The Mega Mitch Mustain Rumor Thread (Merged)

[BGIF]

Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer is one of the best books I've ever read. Truly shows how crazy Dixie is about their college football.

You had me worried....I thought it was something offensive or worse.

I haven't read it but will put it on my list.

As for offensive there was a move on campus a year to two ago to drop the cheer as too offensive (PC wise). It didn't succeed.

 

[jiggafini19]

I don't know.

I had forgotten about the injury although we discussed it some time back. I've got no idea of his fitness. Correct me if I'm wrong but unlike the pros, colleges don't get to check out prospects medically. I'd suspect that a kid with an past injury might want to offer a medical report to confirm treatment/rehabilitation but I don't know if a school could even look at it. I think they have to make a decision based on observing the prospect in high school action or at the USA AA practices/game.

Keeping the door open with Mustain does provide insurance.

Another thing that seemed strange was Jones sharp drop in the QB rankings. He went from preseason Top 10 to somewhere in the 30's but as I recall his stats and reports from the papers, and local's like you, still gave Jones rave reviews.

The biggest reason for the WR buzz (prior to the injury mention) I thought was due to his athleticism, ala Battle, et al, making him more adaptive than a pure dropback QB. He's also got a body that lends itself to Safety or Apache (with a weight conditioning and pounds).

Of course after last night, Weis might be more receptive to a highly mobile QB but that puts us back in the 3 QB scenario that doesn't seem to work with the apparent number of scholarships and needs.

I still consider him a better QB coming out of HS than Battle and Holiday. He's the second rated dual threat guy behind Tebow. His TD to INT ratio and completion percentage were very good. He has the extra dimension of being able to gain rushing yards off of designed and broken plays.

This injury occured late in the season. There really isn't much they can do for it but have him rest. It isn't serious enough for surgery.

I don't believe that colleges can examine the health of the prep players, but I'm sure they ask the coaches about any injury history.

Just a theory. I know Weis and Jones are close. Maybe this shoulder business is having them consider Mustain as the second QB and moving Jones. Maybe.

 

[BGIF]

Jones as a possible WR might also provide insurance if Parris' injury required more rehabilation.

 

[Irish Legend]

I would love the Mustain, Frazer combination!

 

[weisfaninmass]

I still consider him a better QB coming out of HS than Battle and Holiday. He's the second rated dual threat guy behind Tebow. His TD to INT ratio and completion percentage were very good. He has the extra dimension of being able to gain rushing yards off of designed and broken plays.
This injury occured late in the season. There really isn't much they can do for it but have him rest. It isn't serious enough for surgery.
I don't believe that colleges can examine the health of the prep players, but I'm sure they ask the coaches about any injury history.
Just a theory. I know Weis and Jones are close. Maybe this shoulder business is having them consider Mustain as the second QB and moving Jones. Maybe.

Jigg - you have been one of the few (as have I) that is not trying to push Jones out of the QB position. After watching multiple threat QB's in Smith, Shockley and the WV QB, all talk about him moving should be greeted with a "NOT SO FAST Myfriend".

 

[scooper]

I'd like to allign myself with jigg on the Jones at QB bandwagon. It's way to early to move him, and the only reason would be his injury, if his throwing motion can't recover. Mobile QB's can sometimes throw the ball. When you get one that can, they can be dangerous and special.

 

[jiggafini19]

I've seen him throw live and in person. He's got the goods and he has the agility to escape trouble. But he is a passer and a good one.

He's going to fit in one way or the other. He's got a chip on his shoulder, in a positive way. I can see how he and Weis could mesh. He'll play wherever they end up telling him to. I'm excited about the idea of a Chicago kid playing QB for Notre Dame, though. It hasn't happened in my lifetime, if ever (BGIF, BigDon?).

I don't know that getting Mustain would make ND any better down the road based on what is currently needed. These line issues should really be top priority right now. Right now, Gerald McCoy is really all that matters in my book. Even getting Butch Lewis would be a big time get.

 

[BGIF]

I'm excited about the idea of a Chicago kid playing QB for Notre Dame, though. It hasn't happened in my lifetime, if ever (BGIF, BigDon?).

George Barry QB Chicago IL 1923
Ray Boland '32
Roger Brown '46-47
Ed Buczkiewicz '52
Tom Carey '51-54
Tom Creevy '42
Alan Dawn '06
Tony Girolami '40
George Hafner '59-60
Art (Bunny) Larkin '12-14
David Naughton 1897 (Before my time, Don probably remembers him.)
Andy Pulpis '35-37
Nate Silver 1902-05 *** A 3 year Starter!


