Australian baseball player killed in OK by "bored" teens

[kmoose]

He is a civil rights leader and makes no bones about wanting to get black people justice. Initially the TM case was a possible civil rights issue as the cops let Zimmerman go without arresting him after shooting an unarmed black person....this is different as the persons in question are in custody and will face justice. What is so hard to understand about that?

Then don't take him seriously if it conflicts with your perceived reality. That's your right.

I'm not arguing anything, other than people have the right to question Obama's motives in the Trayvon Martin case, by pointing out his lack of involvement in other tragic shootings. I've already said that Obama's comments in TM case have little or nothing to do with THIS case.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm not arguing anything, other than people have the right to question Obama's motives in the Trayvon Martin case, by pointing out his lack of involvement in other tragic shootings. I've already said that Obama's comments in TM case have little or nothing to do with THIS case.

Grand. You argued magnificently. Lets move on cause every shooting/murder/rape/hate crime is tragic yes?

 

[Golden_Domer]

Yes. Its called the trial.

The trial and the investigation are two different things. I was asking if you think they should open an investigation into whether the perps committed civil rights violations, because as it stands, the Duncan, Oklahoma police chief Dan Ford doesn't intend on pursuing state hate crime charges.

When asked about James Edwards' anti-white social media postings, Mr. Ford had this to say:

“I don’t think there’d be any further charge,” Ford said. “I’m not discounting the stuff that’s on there, but they do that for shock and effect.”

Do you think the FBI should step in like they did for the GZ case and conduct a parallel, pre-trial investigation? Or are you satisfied with Mr. Ford's assessment of the case?

 

[Cackalacky]

The trial and the investigation are two different things. I was asking if you think they should open an investigation into whether the perps committed civil rights violations, because as it stands, the Duncan, Oklahoma police chief Dan Ford doesn't intend on pursuing state hate crime charges.

When asked about James Edwards' anti-white social media postings, Mr. Ford had this to say:


Do you think the FBI should step in like they did for the GZ case and conduct a parallel, pre-trial investigation? Or are you satisfied with Mr. Ford's assessment of the case?

OK. I will spell this out for you.

The local authorities deem it not necessary, apparently, as is their right by constitutionality and the above statement of the DOJ.

The suspects are in custody and admitted to being bored. This is pretty much a closed case already.

This case is not that hard. It is also completely different from the TM case as the police officers let GZ go after he shot TM (initially for good) and the investigation was to investigate whether that was acceptable and proper.

There is also little evidence that this is anything other than a murder. The TM case was substantially more complex.

So I will leave it up to the local people to decide, which most people would agree is the best option typically. And to answer your question, no I don't think it is warranted.

 

[Cackalacky]

I am thinking there are some white people want a white civil rights leader.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I am thinking there are some white people want a white civil rights leader.

 

[SaltyND24]

That's not what I said. But he stuck his nose in the last case and convicted a man of murder before the facts were laid out, did he not?!!?

My question was simple...Could these kids also not be "his son"?? Come on, Barack...Let's hear it.

Pat...come on bro...seriously give it a break...I known this is in the Leperchaun lounge but I'm so f*cking tired of reading the same ol bullsh*t time and time again...you don't like obama...we get it...anything that, in your mind, can be flipped to take a shot at him, you're gonna take...We get that...Hey Pat I'm black too, I could've possibly been his son in another life Seriously, I don't get your deal sometimes and I generally laugh it off but I seriously don't get your anger, borderline hate sometimes...So Casey Anthony could've been the daughter, sister, cousin, and/or niece of anyone who is white here? Are we really gonna stoop that low?? Chill out man...

 

[irishpat183]

Pat...come on bro...seriously give it a break...I known this is in the Leperchaun lounge but I'm so f*cking tired of reading the same ol bullsh*t time and time again...you don't like obama...we get it...anything that, in your mind, can be flipped to take a shot at him, you're gonna take...We get that...Hey Pat I'm black too, I could've possibly been his son in another life Seriously, I don't get your deal sometimes and I generally laugh it off but I seriously don't get your anger, borderline hate sometimes...So Casey Anthony could've been the daughter, sister, cousin, and/or niece of anyone who is white here? Are we really gonna stoop that low?? Chill out man...

You missed my point. It's been stated above by other posters.


Should our POTUS stoop so low as to stick his nose where it doesn't belong? I mean, why is it ok to for him to make idiotic statements like that and not have it questioned? Again, he brought this on himself.


It has nothing to do with Obama being black...but Obama dividing a country that needs less of that kind of talk from a leader.

