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Irish#1

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saw this too. Some down in Texas are arguing that all teachers should be armed to avoid school shootings.

How can the arguement possible be to armor our children and put even more guns around them?

Why didn't I think of this before? Here's what we do. No tax refunds for anyone this year. We take the money and buy a gun and bullet proof vest for everyone and require them to carry them at all times. We also get the bullet proof backpacks for any students. Now we have a level playing field. That guy in the elevator wouldn't dare try to kill anyone and the conveinece store robber knows not only the clerk but the customers will be ready. We'll also have to pass a law making it illegal to use the gun if some idiot cuts you off in traffic.
 

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Why dont you mention that to the two guys that made the "black GOP" comments?? Or are you just another hypocrite?

"Another" racist rant? Or, like most people of your mindset, are you just always looking for something to label as "racist"?

Come on.

Are you serious? Do you really want to bring up the racist rant about mexicans you had a while back? It is all deleted by mods now, but anyone that read it would agree that you crossed the line that day. I don't remember anyone, conservative or liberal, being on your side that day. It was clearly racist and offensive. I hope to not see that again, so I prefer if you stay away from "race" conversations on here. Because you have already proven that you cannot be trusted to not going over the line.
 

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Are you serious? Do you really want to bring up the racist rant about mexicans you had a while back? It is all deleted by mods now, but anyone that read it would agree that you crossed the line that day. I don't remember anyone, conservative or liberal, being on your side that day. It was clearly racist and offensive. I hope to not see that again, so I prefer if you stay away from "race" conversations on here. Because you have already proven that you cannot be trusted to not going over the line.

I said nothing racist. And there were MANY members that PMed me saying that those that called it racist were over the line.

I prefer to stay way from race topics as well. But I was drawn into by ignorant comments about there being token black GOP memebers.

Again, talk to those two.
 

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They're called law abiding citizens for a reason...because they're responsible.

So what we're bascially getting at, is because of the FEW (VERY FEW) that act like idiots, we need to punish the rest?

Just come out and say it.

Come on IP, that's not what everyone is saying. The vast majority aren't for taking guns away, only putting in measures that restrict the sale of certain guns like an assault rifle and implementing laws that make it harder to get a gun. Normal law abiding citizens like you would still be able to get guns if you wanted to.

Not being a smart a$$, but for all of the pro gunners on here that think it's wrong to take away some guns and make the laws more restricitve. What is your answer to curbing the violence? What other item that is easy to carry, hide and use is used to commit crimes as often as a gun?

P.S. I'm a conservative.
 
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LOL. Did you really think I was talking about overthrowing the government, inserting a dictatorship with me in charge and forcing everyone to bend to my will? Short of that, it is pretty obvious that no one person, politician or not, can change these laws. It would take political will, just like any other changes to the nation's laws. I didn't think I had to explain in that level of detail. Let me know if you want me to type slower.

Nope, not at all. But I understand your reason for laughing, that is you're upset it's nearly impossible to implement your ideas and take away rights from so many law-abiding citizens.

When I say, "you can't", I'm not saying that solely beacuse I disagree with you. I say it because those wonderful utopian practices are unconstitutional. And it would take a miaculous "political will" to amend the Constitution, and this is all before designing the blueprints for implementing these laws. That'd be a doozie, too.
 

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Come on IP, that's not what everyone is saying. The vast majority aren't for taking guns away, only putting in measures that restrict the sale of certain guns like an assault rifle and implementing laws that make it harder to get a gun. Normal law abiding citizens like you would still be able to get guns if you wanted to.

If you're for better background checks...I'm all for it.

However, the point I guess that i"m attempting to make, is that I don't feel that anymore legislation is going to make a difference.

I mean, Clinton's ban on assult rifles did nothing.


I think this nation needs to rethink the way we market violence and how we educate kids. That's our bigggest problem. (to beat the dead horse)
 

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I said nothing racist. And there were MANY members that PMed me saying that those that called it racist were over the line.

I prefer to stay way from race topics as well. But I was drawn into by ignorant comments about there being token black GOP memebers.

Again, talk to those two.

Funny, because none of those guys were willing to stick their necks out in the actual thread. Every single person thought you were being a racist d!ckhead and NO ONE stuck up for you. The mods also thought you went over the line as well.

If anybody did agree with you and only would comment via pm to you, then they are cowards.
 

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Let cooler heads prevail...

On the bright side I had a great lunch today. Free Christmas lunch at the hospital I work at today. Roasted Turkey, mashed potatoes w gravy, green bean casserole, lots of other good stuff.
 
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On the bright side I had a great lunch today. Free Christmas lunch at the hospital I work at today. Roasted Turkey, mashed potatoes w gravy, green bean casserole, lots of other good stuff.

