Very Post Game Observations (Michigan State) ....

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It feels like Kelly is scared to get creative and open the play book with Tommy at the helm. Let the kids play. He is our QB, we will win or go down with him.

He doesn't need to run for this offense to be successful. He can do up tempo, he can do most of the throws, he can read the defense, he can do progression. Let's use these traits instead of playing afraid all the time.
 

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Uptempo can lead to more punts and leaving the D out on the field longer. I don't know why everyone thinks this is the answer.

I understand what your saying completely uptempo with Tommy would be a disaster in my opinion. Tommy could be a game manager but would need to be under center more out of the I formation or even the pistil with a fb. Running the football & throwing off play action. That would be Tommy's game. The ball needs to be in the hands of our playmakers & even though we haven't seen a lot of them this year yet I think it's safe to say Bryant & Folston are our future there give them the Rock & let them make plays.
 
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My thoughts:

- TJ Jones, love his effort. Reminds me of Donald Driver in the sense that he has great hands and brings 100% effort every play.

- Rees was off target, but didn't hurt us with his play.

- Nice to see BK trust two freshman WRs, and they rewarded him by playing hard and making plays.

- OL absolutely dominated in pass protection (more on this later). Not very impressive in run blocking, though. I watched LSU's OL later that night, and you watch two plays and you see the difference in the OL in the run game. Their OL deliver blows on running plays, ours get stood too often. Big difference in strength.

- Nix played good again. It's not a glamorous position, so I give him credit for keeping his cool, but personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him lay into the other DL. If he's getting smashed by doubles all game, the other DL need to reward him by winning one on ones. Sometimes playing for a teammate/coach you respect drives you more than you can yourself. I hope others are taking notice of how hard Nix is working and what he's doing for this team.

- IDK what it is with Tuitt, but he's a little overrated. Still talented and could be a late 1st round pick IMO, but he's not winning one on ones like he should be.

- Jarret Grace runs extremely funny. Just an observation, but he looks like a newly born baby deer that's trying to stand for the first time. Maybe it's the octopus-like arms, IDK.

- More on BK and trust. He showed it with his young WRs and they played well. IDK what's going on in the backfield, but personally I cannot stand watching GAIII play RB. His track speed isn't translating to football speed, he can't catch well, and he runs like a wet napkin. IDK why he keeps getting reps, but as a fan I'm upset that GB/Folston/Amir aren't getting the ball more, and I can't imagine how frustrated those players themselves must be. I don't blame the young guys if they consider transfers, although I expect their playing time to increase and hopefully they stay. As far as the Bryant transfer rumors go, the writing is on the wall IMO.

- Back to our OL and protection. Our offense is tough to watch, but imagine if we had Golson coupled with all of the time they give us to pass. He would have his 5 seconds in the pocket, roll out to extend it another 5 seconds, and we'd be making big plays all over the field I bet. I think our play calling stinks, but we're underestimating how important a mobile QB is nowadays.

I was told I was crazy when I said this offense would average 10 points less per game this year since Golson is out, and I think it's true. And pointing to PPG last year doesn't mean much, because Golson was playing much better and the learning curve was looking good at the end of last year, not to mention our outside weapons are better this year. This year's not going to be fun to watch, but the coaches need to just stay afloat. Golson out really set us back offensively. We were set to make huge plays this year IMO.
 
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I understand what your saying completely uptempo with Tommy would be a disaster in my opinion. Tommy could be a game manager but would need to be under center more out of the I formation or even the pistil with a fb. Running the football & throwing off play action. That would be Tommy's game. The ball needs to be in the hands of our playmakers & even though we haven't seen a lot of them this year yet I think it's safe to say Bryant & Folston are our future there give them the Rock & let them make plays.

That's the entire point of going uptempo!!

We have tons of playmakers but most of the play clock is spent with Tommy over-analyzing the defense instead of being a point guard and quickly distributing the ball to our playmakers.
 

