Clowney, Bridgewater, Miller join Manziel?

[kmoose]

This. Michele Wie went through the amateur tours at her own choosing and because she was allowed to. Going pro, I am pretty sure means she had to play well enough to qualify for the professional circuit, though I may be wrong.

Yes and no. Golfers can participate in some events using sponsor exemptions. But the point was that there was such pressure to find the next "child prodigy" in golf, that they took a girl who clearly wasn't ready to compete against the women at a high level, and they were trying shoehorn her into competing with the men. And that was GOLF. You don't think that the High School football players will suddenly become celebrities, whose images and likenesses have high economic value?

 

[BGIF]

I get all this too... not sure where I fall here yet to be honest... still waver back and forth for a number of reasons...

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I waiver like ACamp for numerous reasons. ...

ACamp is vacillating on issuing exemptions to scholarship student athletes from the Extra Benefit Rule.

 

[Cackalacky]

Yes and no. Golfers can participate in some events using sponsor exemptions. But the point was that there was such pressure to find the next "child prodigy" in golf, that they took a girl who clearly wasn't ready to compete against the women at a high level, and they were trying shoehorn her into competing with the men. And that was GOLF. You don't think that the High School football players will suddenly become celebrities, whose images and likenesses have high economic value?

Are you saying she had no choice?

 

[kmoose]

Are you saying she had no choice?

No, I'm not saying that at all. But I fail to see what her freedom of choice has to do with anything? Eddie Vanderdoes had a choice to decline a college football scholarship. Does that mean that there is nothing wrong with the circumstances surrounding his recruitment?

I'm just anticipating that all of the factors that have combined to corrupt college football will likely trickle down to High School, once the spotlight is shining so brightly on it. And I believe that the spotlight WILL shine brighter on High School football, if college football becomes a semi-pro, or minor league venture.

 

[Cackalacky]

ACamp is vacillating on issuing exemptions to scholarship student athletes from the Extra Benefit Rule.

I apparently am relinquishing some known right or privilege lol...

 

[Cackalacky]

No, I'm not saying that at all. But I fail to see what her freedom of choice has to do with anything?

It has a lot to do with it. She chose to be an amateur. She chose to play pro. I am assuming she had at least some say going up against the guys. That is her profession and she was given the opportunity to pursue it at her discretion. NCAA Football rules do not allow this until 3 years after high school graduation (basketball is 1 year required).

Eddie Vanderdoes had a choice to decline a college football scholarship. Does that mean that there is nothing wrong with the circumstances surrounding his recruitment?

Wrong is in the eye of the beholder. The NCAA saw nothing wrong with breaking the commitment of an NLOI. You are saying he was wrong (or implying some wrong could be done?).

I'm just anticipating that all of the factors that have combined to corrupt college football will likely trickle down to High School, once the spotlight is shining so brightly on it. And I believe that the spotlight WILL shine brighter on High School football, if college football becomes a semi-pro, or minor league venture

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This why I am in favor of academies. I see nothing wrong with allowing the choice of going pro or playing amateur leagues as young adults in lieu of getting a higher education.

 

[kmoose]

It has a lot to do with it. She chose to be an amateur. She chose to play pro. I am assuming she had at least some say going up against the guys. That is her profession and she was given the opportunity to pursue it at her discretion. NCAA Football rules do not allow this until 3 years after high school graduation (basketball is 1 year required).

I see what you are saying now. I was not trying to portray her as exploited, just was using her as an example of how the quest for "the next best thing" corrupts sports at all levels.

Wrong is in the eye of the beholder. The NCAA saw nothing wrong with breaking the commitment of an NLOI. You are saying he was wrong (or implying some wrong could be done?).

Now that I understand what you were saying, about choice, the Vanderdoes analogy is moot.

This why I am in favor of academies. I see nothing wrong with allowing the choice of going pro or playing amateur leagues as young adults in lieu of getting a higher education.

This is an interesting idea. But I am not familiar enough with how academies work, to really offer an opinion on them.

 

[Cackalacky]

I also think that football is just a different sport. The passion and frenzy that surrounds it is unique, in the US. No one cares about college baseball, outside of maybe the College World Series.

High school and College baseball here in South Carolina is very big FWIW. CofC, USC, Clemson, Citadel, Elon.... are all very good baseball teams and routinely big draws.