Chicago has provided more ND QBs than any other city and most states. Chitown athletes have played QB with distinction for Hering, Faragher, Barry, Marks, Harper, Rockne, Anderson, Layden, Leahy, Brennan, and Kuharich. A distinguished roster of field generals that took countless snaps with the scout teams.

It's been 100 years since the last (and only) Chitown Starter Nate Silver 5'8", 150, 4ever, (Lemming 5-1/2 stars, #1 on the Southside). Silver was 18-7-1 and in 1903 quarterbacked ND's first UNDEFEATED Season (with more than 1 win) rolling up 291 points while allowing NONE (zippo, nada for the whole damn season - listen up Minter) with victories over such formidable foes such as American Medical (now a HMO), Chicago Physicians & Surgeons (walk-ins welcome), and Missouri Osteopaths (free adjustments at halftime). Silver will live forever in the record books as the offensive genius behind the 1905 142-0 victory over American Medical (ND lead 111-0 at halftime. The second half was shortened to 8 minutes to allow the "Doctors" to eat before catching their train back to Chicago. ND scored 27 TD but missed 20 extra points [listen up Fitzgerald bashers]). It's been 45 years since the last Windy City boy was recruited under center by Joe Kuharich.

And people ask, "Why doesn't ND recruit Chicago kids?"

 

[BGIF]

... I'm excited about the idea of a Chicago kid playing QB for Notre Dame, though.

Be careful what you wish for!

I was excited 5 years ago when the first football player in history from my high school, Bergen Catholic in Oradell, NJ, put on a gold helmet for ND and set records as a freshman QB. Then we found out Matt had a father ...

 

[bigdon]

Jones as a possible WR might also provide insurance if Parris' injury required more rehabilation.

We have addressed this question many times before.

Jones has said he was recruited as a QB and that's where he wants to play. If Mustain comes to ND I believe Jones will leave ( or maybe Frazer). If jones gets to campus and then finds out he has a better chance at WR he may take it but that's not where we are now. I have posted before that I think Jones will be the QB after all is said and done. He adds another dimention to the offense that even Quinn does not--the ability to get out of traffic and run. Guys, I think Jones will have something to say about where he plays.

Suggesting to Jones that he may be WR is the same as telling Mustain he may be a FB. Think he would come to ND? Not on your life.

 

[KMac151993]

I still don't understand why we would want Mustain. We have two solid QB's committed and have two more solid guys already in South Bend a 5th guy just crowds things and we will prolly lose a great athelete in Jones. Lets stick with who we have and go out and get some more DL.

 

[BGIF]

We have addressed this question many times before. ...

Suggesting to Jones that he may be WR is the same as telling Mustain he may be a FB. Think he would come to ND? Not on your life.

No one here to my knowledge has suggested to Jones that he might be a WR. If you read back through the context of the thread I raised a different question, why does Mustain still appear to be in the picture.

Given the number of scholarships supposedly available and ND "only taking two QBs" he shouldn't be. In recent weeks, WRs, OLs, and players at other positions have publicly stated that ND told them they were full at their position yet Mustain keeps stating publicly that ND is in his final group. Mustain is wearing an ND "Play Like A Champion" with his USA AA Bowl uniform. Jiggs, I and others have been conjecturing why and how it might play out. Read the thread for the details.

One point Jiggs raised was the status of Jones shoulder. You may recall Jones didn't play QB in his last high school game due to rotator cuff injury. He was well enough to play football but not to throw at football. He actually played that game at, dare I say it, Wide Receiver.

As for Mustain playing FB I have no idea. Did he ever play that position in high school?

And while I suspect you were trying to be facetious with the FB comment it's actually appropriate. You may recall a couple of years back Dan Kendra was a top ranked HS QB and ended up playing FB in college. He wasn't the first player to move to another position and he won't be the last.

BTW, I just learned tonight that while Demetrious Jones was selected to the USA All-American Bowl Game as a QB he's not playing.

Do I think Jones would come to ND if he had to change positions. Yes, I do. I think he wrestled with that possibility that he might not be #1 some months back. He'll compete with vigor when he arrives as a QB and should that not work out I suspect he'll compete with equal vigor at any other position to get on the field ala Battle, Holiday, Heck, Snow, Petitigout and others whose proceeded him.