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I believe it was the Shamrock Series Maryland game where Rees went uptempo and it worked out pretty well. Sure it might not have worked against State as well, but we could've run it against Temple and Purdue, probably michigan too.
 

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That's the entire point of going uptempo!!

We have tons of playmakers but most of the play clock is spent with Tommy over-analyzing the defense instead of being a point guard and quickly distributing the ball to our playmakers.

I understand what your saying completely but I'm saying that's not Tommy's game if we had someone like Landry Jones, Tony Pike, Exc we could depend on the QB to pick teams apart but he can't do that, not even close.
 

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I mean if we go uptempo we would have to sacrifice subbing in our 5 different RB's, correct?

Either way, not going to work with Tommy. His upside is his ability to read pre-snap and guide the OL (save yesterday). Why take that away? Absurd.
 

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My thoughts:
- WE. HAVE. NO. RUNNING. GAME.
- Tommy had more over throws than completions. I like that DaVaris can be a deep threat, but we don't have to go deep on every play. We need to start moving the ball with short pass plays.
- Our o-line should be #1 in the country for pass blocking.
- The defense played their best game all year.
 

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I mean if we go uptempo we would have to sacrifice subbing in our 5 different RB's, correct?

Either way, not going to work with Tommy. His upside is his ability to read pre-snap and guide the OL (save yesterday). Why take that away? Absurd.


I see no evidence that this is true. This seems to be a one of those myths that if said enough times it becomes reality. Now I will certainly keep an open mind if someone can provide some definitive examples of this alleged ability.
 

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I see no evidence that this is true. This seems to be a one of those myths that if said enough times it becomes reality. Now I will certainly keep an open mind if someone can provide some definitive examples of this alleged ability.

It's something BK has said repeatedly and on multiple occasions, you can see him move RBs into the correct spot to pick up a blitz.
 

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I see no evidence that this is true. This seems to be a one of those myths that if said enough times it becomes reality. Now I will certainly keep an open mind if someone can provide some definitive examples of this alleged ability.

The lack of Tommy seeing pressure against blitzes despite no mobility is also a pretty good indicator.
 

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The lack of Tommy seeing pressure against blitzes despite no mobility is also a pretty good indicator.

All that means is that the offensive line is pass blocking very well not an indication that he changed the play.
 

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I see no evidence that this is true. This seems to be a one of those myths that if said enough times it becomes reality. Now I will certainly keep an open mind if someone can provide some definitive examples of this alleged ability.

How about the first play from scrimmage this year? Saw safeties and olb cheating up, checked to run which Amir took 40 yes untouched.

Or, how about Mayock in the first quarter talking about how Pat Narduzzi, one of the top DC's in CFB, was very high on Tommy's intelligence and ability to get ND into favorable match-ups?
 

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How about the first play from scrimmage this year? Saw safeties and olb cheating up, checked to run which Amir took 40 yes untouched.

Or, how about Mayock in the first quarter talking about how Pat Narduzzi, one of the top DC's in CFB, was very high on Tommy's intelligence and ability to get ND into favorable match-ups?

You realize the Temple lost to Fordham. How about when it is third and one, the defense brings up both safeties making nine in the box and they run it into the line. Please explain.
 

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How about the first play from scrimmage this year? Saw safeties and olb cheating up, checked to run which Amir took 40 yes untouched.

Or, how about Mayock in the first quarter talking about how Pat Narduzzi, one of the top DC's in CFB, was very high on Tommy's intelligence and ability to get ND into favorable match-ups?


Also, do you really expect the DC to call the opposing QB a clueless weak armed incompetent. Just listen to Kelly's press conferences. Every team we play has a roster inundated with extremely talented players being coached by geniuses. Heck, I thought that Temple's current team was the reincarnation of the seven blocks of granite.
 

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You realize the Temple lost to Fordham. How about when it is third and one, the defense brings up both safeties making nine in the box and they run it into the line. Please explain.

You asked for evidence that he has made adjustments, getting into favorable match-ups. When one of the top DC's in the country highly praises him for doing precisely this, how is that not evidence?

