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He's as big as a DE and Texas didn't want to wait for him to decide.

So he's going to Ann Arbor.

Ryan Mallett of Texarkana, Texas is 6-7, 235 and throws rockets. If there are five QB in this next crop I like, they are Clausen, Mike Paulus, John Brantley, Jason Munns and Mallett.

He's big, but he's not very mobile. Swats high school linebackers away like they're gnats.

Maison, Victors-- I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this verbal and what the Michigan masses are saying.

This, to me, signals that USC will offer Paulus. Munns only have offers from BYU, Arizona State and Washington State. Willingham hasn't offered him yet?
 

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Yeah, I really liked this kid, too. Rockets may not even be an apt description.
 

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Ronald Johnson tells Scout.com that Mallett already put in a phone call to him.

I hope Jimmy is working the phones.
 

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He sounds a little John Navarre-ish to me, kind of a mixed blessing in my book. Or that big oafish guy that played for Kentucky, what was his name? Jared Lorenzen? He may shed high school linebackers, but what happens when he's got an A J Hawk-type bearing down on him?

Actually, I don't follow recruiting that closely. For one thing, I don't have time. I follow the NBA, NHL, and NFL pretty closely, and there's only so much time in the day. And recruiting is the slimey end of college football...

Plus I'm skeptical about ALL teenagers, and how they'll mature physically and mentally.
 

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Another thing--what I've seen from Troy Smith and Vince Young the last two years, I wonder if the big, immobile pocket passer is the way to go these days. Have college defenses evolved in such a way as to give the mobile QB a big advantage?
 

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maison bleu said:
Another thing--what I've seen from Troy Smith and Vince Young the last two years, I wonder if the big, immobile pocket passer is the way to go these days. Have college defenses evolved in such a way as to give the mobile QB a big advantage?

I'm with you on this one.

Give me a guy that can take nothing and turn it into something. Pass first, but if all fails...run.

Is there a Tim Tebow/Demetrius Jones type of dual threat QB in this year's class?
 

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He will underachieve an UM...


Maybe the 'oft-maligned' low release point taught in AA will be a blessing, giving Mallet's titanic size...

WORD UP ENVYHEADS!
 

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6-7 235 is right.

Navarre is 6-6 and currently listed at 250. He wasn't that heavy at Michigan.

The other thing that makes me really wary of QB recruiting hype (and this goes for Clausen as well as Mallett)? Two words: Drew Henson
 

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First of all, I disagree with this whole mobile QB notion. There is no evidence to suggest that you need a mobile QB in order to be successful in college football. Simply because we've been burned by Troy Smith and Vince Young does not mean you have to copy that. Case in point: Notre Dame. Charlie Weis does not believe in mobile QBs, as far as I'm concerned. With a fairly agile and quick QB in Quinn, he could have easily drawn up a few plays with Quinn scambling. But it was pretty clear to me that Quinn not only wasn't scrambling last year, but rather that he was explicitly told not to. Another example of this are the USC QBs. And scamblers don't always succeed (a la MSU). Fact is, you have a system like that when you have the player. Otherwise, why was Texas pursuing Mallet so heavily to a point where they gave him an ultimatum. He obviously would not have been a VY type for them. The problem with the Texas system is that you are not assured of controlling clock. It's no conincidence that Texas, OSU and PSU had the BEST defenses in the league while using that system. And I think there's a pretty damn good reason why NFL teams don't succeed with running QBs (a la Mike Vick).

