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From Scout.com today:

Demetrius Jones – Quarterback East Squad. Demetrius is coming off a rotator cuff injury and wasn’t scheduled to participate in the bowl game, but he did make it down to San Antonio to watch his future teammates compete. Jones said he is almost completely healed and that he’d be ready to go when he reports to South Bend in late June.

Demetrius is going to be one of the leaders in this class. He is very personable and people are just drawn to him. He was only in San Antonio and it seemed like he knew all the players from both squads. During my conversations with him, players continually walked past and said hello to him. At one point I nicknamed him “The Mayor” due to his popularity. Notre Dame will be good for Demetrius Jones and Demetrius Jones will be good for Notre Dame.

Nice.

While I was in the Doc's office today, I saw he was mentioned as the #1 to know about of 2006. Thought that was interesting.
 

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I have a feeling DJ will be loved at ND for years to come, long after he's finished playing.
 

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Irish All-American Bowl: West Squad
By Jeff Baumhower
Jan 10, 2006

Notre Dame had four players that played for the West squad in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl this past weekend. Irish Eyes was there all week talking to them and watching them practice. Here’s an in-depth look at each player from the West squad.


There was more to the player’s performance in the U.S. Army All-American than game day. The players participated in practices throughout the week. This group is primarily made up of offensive lineman, and they competed all week long against the two best defensive tackles in the country, Gerald McCoy and Al Woods. On the outside Bartley Webb was competing against Eddie Jones and Butch Lewis.

Matt Carufel – Offensive lineman: Carufel carries his 285 pounds very well. He definitely hasn’t topped out with his frame can easily carry another 20 pounds. Matt appeared to have good strength and was able to battle heavier defensive tackles to a stalemate. Matt faced LSU bound Al Woods throughout practice and he graded out very well in drills that favored the defensive player.

First and foremost Matt appears to have outstanding technique. He sets up well in pass protection, and blocks with his heels instead of being on his toes and reaching. He moves his feet well and doesn’t over commit. He has the strength and drive to ride the defender past the pocket. There were occasions that he got beat, but they were rare. More often than not the defender came away empty.

There weren’t many occasions to see him run block as the West squad worked primarily on the passing game, but overall Carufel is a physical lineman; he fires off the ball and gets into to defender. He didn’t put many defenders on their back, but effectively competed his assignment.

Notre Dame needs interior lineman that are capable of playing early in their career. I believe they have one in Matt Carufel.

Bartley Webb – Offensive Lineman: Webb is a very lean 290 pounds, and I’d have guessed he was closer to 280 pounds or less. At left tackle Webb went up against Butch Lewis and Eddie Jones and he struggled throughout the pass blocking drills, which was surprising considering the amount of passing his Springdale team did throughout his career. Bartley has the frame, and the arms to play tackle, but I think the area he needs o improve is with his strength. Once Butch Lewis got to where he wanted, he could muscle past Webb.

Several of the Scout.com recruiting experts didn’t think he was agile enough to play tackle, and that was a bigger issue than his strength. Maybe it was a combination of the two. One thing I do know is that if you asked Bartley, he would have told you he was disappointed with how he graded out. I do think he played better in the game.

When I asked him what he learned about the week he said, “I know I have a lot of work to do. I learned a lot.” The upside with Webb is that he is an intense competitor, and no one will out work him. When he got beat he punched the turf, got up and went back at it. He is his biggest critic and he expects nothing but perfection. He is a leader among the Notre Dame recruits and solid team guy.

Chris Stewart – Offensive Lineman: Much has been made of this kids weight, but don’t fret. Chris is completely aware that he needs to drop 30 to 40 pounds to compete to the best of his ability. In order to accomplish this Stewart wanted to get to Notre Dame and work with coach Mendoza and soon as possible. This was a major reason Chris decided to enroll early. This speaks volumes to me about the individual Chris is. He is goal oriented, recognizes areas he needs to improve and then takes action.

During the first few days Stewart struggled against Gerald McCoy and Al Woods in the passing protection drills. There were several reasons for his struggles. As I mentioned above the drills favor the defensive player. Stewart’s high school team rarely passed the ball, and he played tackle in high school. As the week progressed he started to gain confidence and by the end of the practice week he was the only player capable of handling McCoy on a regular basis. Stewart is modest and when asked about getting McCoy to the ground on one rep, he said McCoy must have tripped.

Stewart is very athletic for a guy his size and he has outstanding feet. I can’t imagine how well he is going to move when he gets down to 320 pounds and adds strength. He won’t beat many in a 40-yard dash, but in a five-yard box he can move.

