Mel Kiper's thoughts on ND - Top Defense?

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Dave (San Diego): Mel...who will have the best defense in college football this year?

Mel Kiper: That's a good question. I'd say probably Miami (FL), Oklahoma, Florida State, Georgia and Notre Dame.

rich (libertyville): Mel, what are the experts saying about ND S Tom Z. He is a local kid and always seems to be making big plays, is he as athletic as he appears?

Mel Kiper: Yeah, he's a good player. He's got another year if he wants it. But if he goes into the draft, he's got a chance at being a first-round pick. A lot of ability, big-time hitter, rugged SS who can return punts. If there's a concern on this defense, it's OLB, but they return 9 starters. They have a lot of first-round talent on this team (Victor Abiamiri and Zbikowski on defense and on offense they've got Jeff Samardzija at WR and Ryan Harris at LT). Those are the words from the pioneer of the NFL draft and the most trusted authority on evaluating NFL talent.
 

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nice to hear but ive been thinking nd is gonna have a solid d this year and factor in all the negative things they have heard which tends to make you work even harder to prove all the nay sayers wrong i think they are gonna prove alot of people wrong this year
 
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There might be more draft picks (all rounds) from ND next April than any other school in college football.
 

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i know its not in their best intrest but damn i wish zibby and walker( has a nother year if he wants right ?) came back man i know its not wise when you can go in the top rounds but it would be nice
 

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The more I hear about this year's D the more I like it. This defense has depth at D Line and in the secondary. Depth=Flexibility. ND ran a very vanilla D last year because they didn't have the personnel to do anything else. How many safety blitzes did you see last year? A handful at best. LB were force into coverage on passing downs because of a lack of capable DBs. ND was forced to play base D most of the time.

This year they have experience and depth. If the LB spot sorts itself out - at this point it seems like ND will get at least adequate play from that spot - this defense will be borderline dominant.
 
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nice to hear but ive been thinking nd is gonna have a solid d this year and factor in all the negative things they have heard which tends to make you work even harder to prove all the nay sayers wrong i think they are gonna prove alot of people wrong this year

Agreed. I think this years D is going to shock alot of the critics, and not just at DB. I especially think the DB's and D line are going to make the biggest impacts.
 

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Agreed. I think this years D is going to shock alot of the critics, and not just at DB. I especially think the DB's and D line are going to make the biggest impacts.

If they do, we WILL win the NC.

However, while I like to think Kiper may well be right, we will know in December. Words are one thing, playing ball is what really matters.

/god, I just can't wait anymore...
 
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I hate to be the pessimist, but even though Mel Kiper is as the article said 'the authority on NFL talent', he isn't the authority on college football.

I think ND's defense will surprise people and I'm excited about it, but I don't think it'll be top 5. It could be top 15, though, and I think that's good enough. I mean, look what we did with what, the 75th 'best' defense in the country?
 

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Mel Kiper a trusted authority? lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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... I think ND's defense will surprise people and I'm excited about it, but I don't think it'll be top 5. It could be top 15, though, and I think that's good enough. I mean, look what we did with what, the 75th 'best' defense in the country?

I think if we get to about 50th, we'll do allright.

But the D may not need across the board improvement. I may be wrong but I thought after the Bowl Game or during Spring Ball, CW pointed out that ND gave up 26 big plays. I don't have a cite for that and the number may be different. My point is cut that number is half, that's essentially one play per game.

USC executed a perfect play on 3rd and long. Change that play ND win.

One play different key play in the MSU game and no OT.

Stop one of the four OSU long plays and the ND's threatening for the lead late in the game.

The particular play isn't the point.

One less breakdown; one better executed play on Defense per game can be the difference in a memorable season regardless of how many yards per pass, yards per rush, or other Defensive stat ranking.
 
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You don't always have to STOP an offense to play successful defense.
Sometimes confusing, disrupting, or forcing an offense into bad decisions and tactics is just as effective.
We'll see more of the looks on coaches and opponents faces similar to that of that Purdue defensive coordinator last year.
Remember him?
"What the f**k did they just do to us?"
 
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If Mel is right, then ND wins it all this year or at least plays for the title. If we can field a top 10 defense, I can't see us losing.
 

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SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- The pursuit sent one player to Florida, another to Arizona and dozens of others to sites in between.

But no matter the destination, every Notre Dame defender had the same goal in mind.

They had seen the film more than once, cringing at the grand canyons separating them from Ohio State ballcarriers in the 2006 Fiesta Bowl. They saw four touchdowns of 56 yards or longer. They saw the Buckeyes tally a deplorable 617 yards. They saw the celebrations of Troy Smith, Ted Ginn Jr. and Antonio Pittman, three players who are back this fall.



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Tom Zbikowski's quest for speed carried him to Chris Carter's FAST Program.It made their next step an obvious one. If defenders didn't get faster, nothing else would matter. Without improvement, the defense would put the brakes on Notre Dame's national championship run and satisfy critics who point to the unit as deadweight. Consequently, Notre Dame embarked on its summer of speed.