With respect to Mallet, I'm not surprised at all he was pursued. Ever since Carr became coach, the empahsis has been on recruiting big QBs with strong arms. Navarre, Henne and Mallet all have guns and are tall and strong. We have a history of great recievers with outstanding speed and leaping ability as well. We also have traditional OLs (big and strong instead of fast and agile) and TEs. A running QB would not be right given the players that are in place. Our whole offensive game plan is to run the ball, pass to the TE up the middle and then go for the deep ball. Sure, there are changes and modifications to that, and Mallet will need to learn how to throw intermediate routes up the middle to strong recievers (which is a much needed addition to our offensive arsenal). And we are finally starting to use the talents of our RBs in more creative run patterns (not just up the middle) There are also trick plays with end arounds and quick snaps to a reciever. Having this offensive diversity will allow you to both control the clock and take chances. The problem with Henne and Navarre was not their talent, but their attitude. Both of them had this annoying habit of choaking in big games and not allowing their talent to show on the field. Henne can still change this, and part of his lack of success does have something to do with inept coaching (although I still can't forgive him for single-handingly losing the ND game). Point is, I don't have a problem with this gameplan so long as you don't become too predictable and your QB just executes the game plan. Unfortunately, the lack of execution has led some to think we should radically alter an offense that has worked well for us in the past. That would be a mistake. Mallet is an outstanding recruit. All he needs to do is allow his talent to speak for itself.
 
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As for running QBs, Bass was a great threat at reciever because he played QB in high school. Unfortunately, he suffered a devestating injury in practice and will not be availiable this year. But we also have Forcier, who's a running threat. He MAY be incorporated into the offense if nothing is working.

As for Mallet's hype, I don't see any. He surely did not recieve the attention like Jimmy Clausen.

Oh, and Mallet has already started to make the sales pitch for Dione Allen. I expect more of this, especially to players that Mallet knows personally.
 

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Them Vince Young-Troy Smith types are AWFUL tough for D coordinators to prep for.

Michael Vick is an ESPN love child. If he decides to pass first, run second and learn what the hell he's doing, maybe he'll end up succeeding.

Vick scrambles. Young runs with a purpose. Young is also bigger.

I was under the impression that part of the problem the folks up north had with Carr is that he's conservative and predictable. I believe they offered runner QB Tim Tebow as well.

Change can always do good.
 
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WOW this guy is big, too big if you ask me I think he might be a sitting duck for fast linemen and linebackers. And he's still growing.

UM better hope they have a good oline when this guy starts.
 

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I think the best way to stop a running QB is to have GOOD CORNERS. If you don't have guys sitting back, the QB essentially becomes a running back, with his options severly limited if his guys aren't open. Keep in mind that the CB/S positions have declined lately. But whatever, even if I want change, I know it's not going to happen. Trust me, I've been following this team for a while now. They won't change their offensive approach. Again, since we do not dominate on defense, we must control clock on offense. And Tebow was not going to be converted into a running QB if he came. And change is not always good. No pro teams have had success with running QBs. Again, I think there's a reason for that. We run a pro offense.

The point about Mallet's size is really a moot point. If you're a drop back passer, it's not like you're going to escape if the line breaks. And since Mallet is STRONG as well as big, he can ward off defenders, like his did so well in hs.

More on Mallet here:

http://www.texarkanagazette.com/articles/2006/04/26/local_news/sports/sports01.txt

This Clausen is really starting to annoy me. His arrogance is unparalled. Weis had better control this ego. I just can't imagine ND with a hothead player like this. And with his attitude, that's going to make the QB compeition that much harder to control.
 

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This Clausen is really starting to annoy me. His arrogance is unparalled. Weis had better control this ego. I just can't imagine ND with a hothead player like this. And with his attitude, that's going to make the QB compeition that much harder to control.

Can you clarify this comment?
 

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From the article above:

"While Clausen, the top junior quarterback on most rating services, reportedly arrived in South Bend via stretch limousine and verbally committed to the Irish in the hallowed halls of the College Football Hall of Fame..."

Word is that he's made some pretty bold statements as well.

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/9393293/1

" Jimmy Clausen took the stage at the Hall on Saturday before a crowd of 300 drooling Domers and proudly announced his commitment to Notre Dame. The goal: "... to get four national championship rings," he said.

He didn't really say that, did he? You'd think that he/they would learn. Ron Powlus, in 1993, was the last ND quarterback recruit this celebrated. He couldn't even win measly Heisman Trophies. "

"Handled it? The family orchestrated it. It wasn't a coincidence that the announcement came hours before Saturday's spring game, camera crew from a cable network trailing him."

