Israel attacks Palestine: What do you think?

[Irish Envy]

A bomb dropped by an Israeli warplane destroyed the Palestinian Foreign Ministry building in Gaza City early Thursday.

Man, this is gonna get nasty. What do you guys think about this?

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Just what you thought... This is gonna get nasty. So sad.

 

[Irish Envy]

Well, I know if sounds bad, but I went and filled up the gas tanks on both of my cars. I'm not going to risk getting gouged this weekend at the pumps.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Israel has time and again proven itself to be the civilized side.

The truth of the matter is that if the Palestinians had the weapons the Israelis did and the Israelis had the weapons the Palestinians do, the Palestinians would murder every Jew they could find.

I don't see why Israel should give the Palestinians any respect. I think it's time all the Palestinians were sent to Jordan and other surrounding Arab countries.

 

[Guest]

my only worry right now is N Korea

 

[punishment]

Israel has time and again proven itself to be the civilized side.

The truth of the matter is that if the Palestinians had the weapons the Israelis did and the Israelis had the weapons the Palestinians do, the Palestinians would murder every Jew they could find.

I don't see why Israel should give the Palestinians any respect. I think it's time all the Palestinians were sent to Jordan and other surrounding Arab countries.

What!??!!?! Man, you come out more and more extreme every time. But what gives Israel more right to the land than the Palestinians? Is it these weapons that you say Israel has that gives them more of a right to the land?

For fear of being crucified as anti-American and unpatriotic (and perhaps a terrorist), I will not say anything negative about Israel.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Israel has time and again proven itself to be the civilized side.

The truth of the matter is that if the Palestinians had the weapons the Israelis did and the Israelis had the weapons the Palestinians do, the Palestinians would murder every Jew they could find.

I don't see why Israel should give the Palestinians any respect. I think it's time all the Palestinians were sent to Jordan and other surrounding Arab countries.

Oh my god dude...this is the funniest thing I have ever read...

Seriously, you need to get educated on this topic.

The Palestinians who are leading this fight are bad people...it is true.

But if you for one moment think that the Israelis don't kill women and babies without so much as a how-do-you-do...you are very very very mistaken.

 

[mirertobrooks]

I apologize but I'm not really informed on this topic but I did rent Munich a couple weeks ago and it was really an eye opener. If you get a chance pick it up. I feel guilty obsessing about money and work and ND football when theres stuff like this happening. Watched the news tonight and all signs indicate that there won't be a resolution anytime soon, probably ever. Thanks for the tip on the gas Svo.

 

[KMac151993]

Let them both take each other out.....2,000+ years of fighting and killing themselves over a piece of land, if they haven't learned by now to get along they never will. In terms of North Korea they will never do anything because if they ever did they are smart enough to realize that we can hit them back 1,000x stronger....they are civilized and smart unlike the terrorist.

 

[mirertobrooks]

I wouldn't Kim Jong whatever a real civalized guy. I heard he watches cartoons to relax and other bizzare things. Homeboy is nuts. And terrorist are very intelligent, but also nuts in that the ultimate death for them is martyring themselves for Allah. Scary stuff.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Israel has time and again proven itself to be the civilized side.

The truth of the matter is that if the Palestinians had the weapons the Israelis did and the Israelis had the weapons the Palestinians do, the Palestinians would murder every Jew they could find.

I don't see why Israel should give the Palestinians any respect. I think it's time all the Palestinians were sent to Jordan and other surrounding Arab countries.

I'm quoting myself (has that ever been done?).

To explain myself, you need to understand that I get really, really pissed off sometimes. When I wrote that I was pretty pissed.

A few months ago I was pretty optimistic about the situation in Palestine when Hamas came into power. The reason being that the death knell of an insurgent or terrorist group is always when they start to talk; that is, when they turn to politics (a good example would be of the IRA and ETA.. though I never have considered the IRA to be a terrorist organization).

