinn out of the game. I mean on top of the slam it was a late hit. Quinn got the ball away then the guy leaves his feet and slammed him down in a very akward position. I am still trying to find a pic of it to post cause honestly that should have been flagged.

See IMO I think that play was worse and more intentional then the helmet to helmet contact.

 

[ralphwaldoemerson]

I wouldn't call that a makeup call though.

Not sure what else you call it when a TD is called back on a questionable penalty right after a drive has been continued by a call and the crowd has just gone ballistic on the refs.

 

[KMac151993]

Not sure what else you call it when a TD is called back on a questionable penalty right after a drive has been continued by a call and the crowd has just gone ballistic on the refs.

There was a clip on the play...it was pretty obvious, not much of one but it had to be called.

 

[BGIF]

Not sure what else you call it when a TD is called back on a questionable penalty right after a drive has been continued by a call and the crowd has just gone ballistic on the refs.

A plot for an Oliver Stone movie.

 

[ralphwaldoemerson]

Yea, you're right. There are never make-up calls. It never happens in football or baseball. Anyone who ever claims a call is a make-up call is a crazy conspiracy theorist, and not just an observant and realistic person.

 

[KMac151993]

Yea, you're right. There are never make-up calls. It never happens in football or baseball. Anyone who ever claims a call is a make-up call is a crazy conspiracy theorist, and not just an observant and realistic person.

No I will agree there are such things as make-up calls....but will you not agree there was a clip on that play?