Because of their athleticism, body types, injuries, position competition, and needs of the TEAM, Mullen, Prince, Schmidt, Olsen, Wade, Ryan, Gallup, Parris, West, Yeatman, Richardson, Gordon, or Jones may end up at a different position than where Scout, Rivals, or Lemming or posters on an internet board predict. That's about 1/2 the class. I like the versatility.

Anyone thats lacks that flexibility of purpose, I'd rather see not come. ND does have the luxury of burning a year two of development and then have to replace an upper classman with a JUCO because his dream got bruised. ND would have to replace him with another 18 year old rookie.

 

[jiggafini19]

I think Jones will play anywhere for Weis/ND. The only people talking about him as a WR are the people on boards like this.

It isn't mentioned in Scout, Rivals or anywhere else. All that has been said, to my recollection, is that he is being recruited by ND as a QB and only that.

I merely suggested that Mustain-ND's interest in one another came to the surface right around the time Jones finished his season playing at WR with a rotator cuff injury.

I still don't think they'll get him. There are needs on the lines that must be met.

 

[jiggafini19]

George Barry QB Chicago IL 1923
Ray Boland '32
Roger Brown '46-47
Ed Buczkiewicz '52
Tom Carey '51-54
Tom Creevy '42
Alan Dawn '06
Tony Girolami '40
George Hafner '59-60
Art (Bunny) Larkin '12-14
David Naughton 1897 (Before my time, Don probably remembers him.)
Andy Pulpis '35-37
Nate Silver 1902-05 *** A 3 year Starter!

Great stuff.

So yeah, like I said: not in my lifetime.

Be careful what you wish for!

I think the idea has a lot of us local Chicago football buffs pretty excited because a player of this caliber going to ND hasn't happened in a while at QB, as the info above shows. The last two years prior to Jones have seen the all state QB go to Iowa and Wisconsin.

Let's just say that other than alums, there aren't a lot of locals who care much for either of those schools.

Jones going to ND and Isiah Williams going to Illinois makes a lot of people here happy. They are the two best QB to come from ILL in years, both from the City and both are staying at the two "local" programs.

(ND and Illinois trump Northwestern in Chicago. Way more alums in the city)

 

[bigdon]

I think Jones will play anywhere for Weis/ND. The only people talking about him as a WR are the people on boards like this.
It isn't mentioned in Scout, Rivals or anywhere else. All that has been said, to my recollection, is that he is being recruited by ND as a QB and only that.
I merely suggested that Mustain-ND's interest in one another came to the surface right around the time Jones finished his season playing at WR with a rotator cuff injury.
I still don't think they'll get him. There are needs on the lines that must be met.

I still stand behind my post that Jones ( or Frazer) will opt out if Mustain comes. All of these guys picture themselves as NFL QB's. If Jones comes to ND and cannot compete at QB he has two options- try to change positions or transfer. I believe he would transfer. I believe Jones, Frazer, and Mustain will play QB somewhere.


I agree that all of this is mere barroom chatter because I don't think Mustain is coming to ND. But as far as I know he still has an offer and everything is possible. We may even get McCoy AND Lewis!!

 

[jiggafini19]

Mustain To Decide?
Sean Callahan

SAN ANTONIO, Texas - The last month has been pretty crazy for Springdale (Ark.) five-star quarterback Mitch Mustain.

Mitch Mustain is playing quarterback for the West squad this week in San Antonio.
The 6-foot-3, 210-pounder Mustain committed to Arkansas on Aug. 15, but decided to re-open his recruitment in December when some things happened in Fayetteville he didn't feel comfortable with.

When asked what exactly made him decommit from the Razorbacks, Mustain wouldn't comment on the situation.

There was some speculation that it had to do with Houston Nutt's firing of quarterbacks coach Roy Wittke, but Mustain wouldn't acknowledge those rumors.

"I'm not going to talk about why I opened things up," Mustain said. "Basically I'm just uncomfortable with a lot stuff.

"I made it clear and told them the issues I had and why I was doing it. I pretty much told them that's the decision I've made and I'm sticking with it, but they're still in it, and really they are. It was a quick conversation and I made it clear on what I plan on doing and why."

Another scenario that has raised a lot of questions towards Mustain is the fact that his former high school coach Gus Malzahn has been hired as Nutt's offensive coordinator in Fayetteville.

Even with the new connection to Arkansas because of Malzahn, Mustain said this will have no influence on his final decision.

"I knew he'd be on the staff in some capacity before I decommitted," Mustain said. "I understood that, I just didn't know what role he'd play. This a decision I made knowing he'd most likely be there and it's a decision I still feel comfortable with."