And that's exactly what happened when they won the parliamentary elections. So I was pretty excited. Hamas would now have to be responsible for the welfare of the Palestinian people and that would mean providing a good education system for the young, a strong infrastructure, healthcare, and jobs. In those pursuits Hamas would fail unless it became more moderate in such a way to make those needs a reality. The first necessity would be a cease-fire. That was done. Then Hamas made a startling move when it either came close to, or actually did recognize the state of Israel. For a moment it appeared as though a long-term peace could be achieved.

But, for whatever reason the cease-fire was broken by Hamas and when the Israelis were attacked, Hamas appeared completely uninterested in cracking down on its military operations, leading myself and the Israeli government to believe that it remains in support of terrorist operations.

So I don't really know what the current Israeli objective is. My guess is that it's a way to show Hamas that in the future it had better understand that it will be held responsible for everything that occurs under its leadership. Until they become realistic, their people will suffer for their idiocies. And when they suffer, their chances in the next election could be hurt.

Btw, "Munich" is a good movie, but Spielberg went a bit too far in his attempt to make it more dramatic. Many members of the Mossad have been interviewed about the retalliatory operations and all are practically 100% in support of what they did. Also, the film made the organization look unbelievably old (half the guys in the Mossad hit team looked like they were hired out of a retirement home) and amateur.

But if you for one moment think that the Israelis don't kill women and babies without so much as a how-do-you-do...you are very very very mistaken.

I think that the Israelis are desensitized by the terrorist activities of the Palestinians; the Palestinians once pulled out a pregnant Israeli woman from a car and shot her to death. Bus-bombings and the like can give the IDF a stomach that is too strong to care much about collateral damage when they target Hamas leaders.

The major difference is that Israel never targets Palestinian civilians. Even the recent incident (which may have been faked) where a Palestinian family was killed while they were picknicking had a viable excuse; many Israelis have been killed by mortar and rocket attacks from certain locations. The IDF makes preferred areas for launching these attacks 'kill-zones' and it's well known to Palestinians that these places are off-limits. They are marked as such.

You know the 'national conscience' of a country/territory/people is messed up when parents raise kids to prefer to die for a cause than live for it.

 

[onenybrother]

Solution

Solution

We should all act like we dont care ,stop sending them both money. Neither can sustain themselve's without our help. The solution just ignore them, stop leading then newscast with this nonsense. With all the trouble we have in the state's,poverty ,crime ,Aid's, college tuition, kids dying in a war for no damn reason that what we need to worry about instead of some people who just can't find a way to get along. And I don't want to here about who's fault it is. Sit at a table and get the job done.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

my only worry right now is N Korea

Mine's Pakistan. Most people are concerned about Iran getting a nuclear weapon seeing as it is a CIS (crazy, Islamic state), but Pakistan already has plenty of them and they probably have a more fundementalist population than Iran. The only thing saving us is a friendly dictator in Musharraf.

But I've always wondered how secure his regime is and whether he'll maintain the support of the army. More worrisome will be what happens when the guy inevitably dies some day.

"The Economist" just wrote a pretty lengthy survey on it that I havn't gotten to just yet.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

The major difference is that Israel never targets Palestinian civilians. Even the recent incident (which may have been faked) where a Palestinian family was killed while they were picknicking had a viable excuse; many Israelis have been killed by mortar and rocket attacks from certain locations. The IDF makes preferred areas for launching these attacks 'kill-zones' and it's well known to Palestinians that these places are off-limits. They are marked as such.

Of course they do...seriously, what papers are you reading?

The Israelis are NOTORIOUS for doing just that.

When they are attacked by Hamas, the first thing they do is shell a town. INDESCRIMINATELY.

Understand, there is ZERO justification for Hamas to be attacking Israel right now.

But to say that the Israelis don't INTENTIONALLY target civilians is ludicrous.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Of course they do...seriously, what papers are you reading?

I read "The Economist", "The New Republic", "The Atlantic", and sometimes even the "New York Times"... none of which have written anything suggesting that anything you said is true.

What papers are you reading?

 

[guff]

I read "The Economist", "The New Republic", "The Atlantic", and sometimes even the "New York Times"... none of which have written anything suggesting that anything you said is true.

