Kmoose at game? Post game observations vs Navy

[irishff1014]

Jaylon, a true Freshman, made THE most important play of the game, and arguable our season to this point.

-I have no clue why we were passing so much at the beginning being we were running at will

-2 Freshman made key plays to win the game, Folston all night, and Jaylon at the end.

-I don't get the D. We play so well last week and some prior. We seem to be coming into our own, and then this happens. Coach? Players? Injuries? Navy?

-Cam may be sexy and hardnosed, GA III may have straight line speed and break it at any time, but Folston is the most complete back we have and should be the horse. He has shakes, speed, vision, follows his blocks well, power, basically everything that the rest of our backs combined have. All in one package. Beautiful

Not saying it was a great play but if Hardy doesn't push it more outside we might be looking at a different game.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

You guys are praising Jaylon and stating he should be he captain. He played a horrible game and Hardy made the play at the end of he game.


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It was to make a point. I do not think Jaylon should be captain.

Game highlights:

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[Sherm Sticky]

Kmoose at game? Post game observations vs Navy

Even if we'd have scored those two TD's the talent gaps we have on this team would still be evident. We are a #25 team because that's the kind of talent we have. Kelly either needs to step up recruiting at all position groups, or we're going to continue to be a program that consistently struggles to win even against average teams and gets smoked by BCS caliber teams. It is clear we have turned no corner as a program in year 4 of Kelly's era and are stuck in the second tier of college football teams. I believe Kelly and his staff are good coaches, but they are only going to go as far as recruiting takes them.

I'm busy right now so I can not fully respond to this. But you are completelywrong. Really quick remember the 5th seniors and seniors are not Kelly players. You can see the young players are making the majority of the plays.


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[Grahambo]

Navy rushed the ball 70 times for 331 yards for a 4.7 YPC. ND rushed the ball 36 times for 264 yards and a 7.3 YPC. If you drop Navy's attempts to 36, same as ND, then they would have had 169 yards. I believe ND's average coming into the game was 144.

Just trying to say that I don't think it was AS BAD a defensive performance as we may think. Not ideal by any stretch but not as bad as one might think.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Not saying it was a great play but if Hardy doesn't push it more outside we might be looking at a different game.

Hardy had a hand in it. But I just rewatched it and him and BJax both missed a tackle, Jaylon saved the game. If he wasn't there, it was a TD

 

[pkt77242]

Even if we'd have scored those two TD's the talent gaps we have on this team would still be evident. We are a #25 team because that's the kind of talent we have. Kelly either needs to step up recruiting at all position groups, or we're going to continue to be a program that consistently struggles to win even against average teams and gets smoked by BCS caliber teams. It is clear we have turned no corner as a program in year 4 of Kelly's era and are stuck in the second tier of college football teams. I believe Kelly and his staff are good coaches, but they are only going to go as far as recruiting takes them.

Where are you seeing a lack of recruiting at all position groups? Do you actually believe the bullshit you post? The only real complaints you can have about recruiting right now are ILB and NG.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Some observations:

1. It appeared to me that the team was coached "not to lose" this week. From resting core players to the lack of attacking on the defensive side of the ball. The way the safeties were both back almost the entire game is puzzling. The corners were put in tough spots having to contain without safety help. Now I'm not a big time coach, but my pee-wee teams attack the option. The weak side inside backer, dt, and defensive end crashes down to stop the dive, the strong side inside backer and the outside linebacker crash the qb, then the safety and corner stop the pitchman. I know it's tougher vs a quarterback that can throw decently, but this philosophy still works with superior athletes at corner. Have the corner basically play man and back up the safety when being blocked. I think the coaches just thought we'd handle them with a vanilla scheme and it almost bit them.

2. The offense was awesome. Imo, the holding call on Troy was horrible and cost us a touchdown and a valuable possession when TJ slipped a play later. Between that call and the targeting, the refs really hurt today.

3. Not sure what the Navy coach was thinking on that last fourth down play. We didn't stop them all day. He didn't need to resort to trickery... imo outsmarted himself.

4. GA3 is a sprinter. Cam and Folston are running backs. I'd love to see 33 and 25 get the bulk from here on out with 4 getting a handful of carries a game.