Tom Zbikowski's quest took him to the so-called enemy, a wide receiver and, even worse, an Ohio State product. Following spring practice Zbikowski spent three weeks with Cris Carter's FAST Program in Boca Raton, Fla.

Though Zbikowski was simultaneously training for his June 10 pro boxing debut in New York, he didn't mix motivations at Carter's camp.

"I wanted to get down there and train for speed," he said.

Carter helped the Irish senior safety understand how receivers think.

"No break is ever good enough," Zbikowski said. "He's [Carter] never satisfied on any given play. You see what their mind-set is, see what they're looking at, whether they're pushing inside or outside."

Chinedum Ndukwe lines up next to Zbikowski in the Irish secondary, but this summer he took a reverse route from his fellow safety. Ndukwe returned to the site of Notre Dame's Fiesta Bowl flop, training with Brett Fischer at Fischer Sports in Phoenix.

Fischer's clients include NFL defensive backs Mike McKenzie, Shawn Springs and Darren Sharper. He also works with Ndukwe's older brother, Ike, a reserve guard for the Washington Redskins.

"We just worked on my backpedaling and my cuts, coming out of my breaks," said Ndukwe, who had two interceptions and four fumble recoveries last season.

Ndukwe also did individual speed work at Notre Dame, getting help from Irish QB Brady Quinn. The two players made plenty of connections at Coffman High School in Dublin, Ohio, where Ndukwe played WR and claimed the school record for receiving yards (2,174).



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Chinedum Ndukwe hopes his speed training translates into more interceptions in 2006.But their summer session had a different flavor to it.

"I'd try to work the middle of the field a little bit, try to break on his shoulders and things like that," Ndukwe said. "I told him not to get in the habit of throwing interceptions."

Speed also took precedence in Notre Dame's team workouts with the strength and conditioning staff. A year earlier, weight training was the focus, as Notre Dame checked off the "bigger" and "stronger" requirements of football's famous cliché.

But this summer the Irish devoted two days of each week to speed and agility drills.

"We did a lot of box jumps into running sprints, did a lot of tire pulls with weights in the tires," Ndukwe said. "It was just working on turnover, just getting your body forward and your knees going as fast as you can. We did wall [drills]. A lot of people do a lot of the same things. It's just how much you do them."

Added senior DE Victor Abiamiri: "After last summer, we had more of an idea what to expect. We had a goal in mind -- improving team speed."

Veteran defenders might have been pushed harder by the fast footsteps behind them. Notre Dame's incoming freshman class features several speedy defenders, namely DBs Darrin Walls and Raeshon McNeil and LB Morrice Richardson.

And the team's media day earlier this month was abuzz as coach Charlie Weis announced that backup RB Travis Thomas had moved to LB. Ndukwe underplayed the notion that job security motivated Notre Dame's returning starters, but Thomas acknowledged a faster pace in training camp.

"I can definitely sense an increase in defensive speed," said Thomas, the projected starter at weakside LB. "It's something that everyone pushed on this summer." The newcomers might allow Notre Dame to use the nickel and dime packages more often this season.

"I just don't think we had the personnel to be able to accomplish it last year," Zbikowski said.



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Defensive lineman Victor Abiamiri picked up 46 tackles for the Irish in 2005.The back seven weren't the only ones focused on speed. The line is filled with familiar faces (Abiamiri, DT Derek Landri, DT Trevor Laws, DE Chris Frome), and coach Jappy Oliver has been instructed to "turn 'em loose."

"He absolutely has more faith in our defensive line this year with our experience," Frome said of Oliver.

Frome, who missed the final six games of last season with a knee injury, is competing to reclaim his starting job. Sophomore Ronald Talley started the final four games in Frome's place.

The 6-foot-4, 262-pound Talley brings a menacing presence to the Irish line, and not just with an imposing frame. Unlike quieter teammates Abiamiri and Landri, Talley will, on occasion, open his mouth before the ball is snapped.

What does he say?

"Intimidating things," he deadpanned, drawing nervous laughs from several reporters. The Irish hope speed will be their most intimidating attribute this fall. It won't take long to find out, as Notre Dame faces big-play threats Calvin Johnson (Georgia Tech), Derrick Williams (Penn State) and Steve Breaston (Michigan) in its first three games. Can the Irish close the gaps?

"On defense, little things easily turn into big problems," Ndukwe said. "If you have a little miscommunication, someone might be a couple feet out of place, that's the difference between a tackle and a touchdown."

Adam Rittenberg covers college football for the Arlington Heights (Ill.) Daily Herald.

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We will have a top 15 Defense.....period...is anyone else watching Notre Dame sunday on CSTV....
 
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We will have a top 15 Defense.....period...is anyone else watching Notre Dame sunday on CSTV....

I am curious as to why you think we will be a top 15 defense.