What papers are you reading?

Mix in a little of National Review for a different point of view

 

[rontdtarchala]

How is it that one of the most sought after terrorists of the 70's can suddenly become a freedom fighter...how is it that a group of people that have been forced to leave every arab country is expected to suddenly act civilized even though they live in an area bordering a people that the entire middle east wants to annialate (sorry about the spelling) into non-existence. What would your reaction be if your family was evaporated by a terrorist who is supported by all of the Islamic extremist countries in the region. Would you retaliate..........If you think Palistinians are acting on their own........your---hell no I'll say it, your an idiot!! Your children are sitting at a pizza parlor enjoying an evening of comradery and in an instant are gone......you send a missle strike to take out the building that is housing those bastards, but because they are cowards (and that is exactly what they are) they have their headquarters in the middle of civilians were collatoral damage is apparent. Better yet you live in a land given to you by.....GOD, yet you are expected by the world to give up 2/3 of it! They do not want peace, they want the extinction of the Jewish people. No concessions will be enough, no peace efforts will be successful. If they blow up innocent israelis they are fighting for their freedom. If Israel strikes back they are terrorists! I am sick of people who have no idea of whats taking place to condemn my people. If it wasn't for the restraint of Israel we would have taken out all of those countries years ago. It doesn't happen for reasons of [world peace]....what a joke! Think we can't...why did they call it the 6 freakin day war! Ask kaddafi how good the military is. No one wanted to deal with the palastinians. Not jordan (kicked them out) not lebanon (kicked them out) not syria (kicked them out) not egypt (getting the drift) Usually this is where I apologize for my ranting...not this time!

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I read "The Economist", "The New Republic", "The Atlantic", and sometimes even the "New York Times"... none of which have written anything suggesting that anything you said is true.

What papers are you reading?

Then you don't read the Economist closely enough.

P.11 August 13th, 2005
"Goodbye to Gaza"

There are plenty of others.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

How is it that one of the most sought after terrorists of the 70's can suddenly become a freedom fighter...how is it that a group of people that have been forced to leave every arab country is expected to suddenly act civilized even though they live in an area bordering a people that the entire middle east wants to annialate (sorry about the spelling) into non-existence. What would your reaction be if your family was evaporated by a terrorist who is supported by all of the Islamic extremist countries in the region. Would you retaliate..........If you think Palistinians are acting on their own........your---hell no I'll say it, your an idiot!! Your children are sitting at a pizza parlor enjoying an evening of comradery and in an instant are gone......you send a missle strike to take out the building that is housing those bastards, but because they are cowards (and that is exactly what they are) they have their headquarters in the middle of civilians were collatoral damage is apparent. Better yet you live in a land given to you by.....GOD, yet you are expected by the world to give up 2/3 of it! They do not want peace, they want the extinction of the Jewish people. No concessions will be enough, no peace efforts will be successful. If they blow up innocent israelis they are fighting for their freedom. If Israel strikes back they are terrorists! I am sick of people who have no idea of whats taking place to condemn my people. If it wasn't for the restraint of Israel we would have taken out all of those countries years ago. It doesn't happen for reasons of [world peace]....what a joke! Think we can't...why did they call it the 6 freakin day war! Ask kaddafi how good the military is. No one wanted to deal with the palastinians. Not jordan (kicked them out) not lebanon (kicked them out) not syria (kicked them out) not egypt (getting the drift) Usually this is where I apologize for my ranting...not this time!

Easy sport...no one condemned the Israelis.

I merely spoke the truth...both sides have done many horrible things.

Quaker schools have been shelled (which harbored no one)...Palestinian villages shelledvand many innocents killed...Israeli children killed...innocent people on both sides trying to live wiped out in the blink of an eye.

It's a horrible situation...but the blood of innocents drenches the hands of both sides.

 

[Óglaigh_na_hÉireann]

Then you don't read the Economist closely enough.

P.11 August 13th, 2005
"Goodbye to Gaza"

There are plenty of others.