5. We only get to see twelve, thirteen if we're lucky, of these a year. Even ugly games should be relished. Sometimes it's ok to ignore the big picture of a season and just enjoy the game... win or lose.

 

[Grahambo]

Let's not overlook the fact that Eilar Hardy made the initial play that disrupted the reverse. And Bennet Jackson was the first person to get a hand on the ball carrier, and turn him back in to Jaylon Smith.

I watched the play over and over and the ones that stood out to me for hustle were Eilar, BJ, Jaylon, and Ty Stockton.

Eilar diagnosed it fairly quickly. As soon as the pitch to the WR was made, Eilar was in pursuit. It was BJ's WR so he was on it the whole way and sprinted his *** over to the other side. Jaylon diagnosed it as well, then slipped trying to cut back, then turned the burners on to secure the game. Stockton just hustled his *** and MIGHT have made the play closer to the first down marker had Jaylon not been able to wrap up.

All in all, bullet dodged with hustle.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Just very glad to be dine with the triple option this year...very worried about defending ga tech in the future. Corners wet terrible today couldnt get off a block to help on the pitch.

Sidenote: feel verybad for 62 for navy.

 

[Patulski]

I completely disagree. Lets not forget we entered the season starting a back up QB, replacing quite a bit of O-Line, phenomenal TE, and our LBs and RBs. We are #25 because consistency across the board isn't there, not our level of talent.

If you can't see the difference in talent between players like Jaylon Smith, Nix and Tuitt-who have elite talent- and players like Collinsworth, Calabrese and Farley-who have average talent- then you are letting your homer glasses delude you.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Navy rushed the ball 70 times for 331 yards for a 4.7 YPC. ND rushed the ball 36 times for 264 yards and a 7.3 YPC. If you drop Navy's attempts to 36, same as ND, then they would have had 169 yards. I believe ND's average coming into the game was 144.

Just trying to say that I don't think it was AS BAD a defensive performance as we may think. Not ideal by any stretch but not as bad as one might think.

Agree and disagree to a point. The Irish averaged 7 yards a carry and 12 yards per pass. TOP was 37 minutes to 22 in favor of Navy.

Bottom line: the Irish just scored to dang fast!!!!!! LOL

GO IRISH!!!!!!
Diz

 

[Luckylucci]

If you can't see the difference in talent between players like Jaylon Smith, Nix and Tuitt-who have elite talent- and players like Collinsworth, Calabrese and Farley-who have average talent- then you are letting your homer glasses delude you.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is but if your expectation is to have 5 star recruits at every position or AA's at every position your going to be let down a lot. All good teams have 3 star players that contribute a lot. We do but it just wasn't a good performance for some. Also consider our best ILB is out, our best Dlineman is out, shumate is out, Ishaq is out, coucell had to leave the game. All those guys are very good players that add up to something very difficult to overcome. That has nothing to do with recruiting.

 

[kmoose]

FYI....

My insane jealousy of Jack Nolan (und.com) is tempered a little bit tonight, as my email question was the first one that he read, on the post game show, tonight.

Thanks Jack!!

 

[Irish Insanity]

I am just gonna throw this out there. A few years ago I knew a guy that played defensive tackle for a FBS team. They played a team that ran the TO. A team that really didnt belong on the same field as my friends team. He told me that the other d linemen were worried about blowing out knees because of the way blocks were thrown. There was even one guy that was projected NFL draftee. He said he was considering tanking it to keep from injury on one of the of the final games of the season, and a game that carried little importance.

My question is, could the Irish d linemen have a little apprehension for the same reasons?

Possibly the reason the D Line seemed to start out a yard back from the LOS on most plays.

If you can't see the difference in talent between players like Jaylon Smith, Nix and Tuitt-who have elite talent- and players like Collinsworth, Calabrese and Farley-who have average talent- then you are letting your homer glasses delude you.

No, I'm living with realistic expectations. Your initial comment would have included last year in which we had one of the top Ds in the country. I live in the real world where we don't field video game Ds every year.

 

[Grahambo]

FYI....