Mustain's current plans include looking at Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Notre Dame. He even mentioned another school which probably would catch most people off guard.

"I'm actually looking at West Point (Army) too," Mustain said. "That's something that I've been interested in for a long time and it has nothing to do with being here in San Antonio for the Army game, but it's kind of ironic.

"I've only talked to Army a little bit, so really it's those first four teams and I'm still looking at Army."

As far as visits, Mustain said he has yet to set up any officials at the five schools he's looking at and he doesn't plan to make his announcement any time soon.

Several different top prospects will make their decisions public at Saturday's U.S. Army All-American Bowl, but Mustain said he's not going to get caught up in making any rash moves.

"I probably won't announce until around signing day," Mustain said. "I'm planning on taking a few visits this month, but I don't know where and I don't know when they'll be."

 

[jiggafini19]

Army?

This is just getting too good.

Carufel, Butch Lewis, Sam Young.

McCoy goes to OU. I hope MM picks Alabama.

 

[BGIF]

Army?

This is just getting too good.

"Tune in tomorrow for another adventure of, As The World Turns"

 

[BGIF]

TE Ben Cleveland, one of the Springdale 5, decommited from FLOIRDA and verballed to ARKANSAS. Former Springdale head coach Malzahn who is now on the Arkansas staff his calling his boys home to mama.



ATTENTION: THIS IS A SCENARIO ONLY!!!

Does Mustain heed the call to rejoin the ol gang?

Does Bartley Webb feel the obvious home town pressure and stay in-state?

Or fear CW will read the USA AA Practice Notes on internet boards and move him to Wide Receiver?

 

[irishnd31]

Army?
This is just getting too good.
Carufel, Butch Lewis, Sam Young.
McCoy goes to OU. I hope MM picks Alabama.

I also heard rumors that he will be taking an official to Whatssamatta U to play with Rocky and Bulwinkle.

 

[weisfaninmass]

TE Ben Cleveland, one of the Springdale 5, decommited from FLOIRDA and verballed to ARKANSAS. Former Springdale head coach Malzahn who is now on the Arkansas staff his calling his boys home to mama.



ATTENTION: THIS IS A SCENARIO ONLY!!!

Does Mustain heed the call to rejoin the ol gang?

Does Bartley Webb feel the obvious home town pressure and stay in-state?

Or fear CW will read the USA AA Practice Notes on internet boards and move him to Wide Receiver?

Because of a high school coach? If that happens it will be the biggest imapct a high school coach has had since Gerry Faust.

If I was Mustain I would want to join a coach who can help me get to the next level. Sorry coach "nothing personal its just business".

Samething applies to Webb.

Curious, if Mustain goes elsewhere, what is the role for Malzahn? Assistant Vice President and Assistant to the Assistant Offense Coordinator in charge of water and gatorade quality?

 

[jiggafini19]

Bartley Webb is all about ND. The way he talks, he's ready to come in and work.

Who the hell would want to be a tight end at Florida with Urban's offense?

 

[BGIF]

Who the hell would want to be a tight end at Florida with Urban's offense?

A future OL!

 

[BGIF]

If a QB decision hinged on today's performance, Demetrious may have scored higher with a DNP.

 

[iloveirish_12]

With Mccoy not in the running anymore, it looks like Mitch might be coming to ND after all. And i know no one agrees with me, but i still think Jones will end up at WR. Say what you want but he will end i up there i bet.

 

[Domerlover]

I think there is a chance he could end up at wr too. I don't want to blow things with Clausen, but Mustain is very tempting.

 

[KMac151993]

If a QB decision hinged on today's performance, Demetrious may have scored higher with a DNP.

For once I will agree with you.

 

[iloveirish_12]

The question is do you want Mitch more or Jimmy? I think I want Jimmy C. more for next year than Mitch.

 

[Domerlover]

I think I'm with you, iloveirish. With the two we already have signed in this class I would rather see us wait on Clausen as well. What a battle that would be in '07 huh? Frazer, Clausen and Jones, along with possibly Sharpley.

 

[jiggafini19]

If Mustain wants to play immediately, his best chance would be at Alabama.

With Croyle leaving, there is no competition for that starting spot right now. I have to believe Mustain would win the starting job just on raw talent alone. If they spoon feed him the offense with a running game and strong defense, he should be able to grasp things by the end of the year.

Three QBs and no defensive tackles = 6 WR at Florida. When Quinn graduates, there will be plenty of candidates for the spot. When Laws and Landri graduate, who will provide DT depth?