This reminds me of Chris Simms of Texas. This guy is posing to the cameras as a Junior in high school! In these cases, rarely does the player live up the hype. And, that my point. With his arrogance and thirst for attention, I can't imagine how this can be good for the team. The fact that Weis let his happen is amazing, perhaps a sign of his own misguided arrogance (which I can only hope he has). We would never tolerate that behavior here. Maybe a little talk, but no showboating like this. Of course, we always play well when the cameras are off (1997) and the expectations are not unrealistically high. These types of stunts, coupled with the humbleness of our future QB, will only benefit us.
 

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I agree with part of what you just said, yes, he does have to show me something, I know he hasn't thrown a pass at the college level so until he does, the jury is still out on him.

however to reference your quote, "perhaps a sign of his own misguided arrogance (which I can only hope he has)" I think you might be confusing arrogance with good business moves. It was a business decision plain and simple. It was a way to get people to talk Notre Dame football in April, it was a way to send shock waves trough the recruiting and football circles in America. It would be difficult for me to imagine if the tables were reversed and he committed to UM infront of the Big House, we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Now is it good for the team? well right now his "team" consists of 2 other recruits, he isnt on our field, he is not wearing our uniform, so right now, he is not on the team, he is mearly used for bait at this moment, used only to attract other recruits and start a slippery slope.
 

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He's arrogant because he's going to Notre Dame. Plain and simple. ND took a turn into Relevant town and oops, people are pissed off now. Deal with it. I've been eating sh*t sandwiches since Lou left and I'm sick of it.

If he had verballed to USC, no one would have a problem with anything like limos and championship rings. Michigan offered him and if Clausen had decided to go there, the reaction would be different. ESPN News press conferences, throwing hats in the trash or on the ground at the Army All American game....these things are okay, right?

I'm just glad he wore a suit and tie, which is more than I can say for some of these dopes that go on ESPN News and look like they just fell out of bed. If only he had gone to the podium in California surfing attire...I'm sure that would have just been one more hate bullet in the chamber.

It's funny how a fan base reacts when a recruit chooses to go elsewhere or to a rival school. USC fans actually claim Mike Paulus is their guy and has been. Sure. Think I'm still sore ND lost out on Butch Lewis and Gerald McCoy? Damn right I am. They would have only helped the team in the future. Don't see me slinging mud all over the place, do you? No. I wanted those guys. Just like lots of folks out there wanted Clausen and instead are now eating pissy Cheerios. My heart pumps piss for them. I'll rattle off a who's who list of guys ND has lost out on in the last five years. That's life.

I start a thread about Ryan Mallett as a mini olive branch and it suddenly becomes about Jimmy Clausen and Notre Dame's arrogance.

Why the f*%k to I even bother any more?

ND fans are as excited as ever and haters are spewing even more venom than they're used to mustering. The line in the sand has been drawn yet again.

And trust me, from someone who knows, change is REAL good. The 21st century is here. Big, slow, lumbering white pocket passers aren't a thing of beauty anymore. Give me a guy who can throw but has enough athletic ability to get out of trouble when it finds him. Teams with sh*t offensive lines should take notice.
 
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FAN--Fing TASTIC post Jiggs. ND Nation--Prep yourselves for ND hating/bashing for the next 15 years because C-Dub is going to get these big time recruits and the whiny a$$ fans of our opponents are going to try and make themselves feel better by trying to berate us and our team. KNOCK YOURSELVES OUT LADIES AND GENTELMEN. Bring it!

ND IS BACK and instead of eating those (what did you call them Jiggs?) $hit sandwiches, IT IS TIME TO START SERVING THEM UP HOT AND STEAMY to all those that take the field against us. Petie, LLLLLLoyd,and the rest of the nation--I HOPE YOU"RE HUNGRY!!!!
 

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jigg, that's one of the best posts on the subject ever.

And the guy didn't PREDICT four national titles. He said that was his GOAL.

Personally, I don't want players that don't WANT to win the title every year.