I've been on the clock since 6, haven't eaten yet. Sad panda is sad. Ha
 

irishpat183

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Funny, because none of those guys were willing to stick their necks out in the actual thread. Every single person thought you were being a racist d!ckhead and NO ONE stuck up for you. The mods also thought you went over the line as well.

If anybody did agree with you and only would comment via pm to you, then they are cowards.

Hey, whatever you say.
 

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Nope, not at all. But I understand your reason for laughing, that is you're upset it's nearly impossible to implement your ideas and take away rights from so many law-abiding citizens.

When I say, "you can't", I'm not saying that solely beacuse I disagree with you. I say it because those wonderful utopian practices are unconstitutional. And it would take a miaculous "political will" to amend the Constitution, and this is all before designing the blueprints for implementing these laws. That'd be a doozie, too.

extended waiting periods? getting rid of the "gun show" exception? harsher punishments for people using a firearm in the commission of a crime? family background checks? banning the sale of assault weapons? Making the gun owner responsible for the use of his/her gun? These are all unconsitutional? I have a copy of the Constitution and have never noticed any of that in there.

The bigger point is that doing nothing should not be an option and making dismissive statements like "you can't" when any idea you do not agree with is in essence arging for the status quo. I think most people in this country would not agree that nothing should be done. Further, I think that all of the politicians who refuse to have the debate and who fail to act in the light of this recent horrific tragedy will do so at their own political peril. I believe this country is fed up with gun violence.
 
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If I were a Leftist I would politely request that maybe we should all stop referring to everyone we disagree with as "crazy", "racist" and "idiots".

Wow, I have only heard people refer to one of three people on this board as "crazy", "racist" and "idiots"; and noone has ever called me racist on this board. In fact, I have only heard a couple of posters called all three!
 
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extended waiting periods? getting rid of the "gun show" exception? harsher punishments for people using a firearm in the commission of a crime? family background checks? banning the sale of assault weapons? Making the gun owner responsible for the use of his/her gun? These are all unconsitutional? I have a copy of the Constitution and have never noticed any of that in there.

The bigger point is that doing nothing should not be an option and making dismissive statements like "you can't" when any idea you do not agree with is in essence arging for the status quo. I think most people in this country would not agree that nothing should be done. Further, I think that all of the politicians who refuse to have the debate and who fail to act in the light of this recent horrific tragedy will do so at their own political peril. I believe this country is fed up with gun violence.

This is pretty brilliant.

(Just look at the Michigan Legislature and Governor; can you spell frappé?)
 

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Wow, I have only heard people refer to one of three people on this board as "crazy", "racist" and "idiots"; and noone has ever called me racist on this board. In fact, I have only heard a couple of posters called all three!

Calling ANYONE any of those things on here because you don't agree with them should be avoided.

I'm wondering if the mods hit him up with an infraction or two? It's only fair.....
 

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extended waiting periods? getting rid of the "gun show" exception? harsher punishments for people using a firearm in the commission of a crime? family background checks? banning the sale of assault weapons? Making the gun owner responsible for the use of his/her gun? These are all unconsitutional? I have a copy of the Constitution and have never noticed any of that in there.

The bigger point is that doing nothing should not be an option and making dismissive statements like "you can't" when any idea you do not agree with is in essence arging for the status quo. I think most people in this country would not agree that nothing should be done. Further, I think that all of the politicians who refuse to have the debate and who fail to act in the light of this recent horrific tragedy will do so at their own political peril. I believe this country is fed up with gun violence.

Again.....legislation in the wake of a tragedy is just asking for it. See the Patriot Act.


Stop using emotion.
 

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If I am elected dictator I promise put an end to gun violence and most importantly stop the SEC schools from oversigning, grey shirting, and all things of that nature. You have my word.
 

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extended waiting periods? getting rid of the "gun show" exception? harsher punishments for people using a firearm in the commission of a crime? family background checks? banning the sale of assault weapons? Making the gun owner responsible for the use of his/her gun? These are all unconsitutional? I have a copy of the Constitution and have never noticed any of that in there.

The bigger point is that doing nothing should not be an option and making dismissive statements like "you can't" when any idea you do not agree with is in essence arging for the status quo. I think most people in this country would not agree that nothing should be done. Further, I think that all of the politicians who refuse to have the debate and who fail to act in the light of this recent horrific tragedy will do so at their own political peril. I believe this country is fed up with gun violence.

I forgot. We're supposed to be moving "forward", whatever the hell that means. You can't be reading what I write. As you say so brilliantly, want me to type slooooowwwwerrr?

Go back in the thread, read what I wrote, then we can continue a conversation if you want to. I've put out what I agree with and what is unconstitutional. You have no regard for individual rights. You only care for what makes you feel good and how you think people should handle their firearms. I'm no lawyer but I don't have to be one to read laws on the books.

Again: states can do what they wish with waiting periods and the gun show exception, harsher punishments I'm in, family background checks are unconstitutional (what if we did background checks on an entire family if someone bought a knife???), assault weapons can be discussed, and the most obsurd of all: you can not legally charge someone for a murder if their weapon was stolen and used by someone else. Wouldn't last an hour in court, especially if they report it.