My insane jealousy of Jack Nolan (und.com) is tempered a little bit tonight, as my email question was the first one that he read, on the post game show, tonight.

Thanks Jack!!

Can you share what the question was and his answer?

 

[NDinFL]

FYI....

My insane jealousy of Jack Nolan (und.com) is tempered a little bit tonight, as my email question was the first one that he read, on the post game show, tonight.

Thanks Jack!!

Nice

 

[pkt77242]

Can you share what the question was and his answer?

Kmoose asked Jack on a date and he said yes.

 

[ickythump1225]

Again...it's quiet in here. One messed up play and we'd be full of jack holes.

Irishpat thought he was going to have his moment in the sun but alas it won't be this week. The afterglow from Oklahoma must be wearing off now.

 

[kmoose]

Can you share what the question was and his answer?

I pointed out that we had great success in disrupting the option, when our D line had penetration, and asked him why we did not have more penetration, when on paper we had a vastly superior line?

He basically let Reggie Brooks answer, and Reggie said that we didn't really want the DL to penetrate, because that left the Offensive lineman free to get to the LBs. And in Diaco's defense, the defensive line is expected to occupy offensive linemen in order to protect the linebackers.

 

[Grahambo]

I pointed out that we had great success in disrupting the option, when our D line had penetration, and asked him why we did not have more penetration, when on paper we had a vastly superior line?

He basically let Reggie Brooks answer, and Reggie said that we didn't really want the DL to penetrate, because that left the Offensive lineman free to get to the LBs. And in Diaco's defense, the defensive line is expected to occupy offensive linemen in order to protect the linebackers.

That's pretty sweet!

And a good answer by Reggie.

 

[kmoose]

Kmoose asked Jack on a date and he said yes.

I don't want Jack. But I DO want his job. Can you imagine being paid to eat, sleep, and breathe Notre Dame football, and getting the kind of access to the team that he has? I would be working 20 hour days!

 

[Booslum31]

Jaylon, a true Freshman, made THE most important play of the game, and arguable our season to this point.

-I have no clue why we were passing so much at the beginning being we were running at will

-2 Freshman made key plays to win the game, Folston all night, and Jaylon at the end.

-I don't get the D. We play so well last week and some prior. We seem to be coming into our own, and then this happens. Coach? Players? Injuries? Navy?

-Cam may be sexy and hardnosed, GA III may have straight line speed and break it at any time, but Folston is the most complete back we have and should be the horse. He has shakes, speed, vision, follows his blocks well, power, basically everything that the rest of our backs combined have. All in one package. Beautiful

I agree...he should only come off the field when he is gassed. IMO

 

[Patulski]

Where are you seeing a lack of recruiting at all position groups? Do you actually believe the bullshit you post? The only real complaints you can have about recruiting right now are ILB and NG.

I don't care about "recruiting right now", because I could care less how we rank this year. I base my judgments on what I see on the field with Kelly's recruits in his 4th year.

Here's what I see:

I think Councell is average. Ditto Farley. I am stunned Collinsworth even sees the field in Kelly's 4th year. There should be a younger guy there, but Hardy is just getting playing time. Shumate has not impressed me at all. I do not think Springman and Houndshell (if he doesn't get injured again) are going to back fill Nix and Tuitt without a drop off. Grace didn't impress me at all. He's slow and stiff, a huge drop off in talent from Manti. Ishaq Williams is a tweener who excels at nothing. He's serviceable, but not elite.

If you think these guys are elite players, that's your prerogative. I don't.

 

[Patulski]

It's one game, one stinking game. We are top ten in most wins over the last 3 seasons right?

That doesn't change my point of view, which is that just as we've gotten stomped virtually every time we get to a BCS game, we are not closing the gap. I wish it was not so, but I think it is the truth. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Booslum31]

I don't care about "recruiting right now", because I could care less how we rank this year. I base my judgments on what I see on the field with Kelly's recruits in his 4th year.