On the positive side:

1. We have a lof of players returning on D and
2. It will be their second season in the system

On the negative side:

1. The guys that return are many of the same ones that couldn't get the job done last year and

2. Other than a strong front 4, we look weak at LB and bad in the secondary (unless last years starters made HUGE strides in the off season).

3. Has anybody emerged that can get to the QB?

Defensively, I still have serious doubts about this team. I kind of feel that we are really at least one year away from fielding a great D. Once CW's recruits get in starting positions, then I feel like we have a chance to be a strong defensive team.

What am I missing?
 

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The only thing I'm confident with saying is I think we will have a better defense(but that's not saying much). We will also be faster. Duke lost about 20 lbs and should be a better safety overall. My biggest concern is pass rush. We, at times(mich st) last year just would play patti cake with linemen and let the QB just stand back there. And when we blitzed it made us susceptable to the long ball. I hope our front four improves a lot in that area.
 

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What am I missing?

As I posted earlier depth = flexibility. The importance of being able to put different personnel groups in can't be understated. Last year the defense couldn't effectively play 'nickel' - they didn't have a 5th DB capable of effective play. A lack of personnel limits your overall scheme, your coverages, your blitzes, everything. Opposing offenses new what was coming. ND's forced simplicity made it easy for opposing coordinators to scheme and opposing QBs weren't overburdened with reading a complex defense. Weis now has faith in 10 DBs. The defense will be able to do more.

The D Line is going to be a huge strength. There is depth and skill at every position. Victor and his 8 sacks return. Frome, Landri, Laws, and Talley are solid. I think Leitko will be a big addition and will prove to be a force by the end of season. The added ability to bring blitzes as a result of a more competent secondary will improve the pressure that opposing QBs feel.

The LBs are admittedly a weakness, but that weakness will be mitigated to a degree by the strength of the D Line. A LBs best friend is a good down lineman. Crum will be a beast at MLB. Travis Thomas, if he does become the starter, will make mistakes. He will also make plays because of his speed and athleticism. LB play will be adequate.

The other thing that makes me think that this defense will be top defense is faith. I believe that the players will improve from last year. But more so I believe that ND has the best coaches in college football. Improving the defense has be the number 1 item on the coaches' "To Do List" and I believe they will get the job done.

You can do one of two things - 1 Worry yourself sick about the state of the defense only to proven wrong on Sept. 2nd or 2. Fill yourself with anticipation waiting for the defense to kick the $h!t out of Ga Tech.

This defense will be solid and quite possibly very good. They will definitely be far better than last year. If it turns out that they suck feel to bump this thread and make me eat my words.
 

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if they lose we all lose but im with you guff i like the d from what i hear and see in the coach's face encouraged better then dismayed
 

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Solo, guff did a nice job of summing up some of my feelings in response to your post. His points that I would reiterate:

Depth and ability to play more DB's. We had Crum covering a lot of WR's last year. That was not good.

A year of improvement. Sure, they are the same guys as you said. But The same guys that manned the 10th best offense in 05 were the the guys who manned the 71st best offense in 04. They got better. I expect the D to improve as well.

Improved pass rush from D-line. This is the single most important factor going into 06. Losing both Frome and Leitko hurt this defense terribly last year. There was nobody who could take some heat off of Abiamiri last year down the stretch. Having those guys back, along with more experience and strength from Brown and Talley should improve the pass rush. As should the fact that while inexperienced, the LB crew will be significantly faster and more athletic than last year's.

As for your claims that the defensive backs were bad-most of their mistakes were mental, not some physical deficiency. Take for example, the Fiesta Bowl. Most wrote that off as ND's slow and terrible DB's being outmanned. I'd suggest reading bluegraysky's breakdown of Ohio St's four long TD's from that game. Each and every one was due to breakdowns in assignments and reads, which is something that plagued the defense all year long. That is where another year of learning should really help improve the defense.

Now, I won't jump on the top 15 bandwagon. But I think this defense has the personnel to become a top 35 defense. With our offense, that should be good enough to beat any team on the schedule.
 

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In regards to Kiper's thoughts, I think Zbikowski is gone after this year and Trevor Laws will return.
 

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I am curious as to why you think we will be a top 15 defense.

On the positive side:

1. We have a lof of players returning on D and
2. It will be their second season in the system

On the negative side:

1. The guys that return are many of the same ones that couldn't get the job done last year and

2. Other than a strong front 4, we look weak at LB and bad in the secondary (unless last years starters made HUGE strides in the off season).

3. Has anybody emerged that can get to the QB?

Defensively, I still have serious doubts about this team. I kind of feel that we are really at least one year away from fielding a great D. Once CW's recruits get in starting positions, then I feel like we have a chance to be a strong defensive team.

What am I missing?


The problem with the defense is that they didnt have alot of time to fix the problems present, during the season. Last year was spent with getting the guys conditioned and trying to cover up the weaknesses present in the young defense. This year, they have more time to work on fixing their problems, and the pissed off factor may be a great thing to see with this defense. Personally, I see a top 25 D
 
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