Stewart is an outstanding student and it translates to the field. He listens to his coaches intently and learns quickly. On several occasions the West’s offensive line coach had corrected him on a particular point and on the next rep he made the adjustment. By the end of the practice week no one was getting past him. He uses his hands very well and doesn’t allow the defender’s head to cross his body. Once he gets into the defender it’s all over. Stewart finished the last three practices without a loss in the one-on-one drills against two great defensive tackles.

Off the field Chris is the nicest guy you will meet. On the field he is a tremendous competitor. If he got beat, or didn’t do something perfectly, he’d demand another chance. As one of the Scout.com national guys said, “He’s got a mean nasty streak in him.”

Another sign of Chris’ ability is that he played some center in practice, but guard is going to be his position and Notre Dame. He had some reservations about the change going into the week, but at week’s end he was very excited about the move and actually said he prefers guard to tackle.

I had very high hopes for Chris Stewart when I headed to San Antonio and he exceeded those expectations. He is a leader on and off the field, he is respected and he is well liked by all of his future teammates. He can also do the splits.

Konrad Reuland – Tight End: Throughout the recruiting process Reuland always seemed to be the cool California guy that simply rolled with the punches. That image wasn’t changed completely, but I certainly saw a different young man at the end of the bowl week. The moment the game ended I had a chance to talk to Konrad about the game and his thoughts on how he competed. What struck me during our conversation was how deeply competitive his is. I expected Bartley Webb and Dan Wenger to be players that were driven by their competitive nature, but Reuland probably topped them. Even though it was an all-star game, he was very disappointed that the West had lost the game and he acknowledge two plays he could have made that could have helped the team. Later that evening I had a chance to talk to him, and he was still running those plays through his mind. To me, that is a winner and that is the type of player I think the Irish have in Konrad Reuland.

I didn’t get to see Reuland block during the practice sessions. The West ran a spread offense and the tight end was usually split off the line. Konrad is an accomplished blocker and Notre Dame fans will get to enjoy watching a kid that enjoys ear-holing linebackers.

Reuland runs well and might come to Notre Dame as the most athletic tight end behind fifth-year senior Marcus Freeman. He has pillows for hands as the ball seems to settle in gently even on the hardest throws. Reuland can catch on the run and showed the ability to go down for the ball when it was thrown low and still maintain his balance. I didn’t see him make any spectacular catches, but I’m not sure there were any to make.

Reuland is lean at 6-6, 240-pounds. He definitely has the frame to add some weight, but he isn’t too far from being able to play right away at Notre Dame. With Anthony Fasano moving to the NFL, and the way Weis likes to use his tight ends, I believe Reuland might be the best bet to see quality playing time among the incoming freshman. Konrad is a great kid, very personable and a heck of a player. This was a huge “get” for Charlie Weis.

Morrice Richardson: Morrice wasn’t named to the U.S. Army All-American Bowl team, but the Georgia Gatorade player of the year did make an appearance at the game to take in the festivities and hang out with his future teammates. Morrice is much more slender than his videos show. He is roughly 6-2, 225 pounds with broad shoulders.

I like the fact that Morrice came to the game. It tells me that he’s itching to be a part of the team and that he is excited about the players in the recruiting class. The Notre Dame players that were in attendance had a great opportunity to get to know each other before they made their way to South Bend and this will make their transition much smoother. Charlie Weis and his staff did a great job of finding talented players that are also fantastic kids.
 

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Jones had no intention of playing and Richardson wasn't even on one of the rosters, but they both showed up in San Antonio this past weekend.

Off the field, these guys have already shown what kind of people they are. I like the fact that the cohesiveness is already building within the recruiting class.
 

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Double D Talks AA Experience
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Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park four star ranked dual-threat quarterback prospect Demetrius Jones (6-foot-3, 192 pounds) was chomping at the bit to get into the action at last Saturday's US Army All American Bowl, yet an end of the season injury kept Jones on the sidelines. Jones talks about his experiences from San Antonio and much more in this latest update.

"I didn't get to San Antonio until the Friday before the game," Jones said. "I could have gone down for the entire week but I knew that I wasn't going to play in the game, plus I didn't want to just hang around all week because it would have been really tempting to suit up and try to play."

Jones, who is recovering well from bursitis in the rotator cuff of his throwing arm, came away impressed with the US Army All American Bowl Game experience.

"I had a chance to go to the awards dinner and then the game on Saturday, and everything was done first class. I really wasn't planning to dress for the game at all but the Bowl people said that they wanted me to dress for the game so I dressed. They wanted me to get on the sidelines and to feel like a part of the team, and I'm really glad that they talked me into dressing for the game. I spent the few days I was there helping to recruit a few players. I didn't work any kids over too bad, but I just got around and talked to some of the fellas. Just getting to see some of these other guys play up close in pads was worth it for me. Just getting to hang out with some of the guys was great over the weekend and I had a good time. I tried to make the best of a tough situation."

Jones was obviously disappointed to not get a chance to play against some of the other prospects from across the country.

