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Johnny Football just went down!!
Manti Te'o for Heisman
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Manti is taking the trophy tonight.
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Manti gets the really big stage tonight, he'll get the "closing argument" if you will.
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Looks like he's coming back in, but how effective he'll be remains to be seen. Could determine the Heisman outcome.
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The only reason in the world Johnny Football is coming back in is because he's trying to win the Heisman. Him playing another snap in this game otherwise makes no sense
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Love you too, Killz.
Voters have to decide whether they want the first freshman winner or the first purely defensive player to win. Personally, I'd vote for Manti and it's not because I'm biased. But that's the problem... I think the voters are biased toward offensive players.
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Listen, it probably has been discussed, but if you want to derail Manziel's heisman train and give Te'o a legit shot, sportswriters need to have Johnny Jailhouse's mugshot in their emails and generally blanketed across the country. The Heisman is supposed to stand for excellence on and off the field and multiple arrests certainly do not fulfill the second half of that requirement.
After a racially charged fight, he gave the officer a fake ID and was arrested as you can see in the below shirtless mug shot.
Who Is Johnny Manziel: Mugshot, Arrest over the Summer Falling by Wayside | Bleacher Report
TAMU does not allow him to speak to the media because they know he will only damage himself and the school. They hide behind a cowardly statement that they do not allow freshmen to speak to the media, but this is the first time anyone has heard of such a rule.
No one in Texas wants to see him win it here so spread the word and help yourself.
After a racially charged fight, he gave the officer a fake ID and was arrested as you can see in the below shirtless mug shot.
Who Is Johnny Manziel: Mugshot, Arrest over the Summer Falling by Wayside | Bleacher Report
TAMU does not allow him to speak to the media because they know he will only damage himself and the school. They hide behind a cowardly statement that they do not allow freshmen to speak to the media, but this is the first time anyone has heard of such a rule.
No one in Texas wants to see him win it here so spread the word and help yourself.
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If you look at Heisman as an MVP award, than Manti should get it. Notre Dame wouldn't be 12-0 without him. Who can say the same for another team?
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Manti's best chance is if there are old timers who would never vote for a freshman and leave Johnny Football off their ballots entirely. Both of the two are very deserving players and whoever wins has definitely earned it.
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No one. Anyone who really knows football would have to acknowledge that Manti is the most valuable player and most outstanding player on the nation's #1 team. And that ND very likely would not be undefeated or #1 without him. His impact has been that significant.
Despite the bias inherent in the Heisman process, hopefully Manti's 7th INT tonight was enough to offset Manziel. It's not as far-fetched as it seemed when Klein appeared to be the leader a couple weeks ago. It really seems to be a two-person race at this point and both of their regular seasons are over. History will be made either way. Manti deserves it.
Realistically I don't think there's any way Te'o comes close to winning the Heisman.
Does he deserve it? You can certainly make a case for it.
The year Woodson won the Heisman as a defensive player he had 44 tackles and 8 interceptions.
Manti has 103 tackles and 7 interceptions.
Of course this isn't in any way apples to apples since Woodson also played offense and special teams and probably won the Heisman running a punt back against Ohio State. Then there's the incredible football stupidity of relying primarily on individual STATS for the impact of a defensive player in a ballgame, let alone an inside linebacker with primary responsibility for containment and oversight of the entire defensive scheme.
In Manti's case it's pretty clear that he's taken a legitimate 7-5 or 8-4 team to 12-0. Remove Te'o and this team isn't close to undefeated. Now does he get sole credit? No of course not... I mean minus a shanked FG Notre Dame isn't 12-0 regardless of Te'o's heroics all season.
But what you can say is that Manti probably won or at least closed the lid on 3 games with 3 game ending interceptions (Oklahoma, Michigan and BYU). He went over the top to stop Stepfan Taylor 1 on 1 to stop Stanford's 3rd and goal from the 1 yard line when Taylor had clear sailing into the end zone. On top of everything else, the dude probably made plays to largely END four victories for his team.
And that's on top of the "regular" things he does many times a game like disrupt Marqise Lee's 4th quarter TD reception in the end zone to keep the game lead at 2 possessions.
My main problem is the PROCESS of how clueless voters vote for the Heisman. It's basically outlier theory.
Take into account the "noise" atm for the Heisman. "OMG Johnny Football must win the Heisman!!! Oh it's a travesty if Johnny Football doesn't win. Oh oh oh!!!!" Meanwhile TWO WEEKS AGO the biggest travesty in the world is if Collin Klein doesn't win the Heisman. TWO WEEKS before that it's a travesty if Geno Smith doesn't run away with it.