What the hell does losing to Forham have to do with anything??

LOL at keeping an open mind.

What third and one when they ran into an overloaded box? Was it near the end of a game (ie. To kill clock time)? Against MSU they were usually (always?) empty on third and short.
 

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Also, do you really expect the DC to call the opposing QB a clueless weak armed incompetent. Just listen to Kelly's press conferences. Every team we play has a roster inundated with extremely talented players being coached by geniuses. Heck, I thought that Temple's current team was the reincarnation of the seven blocks of granite.

No, I'd expect him to say nothing. Can't remember quotes of Kelly or Diaco saying opposing QB's do a great job of reading defenses. If you've got examples/quotes of them doing this that you can share, please do.
 
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I see no evidence that this is true. This seems to be a one of those myths that if said enough times it becomes reality. Now I will certainly keep an open mind if someone can provide some definitive examples of this alleged ability.

Do you watch other teams play, or do you just ignore it when he directs blocking schemes on 25% of plays?
 

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I see no evidence that this is true. This seems to be a one of those myths that if said enough times it becomes reality. Now I will certainly keep an open mind if someone can provide some definitive examples of this alleged ability.

What exactly do you think Tommy is doing presnap when he is yelling stuff to everyone for a solid 20 seconds?
 
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What exactly do you think Tommy is doing presnap when he is yelling stuff to everyone for a solid 20 seconds?

Probably laughing about how lucky he is to be in instead of Hendrix or the true freshman Zaire... amirite?
 

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Probably laughing about how lucky he is to be in instead of Hendrix or the true freshman Zaire... amirite?

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You realize the Temple lost to Fordham. How about when it is third and one, the defense brings up both safeties making nine in the box and they run it into the line. Please explain.

I didn't say he called audibles. I said he gets the OL into the right coverages most of the time to pick up blitzes. This is a play-calling complaint, not a Tommy complaint.
 

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I didn't say he called audibles. I said he gets the OL into the right coverages most of the time to pick up blitzes. This is a play-calling complaint, not a Tommy complaint.

I need to apologize. I re-read your original post and incorrectly interpreted what you were saying. I originally thought you were claiming that TR was reading the defenses and checking into a different play. Sorry.
 

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Haven't read the comments so I'm not sure it was discussed. Has anyone else noticed the offensive linemen are tipping off plays with their stance? Niklas is the worst, especially when he stays in to help with pass protection.
 

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Hey Acamp, you obviously watched the game while not sideways, did you think some of the high throws were timing, with the receivers being disrupted by the MSU DB's?

I think this part has some relevancy, and I think the coaching staff believes the same. When BK was asked about the PI calls he mentioned that MSU DBs were pulling and tugging on our WRs all game long, Then in the PC he said Rees put the ball where it needed to be. Putting those two together leads me to believe Rees was putting the ball where the WRs should be, and they weren't there because they were being disrupted by the DBs.
 

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I'm pretty sure Kelly used 2 QBs Tony Pike & Zach Collaros.

Bogs can back me up on this (if he remembers my lengthy tangent on the subject), but for everyone else this is a PSA:

This is one of my biggest pet peeves in the world lol. Brian Kelly did NOT use a 2-QB system at UC. He used a 4 QB system at UC that was based on injuries. He did not use a "change of pace" QB or alternate QB (actually, he did once that I can recall, and it was a TE that lined up as the QB. He put stud/athletic freak Travis Kelce at QB against Rutgers in the redzone for two plays in 2008 or 2009).

The only time you could say that he actually rotated QBs was in 2008. Dustin Grutza got injured, Pike took over and played. Eventually Pike missed two games due to injury, so Chaz Anderson and Zach Collaros both got reps to see who had more command of the offense. Late in the season, with Pike back at the helm, BK used a "rotation" for 5 or 6 plays against Louisville to get Grutza some reps late in the season. That was the only time he actually used the "change of pace" 2-QB system.

It is a myth that BK used a 2-QB system, and as a UC fan it bothers me haha.
 
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