"It was tough because I wanted to show everyone that I belonged on that team and in that game. I guess what really matters is at the next level now. My focus is now on getting healthy and getting prepared to play in college. I'm ready to sign on Signing Day to Notre Dame and I'm confident that I'll get my chance to prove myself at the next level."

Jones also is encouraged at how his arm is healing over these past few weeks.

"The pain is basically gone now in my shoulder. It's weak right now, but that is to be expected. I haven't been released yet by my doctor to start throwing and working out, but that should come in a few weeks. Once I get released by my doctor I'll get back in the weight room and I'll start working on my quarterbacking skills and throwing."
 

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Chris Stewart will be an NFL guard someday. I can't wait to see him mauling USC defenders in South Bend in 07.
 
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Demetrius Jones on McCoy

Demetrius Jones on McCoy

Someone has posted on another thread that there was an interview with Demetrius after tha AAA game that commented on McCoy being a silent to Notre Dame. Anyone recall seeing that, and would they provide a link?
 

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polishdomer said:
Someone has posted on another thread that there was an interview with Demetrius after tha AAA game that commented on McCoy being a silent to Notre Dame. Anyone recall seeing that, and would they provide a link?

I've been looking for actual dialogue but haven't been able to find any text on it. They were talking about it over on BGI, but my subscription is out and I'm not renewing .

He said he's almost positive McCoy is Irish and pretty sure Young will be. In so many words.
 

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I've been looking for actual dialogue but haven't been able to find any text on it. They were talking about it over on BGI, but my subscription is out and I'm not renewing .

He said he's almost positive McCoy is Irish and pretty sure Young will be. In so many words.

Just curious as why you didn't plan on renewing?
 

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Just curious as why you didn't plan on renewing?

I've noticed that Scout, Rivals and BGI all pretty much tell you the same thing.

I get BGI in print via mail. I'm also moving on up to the East Side and getting a bigger morgage payment before summer comes. Hence, I'm cutting back. I'll keep Scout and Rivals for my scouting purposes come fall.
 

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Irish All-American Bowl: West Squad By Jeff Baumhower
Bartley Webb – Offensive Lineman: Webb is a very lean 290 pounds, and I’d have guessed he was closer to 280 pounds or less. At left tackle Webb went up against Butch Lewis and Eddie Jones and he struggled throughout the pass blocking drills, which was surprising considering the amount of passing his Springdale team did throughout his career. Bartley has the frame, and the arms to play tackle, but I think the area he needs o improve is with his strength. Once Butch Lewis got to where he wanted, he could muscle past Webb.
Several of the Scout.com recruiting experts didn’t think he was agile enough to play tackle, and that was a bigger issue than his strength. Maybe it was a combination of the two....

That was one of the best recruiting articles I've read. PLUSES AND MINUSES, not just fluff to make the fans feel good!

Bartley's Webb's strength issue should be no surprise. I've tracked ND recruits including 40 times, weight numbers, combine numbers etc for several years. Compared to the other ND OL recruits his are low. Keep in mind the numbers aren't collected at the same time and are usually self reported.

By comparison,
B (Bench Press ), S (Squat), C (Clean)

Webb B265 S450 C260
Olsen B350 S520
Stewart B390 S500 C275
Carufel -
Wenger B350 S550
Young B370

But from those weight numbers Webb should be at a disadvantage. Mendoza can build those numbers up like he'll tear Stewart's waistline down.
 

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Double D Talks AA Experience EDGYTIM

Jones, who is recovering well from bursitis in the rotator cuff of his throwing arm, came away impressed with the US Army All American Bowl Game experience. ...

"The pain is basically gone now in my shoulder. It's weak right now, but that is to be expected. I haven't been released yet by my doctor to start throwing and working out, but that should come in a few weeks. Once I get released by my doctor I'll get back in the weight room and I'll start working on my quarterbacking skills and throwing."

Good to hear the pain is subsiding. I'm guessing bursitis of the rotator cuff is a better situation than a torn rotator cuff. My brother in law got knock down by a big wave at the beach and was slammed into the bottom on his shoulder. He couldn't get his right arm raised over his head. Torn rotator cuff. Fully recovered after surgery and now has no problem picking up a wine glass. (He's a physician not a QB).

I associate bursitis with 40 year old week end warriors and 30 year old professional athletes, not 18 year olds. Now I've got some "shop" talk to chat about with my Orthopedist friend the next time we're out to dinner.

Anybody familiar with bursitis in a high school kid?
 
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It's a common overuse injury. I had a bit of it when I played soccer in high school.
 

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BGIF said:
To a de-lux apartment in the sky?

De-Lux Single family home. Fish don't fry in the kitchen, Beans don't burn on the grill. DY-NO-MITE!!