The point is with 120 teams in the BCS and over 200 active QBs during the course of a season SOMEONE will put up lights out numbers. It's a statistical FACT. It doesn't mean he's going to be winning the most games or doing the most to help his team. It doesn't even mean he's the best QB. But with all those guys out there slinging passes SOMEONE will at any given moment be putting up awesome numbers. It's called outlier theory. If you cloned the SAME GUY 50x and had him go out and gave him 30 passes a game for 14 games... you'd have 4 or 5 instances of a clone emerge as an outlier even among a population with the IDENTICAL skills. That's why a guy like Denard Robinson gets exposed. He takes a lot of chances... ergo some games he'll connect big and look awesome for a string of games. Now you put 200 Robinsons out there for the 2400 games of a BCS season and you'll see SOMEONE at any given time look like "the unbeatable Heisman frontrunner."
Those who understand football comprehend what is going on. It's basically like coin flipping. The offensive player who happens to flip 12 heads wins the Heisman.
Meanwhile how many guys do what Te'o has done? Taken basically a 7-5 team and lead them into a 12-0 team? And not 12-0 by fluke but ELEVATE their level of play with his example, leadership and playmaking? It's unprecedented without exaggeration. At least in my 20 years of watching college football I've never seen anything like it a single guy put--not a team-- but an entire program on his back
How many defensive guys CLOSE OUT games repeatedly? How many exhort and support his entire defensive squad into being the BEST RED ZONE DEFENSE IN EIGHT YEARS while making individual plays like shutting down Lee in the 4th quarter in the end zone and anchoring a goal line defense that stops 3 run plays 1 yard out?
Again I'm not saying Te'o wins or even should win. There are a lot of good ballplayers who have done amazing things. What I'm saying is that people who vote need to open their eyes and minds and realize that the original INTENT of the Heisman wasn't to reward the one QB who happens to flip 12 coin tosses and be the last man standing with big yardage any given year but give cogent CONSIDERATION to the FOOTBALL PLAYER who has done the most individually and for his team towards excellence.
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Heisman Trust Mission Statement
The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.
The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted. All assets of the Trust beyond the expense of maintaining the annual presentation of the Heisman Memorial Trophy are reserved for such charitable causes. The Trustees, who all serve pro bono, are guided by a devotion to college football and are committed to community service and the valued tradition which the Trophy represents.
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= Teo
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don't know Jonny Football and his story quite that well, however according to that description I would think you would be hard pressed to find another college athlete with the combined athletic talent and service to community other than Manti Te'o.
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Like Kelly said in the post game . Give it to Teo or cut to the chase and call it the offensive player of the year.
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Oh if the world would only live up to its stated ideals. Sadly most of this goes out the window on things like the Heisman. .... BUT, this season is magical, and just maybe America will reach back for its better ideals and place the deserved crown on Manti's head.
It surely is a great chance for those voters to make a statement that this is really about higher values, goals, a properly-lived life. The Lord knows college football, and the country, could use a little concrete reminding.
Bless you, Manti, you're the Heisman "whether or not".
It surely is a great chance for those voters to make a statement that this is really about higher values, goals, a properly-lived life. The Lord knows college football, and the country, could use a little concrete reminding.
Bless you, Manti, you're the Heisman "whether or not".
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Spot on, Coach Kelly
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December 8th I believe.
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Per some news station I clicked on when I googled it:
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If Manti doesn't win the Heisman this year, the award will lose any meaning it has left in my mind.
Manti's season is a culmination of an outstanding career at ND. A season which wouldn't have even happened if it weren't for the characteristics in the young man that exemplify the ideals for which the award stands. He committed to ND for reasons he couldn't quite explain at the time, but I think he's the type of guy that wants to come into a tough situation and work his tail off to make it better. He took a struggling program, one which many wanted to label as "irrelevant", hoisted it on his back and said "follow me."
He had defensive plays that directly led to 4 ND victories this year. He led the team in tackles, again. He was 2nd in the nation in INTs and 1st, by a wide margin, among non-secondary players. He led arguably the best defense in the country, allowing only 9 TDs in 12 games. And oh yeah, he is the unquestionable locker room and field leader for an UNDEFEATED FIGHTING IRISH TEAM!!
What more do you want Heisman voters? A 150 QB rating?
Manti's season is a culmination of an outstanding career at ND. A season which wouldn't have even happened if it weren't for the characteristics in the young man that exemplify the ideals for which the award stands. He committed to ND for reasons he couldn't quite explain at the time, but I think he's the type of guy that wants to come into a tough situation and work his tail off to make it better. He took a struggling program, one which many wanted to label as "irrelevant", hoisted it on his back and said "follow me."
He had defensive plays that directly led to 4 ND victories this year. He led the team in tackles, again. He was 2nd in the nation in INTs and 1st, by a wide margin, among non-secondary players. He led arguably the best defense in the country, allowing only 9 TDs in 12 games. And oh yeah, he is the unquestionable locker room and field leader for an UNDEFEATED FIGHTING IRISH TEAM!!
What more do you want Heisman voters? A 150 QB rating?