Do we gain a scholarship from Samardzija?

[Irish Envy]

With Jeff signing his pro baseball contract, does his scholarship open up? If I remember correctly, I believe you are not eligible for scholarship. I haven't went hunting in the NCAA rules, but I could have swore that's right.

I believe this was the case for Deion Sanders at FSU, Doug Johnson at Florida, etc.

 

[Irish Envy]

12.1.2 Amateur Status if Professional in Another Sport.
A professional athlete in one sport may represent a member institution in a different sport. However, the student-athlete cannot receive institutional financial assistance in the second sport unless the student-athlete:

(a) Is no longer involved in professional athletics;
(b) Is not receiving any remuneration from a professional sports organization; and
(c) Has no active contractual relationship with any professional athletics team. However, an individual may remain bound by an option clause in a professional sports contract that requires assignment to a particular team if the student-athlete’s professional career is resumed.

12.1.2.1 Professional at Later Date.
If the individual later becomes involved in professional athletics while still a student-athlete with remaining eligibility, the individual would be considered to have violated the principles of ethical conduct per Bylaw 10, thus rendering the individual ineligible for intercollegiate competition.

Source: Division I Manual

 

[Irish Envy]

Just found that in the manual. I think that we would recoup the scholarship unless (c) is met above. Wonder if Zibby is the same way since he signed on to fight three matches?

 

[markwojo]

What difference does it make? Outside of rewarding a walk on which is nice, his scholarship was already coming free after this season.

 

[Irish Envy]

What difference does it make? Outside of rewarding a walk on which is nice, his scholarship was already coming free after this season.

That's exactly the reason. It would be coming up after the season but this would open it up NOW.

There are a couple two-three star players that bleed Notre Dame and if his scholarship opened up, we could possibly offer them. For instance, legacy lineman Nic Pozderac is one kid that wants to come to Notre Dame but isn't on the radar.

You can always benefit from having those Notre Dame souls on board. They try harder, which pushes the other guys.

 

[scooper]

I would not open up a scholarship for this next class. There are two maxes-the 25 in one year and the 85 total. The 25 can be circumvented with early enrollees only if the previous year had less than 25 total, such as what just happened in February.

Since the 06 class was full, the most players this class can have is 25. They were already aiming to fill those 25 slots, so it makes no real difference.

 

[KMac151993]

I thought though that if someone enrolled early it didn't count against the class.

 

[Irish Envy]

I thought though that if someone enrolled early it didn't count against the class.

It counts against the previous year's class.

 

[scooper]

I thought though that if someone enrolled early it didn't count against the class.

Only if there is room to count him against the prior class. The 05 class was small, which is why the 06 early enrollers could count against it. Otherwise, every team could simply enroll as many early guys as they could each year and have huge classes.

 

[polishdomer]

Fuzzy math...part deux

Fuzzy math...part deux

I would not open up a scholarship for this next class. There are two maxes-the 25 in one year and the 85 total. The 25 can be circumvented with early enrollees only if the previous year had less than 25 total, such as what just happened in February.

Since the 06 class was full, the most players this class can have is 25. They were already aiming to fill those 25 slots, so it makes no real difference.

Actually, there was a scholarship available for McCoy and we all know what happened there? I believe 3 of those early-enrollment schollies are being applied to the previous year's class which was 15 if I recall correctly. So that means that 23 out of 25 possible were applied for this year's incoming class. That could mean 2 early enrollees counting against last year's "max" of 25, which would mean we can take max of 27. Is my math correct?

 

[KMac151993]

I understand it, it makes sense...thats what I was trying to get at.

 

[markwojo]

That's exactly the reason. It would be coming up after the season but this would open it up NOW.

There are a couple two-three star players that bleed Notre Dame and if his scholarship opened up, we could possibly offer them. For instance, legacy lineman Nic Pozderac is one kid that wants to come to Notre Dame but isn't on the radar.

You can always benefit from having those Notre Dame souls on board. They try harder, which pushes the other guys.

Sharks scholarship would be available in '07 regardless. If the staff wants to give it to Pozderac or the like. The only benefit of it coming free now would be to reward a current walkon.

 

[scooper]

The class had 28 guys. West, Stewart and Aldridge count against 05. The other 25 fill up the 06 class. The spot left open from the McCoy situation is being filled by Yeatman.

Some 07 guys will probably enroll early, Clausen for example, but they will still count against the 07 class. There is no room to count anybody against 06.

 

[polishdomer]

Ahh...thanks

Ahh...thanks

The class had 28 guys. West, Stewart and Aldridge count against 05. The other 25 fill up the 06 class. The spot left open from the McCoy situation is being filled by Yeatman.

Some 07 guys will probably enroll early, Clausen for example, but they will still count against the 07 class. There is no room to count anybody against 06.

I forgot about Yeatman...thanks for the reminder...How does Hiben's schollie take a part in this year's recruiting?

 

[knute]

I forgot about Yeatman...thanks for the reminder...How does Hiben's schollie take a part in this year's recruiting?

Hiben's scholarship frees up one toward the grand total of 85, but you still can't have more than 25 per year. The 2007 class will be no larger than 25.

 

[BGIF]

Scooper and Knute have it right. 25/85

The only way the next class could take more is if one or more freshmen, other than Aldridge, Stewart, or West, left the program/school prior to Signing Day.

 

[dankus]

Scooper and Knute have it right. 25/85

The only way the next class could take more is if one or more freshmen, other than Aldridge, Stewart, and West, left the program/school prior to Signing Day.

Someone over at BGS is saying that Wolke is supposedly leaving the team, so that would possibly free up a scholarship, no?

 

[scooper]

Someone over at BGS is saying that Wolke is supposedly leaving the team, so that would possibly free up a scholarship, no?

No. Wolke was not a member of last year's class. He would free up a spot among the total of 85, but that doesn't add a spot to this year's recruiting class.

BGIF is correct, it would take one of the incoming freshman leaving to allow this class to be more than 25. Hopefully, that doesn't happen.

 

[BGIF]

Someone over at BGS is saying that Wolke is supposedly leaving the team, so that would possibly free up a scholarship, no?

In Division 1, an upperclassmen vacancy, counting against the 85 player maximum, can be filled by a JUCO or 4 yr college transfer. That's how some schools alway seem to recruit more than 25 players. They take 25 freshman in the incoming class to comply with the maximum of 25 in a class then add JUCOs or transfers to fill upperclassmen vacancies.

But as ND doesn't take JUCOs and rarely takes a transfer, if Wolke leaves the team he creates an opportunity for a walkon under the 85 maximum players but doesn't create another spot for a freshman as ND was already taking 25 in this class and there are no current vacancies in the 25 for the previous class.

In years when ND isn't planning on taking the maximum of 25 an upperclass slot coming open would allow a freshman to fill the slot but only because it didn't exceed the maximum of 25/year in a class.

Early Admissions at ND has caused some confusion as we weren't used to seeing it happen. Early Admissions can count against the previous year's total of 25 only if there are vacancies in that class (think Aldridge, Stewart, and West) otherwise they count against the next incoming class even if they're enrolled before Signing Day (Clausen).