 

[Golden_Domer]

OK. I will spell this out for you.

You really don't need to talk down to me. Let's just have a discussion without all the sarcasm and underhanded insults, ok?

It is also completely different from the TM case as the police officers let GZ go after he shot TM (initially for good) and the investigation was to investigate whether that was acceptable and proper.

That's simply not true.The FBI wanted to see whether GZ's actions were fueled by racial animus.

Here's a source:

[FBI] Agents are seeking information on George Zimmerman's background and whether he was racially motivated when he pursued Martin after calling a 911 police dispatcher about his presence in the community, an FBI official told NBC.

FBI questions people in Trayvon Martin case, begins 'parallel investigation' - U.S. News

There is also little evidence that this is anything other than a murder.

You cannot say that with certainty. You're taking the perps' explanation as fact that their sole motivation was "boredom."

And to answer your question, no I don't think it is warranted.

It's funny to me that you think the FBI's investigations (both pre-trial and the ongoing post-trial one) into whether GZ committed civil rights violations are appropriate, but that the FBI should stay out of this case (despite the victim being a foreign national) and leave it to the local police.

And that you think the fact that the Duncan Police Chief (keep in mind, police, not prosecutor) in this case doesn't think hate crime charges are warranted, and the perps' explanation of being motivated by boredom is sufficient, so let's just forget about whether they committed any state or federal civil rights violations.

Why wouldn't an FBI investigation be warranted here? There is evidence that Edwards is a racist. An FBI investigation similar to the one in the GZ trial would focus on the perps' background to determine whether their actions were racially motivated. Seems like a no-brainer to me; they should leave no stone unturned, especially in a case like this which has grabbed international headlines.

 

[Golden_Domer]

I am thinking there are some white people want a white civil rights leader.

If you're counting me in the "some," I'm not white. I'm a racial and ethnic minority. English wasn't even my first language. Nice underhanded joke, though. Labeling someone else a racist is a great way to end any discussion.

 

[irishpat183]

OK. I will spell this out for you.

The local authorities deem it not necessary, apparently, as is their right by constitutionality and the above statement of the DOJ.

The suspects are in custody and admitted to being bored. This is pretty much a closed case already.

This case is not that hard. It is also completely different from the TM case as the police officers let GZ go after he shot TM (initially for good) and the investigation was to investigate whether that was acceptable and proper.

There is also little evidence that this is anything other than a murder. The TM case was substantially more complex.

So I will leave it up to the local people to decide, which most people would agree is the best option typically. And to answer your question, no I don't think it is warranted.

And there was also little evidence that TM case had anythign to do with race based on the FACTS....yet it didn't stop the media from portraying it the way they wanted.

 

[irishpat183]

You really don't need to talk down to me. Let's just have a discussion without all the sarcasm and underhanded insults, ok?


That's simply not true.The FBI wanted to see whether GZ's actions were fueled by racial animus.

Here's a source:
FBI questions people in Trayvon Martin case, begins 'parallel investigation' - U.S. News



You cannot say that with certainty. You're taking the perps' explanation as fact that their sole motivation was "boredom."



It's funny to me that you think the FBI's investigations (both pre-trial and the ongoing post-trial one) into whether GZ committed civil rights violations are appropriate, but that the FBI should stay out of this case (despite the victim being a foreign national) and leave it to the local police.

And that you think the fact that the Duncan Police Chief (keep in mind, police, not prosecutor) in this case doesn't think hate crime charges are warranted, and the perps' explanation of being motivated by boredom is sufficient, so let's just forget about whether they committed any state or federal civil rights violations.

Why wouldn't an FBI investigation be warranted here? There is evidence that Edwards is a racist. An FBI investigation similar to the one in the GZ trial would focus on the perps' background to determine whether their actions were racially motivated. Seems like a no-brainer to me; they should leave no stone unturned, especially in a case like this which has grabbed international headlines.

Bingo. How is this case less of a racially movtivated one than the GZ case?

 

[SaltyND24]

You missed my point. It's been stated above by other posters.


Should our POTUS stoop so low as to stick his nose where it doesn't belong? I mean, why is it ok to for him to make idiotic statements like that and not have it questioned? Again, he brought this on himself.


It has nothing to do with Obama being black...but Obama dividing a country that needs less of that kind of talk from a leader.

my thing is what's done is done...nothing from this point forward is going to change what has already happened...so why are we still bringing it up? Honestly, our leaders do a fine job as you say of "sticking their noses" where they don't belong...That's what they've always done...argue about sh*t nobody really cares about while doing nothing about the stuff we really should do something about...Where is the outrage when we were spending billions to build up or aid other countries while we have a poverty issue at home? Why build schools elsewhere and shut them down or severely underfund them in our own country? Obama is the reason why our country is divided?? You and I both know that all Obama's presidency did was bring to the surface issues and feelings many people had all along...Let it go and talk about what we can do to make things better...