Here's what I see:

I think Councell is average. Ditto Farley. I am stunned Collinsworth even sees the field in Kelly's 4th year. There should be a younger guy there, but Hardy is just getting playing time. Shumate has not impressed me at all. I do not think Springman and Houndshell (if he doesn't get injured again) are going to back fill Nix and Tuitt without a drop off. Grace didn't impress me at all. He's slow and stiff, a huge drop off in talent from Manti. Ishaq Williams is a tweener who excels at nothing. He's serviceable, but not elite.

If you think these guys are elite players, that's your prerogative. I don't.

Seems as though you might "care about recruiting" if this is what you think about so many of our players. BTW...I agree with a lot of what you said.

 

[zemaniak]

Whoa. Stop the J Train. He's not at that level yet. And I don't mean on field play. I mean everything else that includes. Spond is mentoring him, and doing great. He isn't the one leading, he's following.

Can Spond please mentor all our LBs then?

 

[kmoose]

-Cam may be sexy and hardnosed, GA III may have straight line speed and break it at any time, but Folston is the most complete back we have and should be the horse. He has shakes, speed, vision, follows his blocks well, power, basically everything that the rest of our backs combined have. All in one package. Beautiful

The only complaint I have about Folston, and it's admittedly a very nit-picky one; it's that a back needs to get to the edge of the defense, and then just turn on the jets when he turns upfield. When Folston turns upfield, it doesn't seem like he has much acceleration. This usually allows the inside pursuit to take an angle and catch him. Of course, that usually doesn't happen until he is 10 yards or so upfield, so it's not a huge deal. But that's one difference between really good, and great!

 

[Booslum31]

The only complaint I have about Folston, and it's admittedly a very nit-picky one; it's that a back needs to get to the edge of the defense, and then just turn on the jets when he turns upfield. When Folston turns upfield, it doesn't seem like he has much acceleration. This usually allows the inside pursuit to take an angle and catch him. Of course, that usually doesn't happen until he is 10 yards or so upfield, so it's not a huge deal. But that's one difference between really good, and great!

There were a couple of times today where I saw what you mean. I think this comes with the territory with a guy "who makes people miss"...pursuit tends to catch up with them.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The only complaint I have about Folston, and it's admittedly a very nit-picky one; it's that a back needs to get to the edge of the defense, and then just turn on the jets when he turns upfield. When Folston turns upfield, it doesn't seem like he has much acceleration. This usually allows the inside pursuit to take an angle and catch him. Of course, that usually doesn't happen until he is 10 yards or so upfield, so it's not a huge deal. But that's one difference between really good, and great!

There were a couple of times today where I saw what you mean. I think this comes with the territory with a guy "who makes people miss"...pursuit tends to catch up with them.

I noticed this the first big run he had to the outside a few games back. It seemed he needed 2-3 steps before 'it' kicked in for him.

 

[pkt77242]

I don't care about "recruiting right now", because I could care less how we rank this year. I base my judgments on what I see on the field with Kelly's recruits in his 4th year.

Here's what I see:

I think Councell is average. Ditto Farley. I am stunned Collinsworth even sees the field in Kelly's 4th year. There should be a younger guy there, but Hardy is just getting playing time. Shumate has not impressed me at all. I do not think Springman and Houndshell (if he doesn't get injured again) are going to back fill Nix and Tuitt without a drop off. Grace didn't impress me at all. He's slow and stiff, a huge drop off in talent from Manti. Ishaq Williams is a tweener who excels at nothing. He's serviceable, but not elite.

If you think these guys are elite players, that's your prerogative. I don't.

Councell is good at setting the edge but struggles in pass coverage. I agree that Farley and Collinsworth are not ideal safties. Hardy was injured and is just getting the mental side along with Shumate. Both are very talented though. Also Ishaq has been good at pressuring the QB this year but he is not great at dropping into pass coverage or that great against the run.

How about we talk about all the young players making contributions that are Kelly's recruits.

Elmer, Stanley, N. Martin, Niklas, Koyak, DD, Folston, Cam, and Golson.
Tuitt, KVR, Jaylon, Luke, Hardy has really been coming on the past few games.

That isn't even including the true freshmen that have shown promise such as Folston, Butler, Robinson, Fuller, Redfield, etc.

Kelly has had only 3 recruiting classes that are his own, I would say he is doing a pretty damn good job.