Even The SOCON tournament routinely sells out every year. I don't know what will happen with the CofC leaving.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

I have some points about that (excuse my language, again):

1 - I think the biggest problem here happen when you force a player, especially a super star, to spend at least three years before they can join the NFL. It's time to change this. I LOVE the NHL format, where you can draft a player and he still can play in the NCAA to continue his development, we got a lot of examples on the ND hockey team. I do not know the MLB system a lot, where i think the player can choose between go to college or sign a signing bonus and make the jump to the pro league. But they have alternatives.

2 - Not every college in the country WIN money with the football team, in fact, a lot of schools have more expenses than revenues, many D1 schools and almost all FCS colleges lose money. A lot of football players are playing free while his college lose money because of the FB program.

3 - Why a Football player should be pay but not a lacrosse player? What's difference between them as an students?

4 - Like someone said before, and following the subject, if you pay college players, some HS players should be paid, maybe De'Anthony Thomas should be paid since his Pop Warner days.

5 - In 2008, Stanford spent $15,825,345 in tuition and feed on the football team. That's not enought?!

 

[Cackalacky]

This is an interesting idea. But I am not familiar enough with how academies work, to really offer an opinion on them.

Minor league farm teams for professional organizations. Think about a high school football player going to a farm team for the Dallas Cowboys to develop starting at 18.

The Universities would hate it and lose a lot of money. Won't happen here i think.

 

[WaveDomer]

I tend to agree that schools providing a full ride is enough on their part. However, your argument doesn't address the issue of players being able to capitalize on the market value of their personal brand. Why shouldn't JFF be able to accept $7,500 for signing hundreds of autographs? There is a legitimate discussion to be had about players ability to accept benefits

I get that, but they most likely get to capitalize on their brand when they graduate. Some don't, sure. But this is not uncommon anywhere in life. How many people work internships and contribute tremendous amounts to their org. and get paid little during that time? A lot of people.

For instance, take a fiction writer. You have some of the most talented people writing short stories that they spend weeks or months on. Then they submit them to magazines or literary journals that often don't pay or pay very little. But they are paying their dues and getting their work seen by people who matter, plus feedback from good editors (who are usually working for almost nothing too.) Same goes for actors who work in theater for years before they make it in Hollywood. Or comedians who travel the country doing stand-up in dives. Musicians etc. This is not uncommon. Artists are the easy example, but you can take pretty much any profession and apply it.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I get that, but they most likely get to capitalize on their brand when they graduate. Some don't, sure. But this is not uncommon anywhere in life. How many people work internships and contribute tremendous amounts to their org. and get paid little during that time? A lot of people.

For instance, take a fiction writer. You have some of the most talented people writing short stories that they spend weeks or months on. Then they submit them to magazines or literary journals that often don't pay or pay very little. But they are paying their dues and getting their work seen by people who matter, plus feedback from good editors (who are usually working for almost nothing too.) Same goes for actors who work in theater for years before they make it in Hollywood. Or comedians who travel the country doing stand-up in dives. Musicians etc. This is not uncommon. Artists are the easy example, but you can take pretty much any profession and apply it.

And that is immoral, too, and in some cases may be illegal.
Uh-Oh! Federal Judge Says We Might Have to Start Paying Interns

 

[WaveDomer]

And that is immoral, too, and in some cases may be illegal.
Uh-Oh! Federal Judge Says We Might Have to Start Paying Interns

There are paid interns. There are also people who volunteer or submit projects for no pay, like artists.

 

[TCramer]

According to Steve Spurrier on the DP Show, there have been talks recently of making another division for D1 Football. All the major conferences would join a higher division to help eliminate some of the inequalities that would result from players receiving benefits.

Here is the clip where he briefly discusses it...

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[Cackalacky]

Minor league farm teams for professional organizations. Think about a high school football player going to a farm team for the Dallas Cowboys to develop starting at 18.

The Universities would hate it and lose a lot of money. Won't happen here i think.

I was just thinking.... Implode current system.

What if instead of a playoff or bowls, we had the soccer style table, divisions, and points system where the top 16-20 teams in CFB played each other 1 game each. No OT. 3 points win, 1 point tie, 0 points draw. Team with highest point total wins and is the champion. Bottom 3 teams relegated. Top 3 teams of the lower division promoted.

All top teams play each other. No muss no fuss, no play off. We would be able to see all top teams against each other. Would America's head explode because of the ties?

Also has there been any news on Manziel? I have not heard.