 

[Woneone]

You really don't need to talk down to me. Let's just have a discussion without all the sarcasm and underhanded insults, ok?


That's simply not true.The FBI wanted to see whether GZ's actions were fueled by racial animus.

Here's a source:
FBI questions people in Trayvon Martin case, begins 'parallel investigation' - U.S. News



You cannot say that with certainty. You're taking the perps' explanation as fact that their sole motivation was "boredom."



It's funny to me that you think the FBI's investigations (both pre-trial and the ongoing post-trial one) into whether GZ committed civil rights violations are appropriate, but that the FBI should stay out of this case (despite the victim being a foreign national) and leave it to the local police.

And that you think the fact that the Duncan Police Chief (keep in mind, police, not prosecutor) in this case doesn't think hate crime charges are warranted, and the perps' explanation of being motivated by boredom is sufficient, so let's just forget about whether they committed any state or federal civil rights violations.

Why wouldn't an FBI investigation be warranted here? There is evidence that Edwards is a racist. An FBI investigation similar to the one in the GZ trial would focus on the perps' background to determine whether their actions were racially motivated. Seems like a no-brainer to me; they should leave no stone unturned, especially in a case like this which has grabbed international headlines.

I believe you're both correct.

I think there was both a DoJ investigation into whether the Sanford police acted correctly in releasing GZ as well as the investigation afterwards (and their BS "Hotline").

I guess they really wanted to make sure things were "sufficiently remedied".

 

[Woneone]

If you're counting me in the "some," I'm not white. I'm a racial and ethnic minority. English wasn't even my first language. Nice underhanded joke, though. Labeling someone else a racist is a great way to end any discussion.

EDIT: Removed. Could be construed to reflect the above post, which was not the intent.

 

[Golden_Domer]

I believe you're both correct.

I think there was both a DoJ investigation into whether the Sanford police acted correctly in releasing GZ as well as the investigation afterwards (and their BS "Hotline").

I guess they really wanted to make sure things were "sufficiently remedied".

If you know of any sources that reflect that the fbi investigations went beyond looking at possible criminal civil rights charges against gz, that'd be great, bc from the reports that I recall reading, they did not.

 

[Woneone]

If you know of any sources that reflect that the fbi investigations went beyond looking at possible criminal civil rights charges against gz, that'd be great, bc from the reports that I recall reading, they did not.

Daily Kos: Department of Justice says it will investigate Sanford Police Dept.

And just to make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding, my picture was not in reference to your post, it was in reference to the sarcasm font post you replied to.

I'll take it down in case you thought otherwise, and I apologize.

 

[BobD]

I don't want to start another thread, but this story makes me equally sick to my stomach.What the Fk is happening to our world? Maybe it's time for a Dirty Harry or a Paul Jersey.

Arrest made in Spokane beating death of WWII vet Delbert Belton - CNN.com

 

[Golden_Domer]

Daily Kos: Department of Justice says it will investigate Sanford Police Dept.

And just to make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding, my picture was not in reference to your post, it was in reference to the sarcasm font post you replied to.

I'll take it down in case you thought otherwise, and I apologize.

Click the link to the full article:

I am now in the process of talking with the Department of Justice...

The Department of Justice has not announced a sweeping investigation yet.

I think it was all political posturing by Bonaparte (who was the guy that fired police chief Bill Lee). I was looking around and it doesn't seem the FBI ever actually opened an investigation, nor was there ever a statement from the FBI/DOJ regarding an investigation of the Sanford police dept. All I could find were various articles stating that Mr. Bonaparte had reached out to the DOJ, asking them to step in.

As for the picture, I knew what you were getting at. No offense taken. :awesomewo

 

[phgreek]

It seems this saga has come to an end...of sorts.

One of these idiots (passenger in the car) got a lesser sentence of accessory after the fact for for his testimony against the other two.

One (the driver of the car) got life with the possibility of parole

The Other (the shooter) got life without the possibility of parole

Is it justice...No. Is it the best our justice system can do...probably.

We've had the arguments before about the death penalty...rather you believe in it or not, its hard to think of a state of mind that is less human than that of these guys. I'm bored so I will entertain myself by shooting someone...SMFH. No hope for rehabilitating something that was never human in the first place...skin, bones, but no soul whatsoever.