A few year ago, it was ND is irrelevant and will never win again. Then it was ND is racist for firing Willingham. Then it was Charlie can't recruit or relate to college kids. Then it was ND doesn't have the talent yet to win more than 4-5 games. Each time we move beyond the ND bash of the day, they have to find a new mantra. Now, when the #1 QB and maybe #1 player in the nation signs with Notre Dame, it's that he's arrogant for staging a press conference and stating his goal to win it all every year. When many of their kids have announced on national TV (Clausen didn't) while many have done the stupid hat thing.

We get it. The rest of the world doesn't like Notre Dame. I can live with that. And if the bash of the day is arrogance, I can live with that too. I'm glad our new QB wants to win it all. I'm not happy with 9-3. And I certainly wouldn't be happy with 5 losses.
 

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Sooner or later, they're going to win a bowl game.

Sooner or later, they're going to win an NC.

Then, they will be sell outs because of it for having fired a coach because the moron masses won't having anything else to spit in our faces.

You just can't win.
 
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jigg, that's one of the best posts on the subject ever.

And the guy didn't PREDICT four national titles. He said that was his GOAL.

Personally, I don't want players that don't WANT to win the title every year.

A few year ago, it was ND is irrelevant and will never win again. Then it was ND is racist for firing Willingham. Then it was Charlie can't recruit or relate to college kids. Then it was ND doesn't have the talent yet to win more than 4-5 games. Each time we move beyond the ND bash of the day, they have to find a new mantra. Now, when the #1 QB and maybe #1 player in the nation signs with Notre Dame, it's that he's arrogant for staging a press conference and stating his goal to win it all every year. When many of their kids have announced on national TV (Clausen didn't) while many have done the stupid hat thing.

We get it. The rest of the world doesn't like Notre Dame. I can live with that. And if the bash of the day is arrogance, I can live with that too. I'm glad our new QB wants to win it all. I'm not happy with 9-3. And I certainly wouldn't be happy with 5 losses.

Top to bottom, couldn't agree more.
Great post, Scooper.
 

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Geez, don't get all emotional. I guess I have come to expect that from ND fans. I never said Clausen wasn't a talent. He is an outstanding player, just like Chris Simms. I'm just telling you that the extraneous stuff (like his limo or press conference) might be a distraction. It has been to players in the past.

Extending an "olive branch," then proceeding to bash Mallet and calling him a big fat white guy, yeah, I guess that's ND fans extending an olive branch. And Jigga (while very fair in other posts), seems to be peddling a message (try to find a VY) that even his coach doesn't agree with.

The point is, Notre Dame doesn't need these publicity stunts. They already proved it on the field last year (kind of), so they have the attention. You will have no problem finding recruits this year so long as the success continues on the field.

But whatever, if you want to revel in a 9-3 season and call that the start of a dynasty, all power to you.
 
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Geez, don't get all emotional. I guess I have come to expect that from ND fans. I never said Clausen wasn't a talent. He is an outstanding player, just like Chris Simms. I'm just telling you that the extraneous stuff (like his limo or press conference) might be a distraction. It has been to players in the past.

Extending an "olive branch," then proceeding to bash Mallet and calling him a big fat white guy, yeah, I guess that's ND fans extending an olive branch. And Jigga (while very fair in other posts), seems to be peddling a message (try to find a VY) that even his coach doesn't agree with.

The point is, Notre Dame doesn't need these publicity stunts. They already proved it on the field last year (kind of), so they have the attention. You will have no problem finding recruits this year so long as the success continues on the field.

But whatever, if you want to revel in a 9-3 season and call that the start of a dynasty, all power to you.


Come on, Victors...Jiggs didn't say a single negative comment about your guy until you lit up on clausen. You - a Michigan fan - call a guy out - one of the most respected posters on this ND BOARD - and you expect, what...a polite "thank you very much, may i have another?"

Seriously, Victors - this is one message board where virtually everyone tries to accept another fan's constructive point of view, but you're putting words in our mouths. Nobody called the clausen commitment the start of a dynasty. Read through the boards - the message is consistently repeated - whether or not clausen lives up to the hype, he will be an immense boost to our recruiting efforts both this year and in the next few years. i hardly think even a Michigan fan can dispute that.