Google is great:

What causes bursitis?
Bursitis usually results from a repetitive movement or due to prolonged and excessive pressure. Patients who rest on their elbows for long periods or those who bend their elbows frequently and repetitively (for example, a custodian using a vacuum for hours at a time) can develop elbow bursitis, also called olecranon bursitis. Similarly in other parts of the body, repetitive use or frequent pressure can irritate a bursa and cause inflammation.

Another cause of bursitis is a traumatic injury. Following trauma, such as a car accident or fall, a patient may develop bursitis. Usually a contusion causes swelling within the bursa. The bursa, which had functioned normally up until that point, now begins to develop inflammation, and bursitis results. Once the bursa is inflamed, normal movements and activities can become painful.

Systemic inflammatory conditions, such as rheumatoid arthritis, may also lead to bursitis. These types of conditions can make patients susceptible to developing bursitis.
 

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De-Lux Single family home. Fish don't fry in the kitchen, Beans don't burn on the grill. DY-NO-MITE!!


Wasn't "DY-NO-MITE" Jimmy Walker in Good Times rather than The Jeffersons?


Congratulations and condolences on the new home and mortgage. Your President appreciates your part in helping build a flourishing economy in time for the next elections. Now get down to Lowe's, Home Depot, and Rooms To Go and keep that economy hopping!
 

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Jimmy Walker is Darius' father's name. Every time they show the Walkers during a game, my wife yells "Dynomite!"
 

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Wasn't "DY-NO-MITE" Jimmy Walker in Good Times rather than The Jeffersons?


Congratulations and condolences on the new home and mortgage. Your President appreciates your part in helping build a flourishing economy in time for the next elections. Now get down to Lowe's, Home Depot, and Rooms To Go and keep that economy hopping!

Yeah, I just kind of threw that in there. Two of my favorite Nick at Nite shows.

It isn't a done deal, but it appears to be all but over. New job in September, new pad by April/May.

All I need now is a cigarette, blindfold and an engagement ring to complete the circle of adulthood. Goodbye 20's. We had some good times.
 
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Good to hear the pain is subsiding. I'm guessing bursitis of the rotator cuff is a better situation than a torn rotator cuff. My brother in law got knock down by a big wave at the beach and was slammed into the bottom on his shoulder. He couldn't get his right arm raised over his head. Torn rotator cuff. Fully recovered after surgery and now has no problem picking up a wine glass. (He's a physician not a QB).

I associate bursitis with 40 year old week end warriors and 30 year old professional athletes, not 18 year olds. Now I've got some "shop" talk to chat about with my Orthopedist friend the next time we're out to dinner.

Anybody familiar with bursitis in a high school kid?
I'll be talking to mine in two days and will post if there is any addditional info. To a layman like me it sounds like bursitis is not as bad as a tear. We'll find out.
 
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Bursitits is not nearly as bad as a rotator cuff tear. The bursas around the shoulder are basically fluid filled sacs that reduce friction between muscles or tendons and the bones that they cross over. Bursitis is the inflammation of these membranes due to overuse/injury. Once the inflammation subsides, normal function should continue. However, bursitis can also result from calcification of the supraspinatus tendon (part of rotator cuff) due to injury. If this is the case, chronic pain and inflammation are more likely to affect shoulder mobility.

ROtator cuff tears are significantly more serious because the shoulder joint loses its stability. These injuries usually result in more serious problems because the tendons of the rotator cuff do not have a great blood supply and are very slow to heal. A serious rotator cuff injury can cause permanent loss of arm abduction (moving arm away from body as if standing arms-length apart).

The big point here is that Jones' condition depends on what is causing the inflammation. If the bursitis is secondary to a rotator cuff injury, it will probably affect his throwing motion.

At least med school is good for something!
 

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At least med school is good for something!

I had the feeling I wasn't reading a google reply. Thanks for the details but shouldn't you be studying?
 

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The bursas around the shoulder are basically fluid filled sacs that reduce friction between muscles or tendons and the bones that they cross over. Bursitis is the inflammation of these membranes due to overuse/injury.


So playing for Holtz circa '93 or in Rogers Bubble Screen Offense shouldn't pose a problem.

So how about AirWeis?
 
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This is the way of the future. Ten years ago, there weren't this many athletic passers out there. Ten years from now, the ledfooted drop back passer is going to go out with Zubaz sweatpants and Beta tapes.

On the flipside, some defensive coordinator will design a package that can control guys like this. What helps is having a middle linebacker that can move and get to guys like Smith, Young, etc. This is why Urlacher punishes Vick when they play.

Toryan Smith is a guy that can be capable of this. And with Richardson on the outside, things are looking good.
QB's were of this mode originally, then everyone realized that the forward pass could work....then came the pocket passer. Now we are starting over again, a few years down the road, the youngs and smiths will be converted to WR's.
 
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