I remember that article, I'll try and find it.

I'll admit that there's a very real possibility that Israel uses reprisals.

Reprisals aren't pretty, but against normal-minded people they work. Believe it or not, reprisals do work fairly well in discouraging rocket attacks from Lebanon. What we are seeing now is both a long awaited 'clean-up' of the Hezbollah command in Lebanon and an attempt to deter future rocket attacks from Gaza.

 

[BGIF]

Israel has time and again proven itself to be the civilized side.

Frequently my young friend, you write way beyond your years (that's a compliment). This isn't one of those times. Dig deeper.

Both sides have dirty hands. Israel has the cleaner hands but they're not clean. Your statement is too black and white. See Sabra and Shatila in the early 80's.

The truth of the matter is that if the Palestinians had the weapons the Israelis did and the Israelis had the weapons the Palestinians do, the Palestinians would murder every Jew they could find.

Quite possibly as the extremists have sworn to do so.

... I think it's time all the Palestinians were sent to Jordan and other surrounding Arab countries.

Those who forget history are bound to repeat it.

particularly in the Middle East.

"Black September" ring any bells?

In '67 Israel won an astounding victory in the Six Day War. Among other areas the Israelis occupied the West Bank of the Jordan River which was part of Jordan. The population was largely Palestinian and they fled in droves to Jordan. After the war the Palestinians launched guerrilla raids into Israel from Jordan. The Israelis retailiated. Sound familiar?

The Israelis sent in an expeditionary force as they would in Lebanon years laters. But it was small and the Jordanian army defended their homeland and drove them out. The Palestinians and a guy named Yasser Arafat claimed victory although it was the Jordanian Army that did the fighting.

The friciton grew daily between the Palestinians and the government of Jordan. The Palestinians refused the right of the Jordanian police and army to govern Palistinian refugee camps in Jordan although Jordanian land. They collect taxes and set up their own government. They captured Jordanian soldiers and armed conflicts ensued over the next year and a half or so.

In September '70, Palestinian factions highjacked several airliners, US, Swiss, British, and I think one other country's and brought the planes to Jordan to embarass Hussein's government. It was a hugh P.R. coup for the Palestinians. The Free World comdemned the action but al Fatah's got lots of new recruits. Fatah sensing momentum was on their side took over the PLO. Hussein forces attacked and bloodied the Palestinians.

Peace was brokered by the Arab nations (Nasser?) but incidents continued. A year or so later the PLO tried to overthrow Hussein's government. Civil war erupted.

Interesting sidebar, the Palestinians forces based in Syria and had brokered with the Syrians to support them against the Jordanians (Hussein was pro-West). Hussein in turn asked the Brits and US for help and they got the Israelis to provide air cover to keep the Syrians based forces out. The Israelis planes buzzed the invading tanks and they turned back to Syria. Without the Syrian support, Hussein's army destroyed the Palestinian forces.

Arafat and company were exiled. Most ended up in Lebanon. See the Lebanon Civil War, Highjackings, Guerrilla Raids into Israel, Israeli Invasion of Southern Lebanon, Infantida, etc, etc, etc.

My dates may be a little fuzzy but that's the gist. It's happened over and over again.

Arabs want a Palestinian homeland but Arab Nations don't want Palestinians in their backyard. Not Jordan, not Egypt, not Lebanon, not Syria, not Saudia Arabia. Even Quaddfi doesn't want them in his backyard.

 

[KMac151993]

I vote we just give the whole area to Canada, that way no one can fight over it anymore....just a bunch of stupid idiots over there that have nothing better to do then blow themselves up.....must all be Purdue fans, because I know I would if I had to watch Purdue and Joe Tiller.

 

[jiggafini19]

We should all act like we dont care ,stop sending them both money.

I want to know how we keep giving all these nations money and aid while we keep sinking further into debt. Can't take care of our own people, but we're shelling out money all over the world.

Nothing will ever change. Thousands of years of fighting won't just go away. To these people, it is as common as breathing.