This country may very well be fed up with gun violence but many of the "rules" you advocate are going way too far.
 

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Again.....legislation in the wake of a tragedy is just asking for it. See the Patriot Act.


Stop using emotion.

Emotion? This issue isn't some new curiousity for me because of the tragedy, trust me. I've held the same beliefes about guns for a very, very long time. I'm the guy who wouldn't let my kids play with toy guns when they were little because I didn't want them to think that shooting at each other was some sort of game -- cap guns, squirt guns, you name it. We shouldn't let the hurt this tragedy has brought us as a nation go by without doing something to prevent the next one. Doing nothing when the problem is staring you in the face is "asking for it." .
 

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Emotion? This issue isn't some new curiousity for me because of the tragedy, trust me. I've held the same beliefes about guns for a very, very long time. I'm the guy who wouldn't let my kids play with toy guns when they were little because I didn't want them to think that shooting at each other was some sort of game -- cap guns, squirt guns, you name it. We shouldn't let the hurt this tragedy has brought us as a nation go by without doing something to prevent the next one. Doing nothing when the problem is staring you in the face is "asking for it." .

You invoke emotion into every one of your argument. All our hearts go out to the families and no one wants this to happen again. But saying "we're asking for it" if we don't agree with the 6 or 7 new "rules" that would make you feel better is garbage.

It's all emotion: we have to do this (exhibit A) or consequence (b) will happen!!!! Now get on board!!!! or you want more kids to die!

Our objective here is that we can't prevent EVERYTHING from happening in this world when it comes to evil. Certain measures are on the table (assault weapons, harsher penalties, etc) but taking away the rights of millions because of the acts of so few is irresponsible, immoral, and in some cases waht you describe...illegal.
 

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Funny, because none of those guys were willing to stick their necks out in the actual thread. Every single person thought you were being a racist d!ckhead and NO ONE stuck up for you. The mods also thought you went over the line as well.

If anybody did agree with you and only would comment via pm to you, then they are cowards.

I agreed with him. And I said so in several comments, too. (Of course, now you're just going to say that I'm "racist" too, so it doesn't matter...)

In any event, the fact that you're now bringing this up as some ad-hominem to discredit his position on "guns" is pretty lame, dude.
 

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So, according to this thread...

I (a) am too emotional, (b) don't have any regard for personal liberties, and (c) am a coward who would rather huddle in a closet than protect my family.

Good to know where things stand.
 

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So, according to this thread...

I (a) am too emotional, (b) don't have any regard for personal liberties, and (c) am a coward who would rather huddle in a closet than protect my family.

Good to know where things stand.

LOL.

And I'm a crazy, idiotic, racist that doesn't care about kids.
 

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I agreed with him. And I said so in several comments, too. (Of course, now you're just going to say that I'm "racist" too, so it doesn't matter...)

In any event, the fact that you're now bringing this up as some ad-hominem to discredit his position on "guns" is pretty lame, dude.

Unfortunately, I'll be carrying that with me forever on this board because of people like Wooly.....

Sheesh.
 

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Unfortunately, I'll be carrying that with me forever on this board because of people like Wooly.....

Sheesh.

Lol. Maybe you'll even get your own urban legend -- IrishPat, the janitor-killing racist wizard of the KKK!!! If you're hispanic, one day you'll wake up in a bathtub with no kidneys and a post-it-note!!!
 

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I agreed with him. And I said so in several comments, too. (Of course, now you're just going to say that I'm "racist" too, so it doesn't matter...)

In any event, the fact that you're now bringing this up as some ad-hominem to discredit his position on "guns" is pretty lame, dude.

Actually, if you read my posts before commenting, you will see that Pat brought up race not me. Because of that, I reminded him what happened last time he talked about race. It didn't go very well and it's not just my opinion. It was more than a warning than anything. His last rant about race infuriated a great deal of people on here.

Why would I call you racist? Keep trying to paint me as a bad guy because I disagree with you politically and you have ran out of debate topics. It always comes down to personal attacks with you. Ever since the school debate a long time ago, you have had some personal vendetta for me. Get over it, dude.

Man... I wish one of the mods had a way to bring back those comments Pat had about latinos. I would love to see how you guys would justify them as not being racist. Literally no one other than Pat (you didn't read the comments Houston, don't act like you did) thought they were anything but way out of line. But please, gentleman. Keep downplaying it...
 
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Calling ANYONE any of those things on here because you don't agree with them should be avoided.

I'm wondering if the mods hit him up with an infraction or two? It's only fair.....

Why would anyone give him an infection?

Emily Litella

Never mind.
 
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woolybug, your comrade was the one who brought up race -- he said we'd better watch out because all the hispanics are going to turn Texas liberal.
 
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