The personal foul call in Q3, makeup call?

[solo]

I thought the refs hosed us for much of the night. Did anyone else feel like the "helmet to helmet" personal foul call in the 3rd quarter that allowed usa to score the go ahead TD rather than attempt a FG to tie it up was a make up call?

I was surpsied (but extremely happy) that we got that call.

 

[nshope]

Nah, it was an illegal hit. The placement of the hit was good on the field, meaning it wasn't a late hit, but he clearly hit head-to-head, which is a definite no-no on a player...especially on a QB. You could really hear it on the replay.

 

[Irish Envy]

I don't think it was a makeup call. There was absolutely no question in my mind that Wheeler had no intention to do anything but attempt to hurt Brady with that hit.

 

[Sweeney6083]

it was a cheap shot

it was a cheap shot

I was suprised at some of the spots but I thought we got a hometown ref crew and most calls were agianst us in the first half.

 

[KMac151993]

It was a questionable call but a lot of calls on both sides were so was I surprised we got it....yes; but I was also surprised they overturned both Rhema's and Johnson's catches.

 

[Irish Envy]

It was a questionable call but a lot of calls on both sides were so was I surprised we got it....yes; but I was also surprised they overturned both Rhema's and Johnson's catches.

I wasn't. The ball clearly touched turf on both instances before the player had 100% control of it. Once they made the call against Rhema, there was no doubt the same call was going to be made against 21 just for consistency sake.

 

[KMac151993]

I wasn't. The ball clearly touched turf on both instances before the player had 100% control of it. Once they made the call against Rhema, there was no doubt the same call was going to be made against 21 just for consistency sake.

I know that once they made Rhema's they had to make Johnson's I believe I even said that one the gameday thread....I was just surprised because those were both very close and from watching other games during the day I didn't see anything that was indisputable evidence going either way.

 

[Stealingshrimp]

It was not questionable at all... the only reason the GT fanbase went nuts is because they thought the personal foul was for a late hit. The boo'ing drowned out the refs explanation of the call. I don't even know how you could question that call. Helmet to helmet = BAD

 

[mirertobrooks]

That hit would be like a $25,000 fine in the NFL, it was a good call. Big 10 officials blow in general though.

 

[Stealingshrimp]

I wasn't. The ball clearly touched turf on both instances before the player had 100% control of it. Once they made the call against Rhema, there was no doubt the same call was going to be made against 21 just for consistency sake.

Wait what? There is no video evidence that the ball hit the ground on rhema's catch. I actually believe he caught the ball. Watch the play again if you have it tivo'd. The only other time rhema complained to the officials during the game was on the face-guarding/helmet pushing on his deep dropped pass. (which was pass interference) Thus, I doubt he would have made a spectacle about the first play, had he not caught it.

 

[Irish Envy]

Wait what? There is no video evidence that the ball hit the ground on rhema's catch. I actually believe he caught the ball. Watch the play again if you have it tivo'd. The only other time rhema complained to the officials during the game was on the face-guarding/helmet pushing on his deep dropped pass. (which was pass interference) Thus, I doubt he would have made a spectacle about the first play, had he not caught it.

I have. Several times. The ball is laying on the turf with his hands on the sides of the ball. Rhema then rolled his hands under the ball as his momentum carried him through the play. I thought it was a pretty easy call to make since he had not establed "complete and total control" prior to hitting the ground.

 

[nshope]

Yep, I agree. Effort was great on both parts, but each looked like the ball was touching the turf without being completely controlled.

 

[Stealingshrimp]

I watched it several times yesterday, and saw no evidence it touched the ground. There was a frame or two where I was uncertain if the ball was on the ground, but just as uncertain that his hand may be underneath it . The way he whipped his arm around to put it between the ground(which was miraculous) and the ball gets lost in every camera angle. I'll look at it again when I get home.

 

[tgolden]

I thought he caught it too, but I guess since they originally called it incomplete, there was no indisputible evidence that he caught it for them to overturn it.

But when talking about bad calls, how about the holding call on McKnight on the first drive that wiped out a big play. That really changed the momentum right there. I absolutely didn't see a hold. It looked like a fantastic block to me. In fact, if I remember correctly, he didn't even use his hands, he just went down and took out the guy's legs.

But we won, regardless of the calls.

 

[Vince Young]

I think both teams could make a strong case that they were screwed several times by the refs last night. That crew should be flogged. But the refereeing was awful going both ways.

As for the personal foul in the 3rd quarter, that was blatant. You could see that defender lower his head and "aim." As bad as the refs were last night, even THEY couldn't blow THAT call.

I'll tell ya what, though, whoever completed that pass to the ref from the stands may want to try to walk-on to play QB. He's got better accuracy than Reggie Ball.

 

[irishfox]

a make up call, what are you talking about? What call were they making up for? I thought the refs did a very good job last night.

 

[PantsB]

Thats an easy penalty at every level, HS, college and pros.

 

[rontdtarchala]

The call was right on...they player should have the shiite kicked out of him. He aimed his helmut at brady's head!!!!! He had every intention of knocking brady out of the game and I wanted to jump through my tv and kick his........

 

[punishment]

I watched it several times yesterday, and saw no evidence it touched the ground. There was a frame or two where I was uncertain if the ball was on the ground, but just as uncertain that his hand may be underneath it . The way he whipped his arm around to put it between the ground(which was miraculous) and the ball gets lost in every camera angle. I'll look at it again when I get home.

I agree with Svoboda. I watched the Rhema play several times, and the nose of the ball was dragging along the ground prior to him having control of it. Sometimes you just need to overcome your ND bias a bit.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

That was a dirty, dirty, dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrty play. It was Wheeler, right? Well, I think he got a little too excited around such a high-caliber QB. That might sound arrogant, but really, who wouldn't like to put a big hit on the leading candidate for the Heisman trophy?

So, he probably forgot where his team was on the field and how it would affect the game.. he just got caught up in the emotion of the game.. and it costed them. And I was pissed off when it happened and lost a lot of respect for Georgia Tech.

 

[BGIF]

I don't think it was a makeup call. There was absolutely no question in my mind that Wheeler had no intention to do anything but attempt to hurt Brady with that hit.

It wasn't a makeup call.

I don't think Wheeler's hit was intentional either, not that it matters. It's a violation. Intent is only a consideration in criminal proceedings. It was a spelled out, illegal hit that the referees look for and are told to enforce.

I also agree that fans in the stands thought that the call was for a late out of bounds hit. A jumbotron replay would only add to their misconception (and anger) unless it was announced what the actual infraction was.

 

[KMac151993]

It wasn't a makeup call.

I don't think Wheeler's hit was intentional either, not that it matters. It's a violation. Intent is only a consideration in criminal proceedings. It was a spelled out, illegal hit that the referees look for and are told to enforce.

I also agree that fans in the stands thought that the call was for a late out of bounds hit. A jumbotron replay would only add to their misconception (and anger) unless it was announced what the actual infraction was.

The problem with that was they were booing so loud at that point they never prolly heard the announcment of what the flag was actually....it showed that G-Tech fans are not all that bright. I would have been mad too but I would have wanted to know what was called so I could either shut up or bitch more.