It's ok to voice your concern over the hype this kid gets. Trust me, the Irish fans here are far more concerned about it than you. After all, it's our team we're talking about. Just tone it down a tad and you'll find that you'll get a fair amount of respect around here. Maison Blue is a tireless U-M defender on these boards, but he's carved out his own niche on the board as the resident Michigan fan because he considers his audience before he hits "submit" on his posts.
 

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Remember this? What I said...

Troy Smith is the heartbeat of this football team. He is their leader. They will go as he goes. That last drive against scUM was fantastic.

Notre Dame has got to avoid the big play. That means tabs on Troy Smith, Ginn and Holmes.

And you said:
Smith is not a great QB. The reason he drove on us is because our defense was terrible. To stop them, you need to contain Pittman and force Smith to throw the ball, which he can only do well if he has time and if there's no pressure on him

Troy Smith has pretty much stuck it to both of us, hasn't he? And just about any QB is going to be better if he has time and no pressure on him. When the coverage was there and Troy had to get away, he did. Brady Quinn could not.

He's big, but he's not very mobile. Swats high school linebackers away like they're gnats.

The 21st century is here. Big, slow, lumbering white pocket passers aren't a thing of beauty anymore.

The first quote was in regards to Mallett, Victors.

The second was obviously not because it was in regards to the subject in question pertaining to the NFL. I haven't said a negative word about Mallett. Oh, I also said he was one of my five favorite QBs in this upcoming class as well. One more compliment and I'll be clinging to his nuts.

Quote number to is A general broad statement by me, thinking outside of the box. Running, athletic QBs haven't had much success in the NFL....to this point. The forward pass was once a radical concept. Athletes are evolving, my friend. My guy Maison seems to agree, in principle, with what I'm saying. And I'll repeat it, in plain English.

YOU CAN STILL HAVE A PASS FIRST MENTALITY. But when all else fails, why not have a guy that can CREATE SOMETHING WHEN THE PLAY BREAKS DOWN? That's it. Throw Vick into the argument. How about Donovan McNabb? He actually developed his passing, unlike Vick, and even went to that game....the Super Bowl. That's the one. McNabb understood he could not run first. He has to pass first, run second. Now he hardly runs at all.

But I'm sure that you, like many others out there, will find a way to chop up McNabb ala Rush "To the Buffet Line" Limbaugh. That 99 QB draft really turned out some turds. McNabb was not one of them. And considering those battery throwing, about as bad as New Yorker Philly fans wanted Ricky Williams, I'd say McNabb was a rather wise choice. He also hasn't been on any yachts having hooker parties either.

Yes, Frazer does not fit this mold. Clausen does not either. But Jones does. And while Weis wants Jones to be a pass first guy, you cannot escape the fact that Jones was a dual threat QB that played in a passing offense but also had DESIGNED running plays called for him at times. When his protection broke down or the receivers were covered, he was able to take off and keep drives alive by avoiding negative yardage plays. Kind of like what Brady Quinn was unable to do against Ohio State when they were constantly beating his ass into the ground.

I have a feeling Charlie Weis will be able to keep Jimmy Clausen very humble. I also feel Daddy Clausen had all to do with the presser and limo, not Weis or Notre Dame or anyone else with the university. They have no say in that kind of thing. He's verballed, it's over and that's the end of it. It was a stupid press conference. Yeah, he had a limo like Chris Simms did. But Simms showed up to CAMPUS in a limo. Clausen took one to a presser. At least he's not Ryan Perriloux, talking mad shit about LSU's QBs already there.
 
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I don't find Farrell's piece convincing at all. Personally, I don't care about the hats, but I find the stretch Hummer completely obnoxious. And why can't he announce from CA that he's going to ND? I don't get it. He's gonna catch just as much flack from the USC homers no matter where he makes the announcement. And Michigan has signed plenty of QBs from CA; I don't recall Tom Brady having to come to AA to make the announcement....

Personally, I think Clausen's announcement was calculated to do one thing and one thing only: hype Jimmy Clausen. And I hate hype. Our world is drowning in it.
 
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