2013 Spring Football Roster as of 2/9/13

[Redbar]

We need backers, inside next cycle. If Utupo and Moore don't make it this year, they shouldn't be fifth year candidates. We are already just behind and we will lose possibly six positions by the end of '13. If they work into the rotation, we would lose 4, but what advantage would that be unless they were starting material? And I think that is slim with Grace, Counsel, Rasaba, and Randolph behind them. I mean I can't find a vector for Utupo and Moore under Calabrese, over Grace, et all.

This position group stood out to me as well. We lose a bunch of guys next year, losing AA hurt a lot, we will need to make sure we focus here in '14 as well. Greer is a great first step in that direction.

 

[Grahambo]

Still early in the cycle. And another 11-12 win season will go a long way. There are guys we don't even know exist that'll get offered.

Why hasn't Gibbons been offered again?

 

[PANDFAN]

One quick thought: We have so many WR's! Is that the normal/appropriate amount?

What is normally a good number? 8? I don't have any idea.

looking at the list of wr's ...really it should be 10..massa is not going to be getting reps in a game

from the list of 10 then, 2 are gone after this year --smith,jones leaving just 8 which is a crap shoot between the remaining guys as only davaris has proven anything...yes chris brown caught the bomb but besides that you can't depend on * status coming out of high school so the more options to choose from... as some might not pan out/injured etc this is about perfect for what kelly was left with...it was as always poor roster management from before which backfilling now is what we are doing to be able to add depth

 

[Bogtrotter07]

looking at the list of wr's ...really it should be 10..massa is not going to be getting reps in a game

from the list of 10 then, 2 are gone after this year --smith,jones leaving just 8 which is a crap shoot between the remaining guys as only davaris has proven anything...yes chris brown caught the bomb but besides that you can't depend on * status coming out of high school so the more options to choose from... as some might not pan out/injured etc this is about perfect for what kelly was left with...it was as always poor roster management from before which backfilling now is what we are doing to be able to add depth

So what you are saying is we have 8 guys to grab their socks and rock by the end of 13. 8 guys is ideal, and so for the class of '14, all we want is 1 or 2 very highly rated guys, (and we will still be "over rostered" on wide receivers And, though Luke Massa doesn't appear to be near the top of the depth chart, he still counts against as a scholarship for this year?

 

[Old Man Mike]

I suppose that this will interest a few folks, so I'll post it.

Alabama played last year with a 116 man roster [85 scholarships and 31 walkons]. Here is the breakdown of the scholarships:

1). Saban carried 4 specialists [K,K,P,LS] and had walkon backups for each;

2). Five QBs [so do we];

3). Six and a half RBs [we carry six];

4). ten WRs [we carry eleven];

5). six and a half TEs [we carry five];

6). fifteen Olinemen [we carry 14 --- since five of these are our incoming freshmen, note the contrast for last season].

7). fourteen DLinemen [we carry eleven --- again, note the contrast];

8). eleven linebackers [we carry thirteen --- Diaco bias?, or just less confidence in our lower end quality?];

9). thirteen DBs [we carry EIGHTEEN --- which is why I've been moaning about "overstock" for a while].

The numbers for the offenses are about equal, with Saban stocking superior linemen numbers. The numbers for the defenses are not equal [Alabama 38; ND 42], yet Alabama has a significant DL numbers superiority despite less total. This is another reason that we should cut the glut on DBs entering --- elite yes, numbers, no.

What "insight" this really brings to anything I don't know. What I think that it says is that Coach was dealt a pretty lousy hand as to overall roster when he arrived [worse than I thought] and has had not only to scramble hard for repairs, but to risk somewhat unbalanced signings due to things like "three really good corners to start, but all quickly graduating leaving no one behind them". Result?: desperate over-signing of DBs/ATHs in order to hope for a miracle. I note that Coach played this bravely by going the "remarkable athlete route", which ended up producing 3 of our 4 DBs last season, albeit understandably raw.

 

[yankeeND]

I suppose that this will interest a few folks, so I'll post it.

Alabama played last year with a 116 man roster [85 scholarships and 31 walkons]. Here is the breakdown of the scholarships:

1). Saban carried 4 specialists [K,K,P,LS] and had walkon backups for each;

2). Five QBs [so do we];

3). Six and a half RBs [we carry six];

4). ten WRs [we carry eleven];

5). six and a half TEs [we carry five];

6). fifteen Olinemen [we carry 14 --- since five of these are our incoming freshmen, note the contrast for last season].

7). fourteen DLinemen [we carry eleven --- again, note the contrast];

8). eleven linebackers [we carry thirteen --- Diaco bias?, or just less confidence in our lower end quality?];

9). thirteen DBs [we carry EIGHTEEN --- which is why I've been moaning about "overstock" for a while].

The numbers for the offenses are about equal, with Saban stocking superior linemen numbers. The numbers for the defenses are not equal [Alabama 38; ND 42], yet Alabama has a significant DL numbers superiority despite less total. This is another reason that we should cut the glut on DBs entering --- elite yes, numbers, no.

What "insight" this really brings to anything I don't know. What I think that it says is that Coach was dealt a pretty lousy hand as to overall roster when he arrived [worse than I thought] and has had not only to scramble hard for repairs, but to risk somewhat unbalanced signings due to things like "three really good corners to start, but all quickly graduating leaving no one behind them". Result?: desperate over-signing of DBs/ATHs in order to hope for a miracle. I note that Coach played this bravely by going the "remarkable athlete route", which ended up producing 3 of our 4 DBs last season, albeit understandably raw.

We look to be very comparable. Stock up on the DL and let's rematch!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

What a good presentation, Yankee! A plethora of portent points. Shows what having 130 players will do for you and why it is easier for a school that gives one year scholarships. Kelly has to adjust through a four year cycle. Maybe that is where he grows a glut, where previously there was a shortage.

 

[yankeeND]

What a good presentation, Yankee! A plethora of portent points. Shows what having 130 players will do for you and why it is easier for a school that gives one year scholarships. Kelly has to adjust through a four year cycle. Maybe that is where he grows a glut, where previously there was a shortage.

Agreed. We have talked and talked about what everyone else does that gives them an advantage. I don't care what Bama does. I care what Kelly is going to do to make ND better than them. He has to figure out what we are allowed to do to give us an advantage on the field and he will. Kelly is always nice about saying ND isn't better than anyone else but you are shopping down a different isle. Well we are better and we will prove it, and Kelly is going to be the guy that made it happen. Losing is not an option and this will be rectified. Our roster is loaded from top to bottom, let the molding begin!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Agreed. We have talked and talked about what everyone else does that gives them an advantage. I don't care what Bama does. I care what Kelly is going to do to make ND better than them. He has to figure out what we are allowed to do to give us an advantage on the field and he will. Kelly is always nice about saying ND isn't better than anyone else but you are shopping down a different isle. Well we are better and we will prove it, and Kelly is going to be the guy that made it happen. Losing is not an option and this will be rectified. Our roster is loaded from top to bottom, let the molding begin!

Speaking of shopping. Recruiting is shopping, kind of, too, from a coaches standpoint as well. I believe Kelly is one of the best shoppers, and I believe Paul Longo is an artist. I can't help but think this is the best to make the most out of what ND has to offer. Not that they understand the philosophy of a "one game season," which will only work for one more year, I think we will be good. Remember after this season, it is a playoff. And Kelly has done that!