David Ausberry?

[IRISHMAN]

i was reading in my B&G Illustrated and they said that 5-star WR david ausberry might make ND his 5th officall visit. from every thing i've seen and read i got the impression that ND was off his list, has something changed? i still think ND is a long shot to land ausberry but with the success of the ND passing game this would be a awsome catch.

 

[jiggafini19]

He is the best WR they've offered.

Stealing him from SC will be tough.

 

[BGIF]

... has something changed?

Samardzija For All-American Talk!
Stovall Career Year!
Quinn's For Heismann Consideration!
ND Passing Records Being Shattered
Charlie Weis!
Notre Dame Is Back!

Expect more blue chip WRs to express interest in ND next year. But until Ausberry makes a trip to ND it's just interesting chatter.

 

[jiggafini19]

ND and scUM are going head to head for this kid's last official.

He's already been to Ohio State and Nebraska. Georgia and SC appear to be next, leaving one left. This was from an October 10 article:

Ausberry is currently looking at six schools. They are the before mentioned Nebraska, Ohio State and Georgia. The other schools include USC, Notre Dame and Michigan.

 

[IRISHMAN]

i would think with CW at ND and the way that ND has been throwing the ball this year that ausberry would jump at the chance to visit ND. IMO it just seems he has USC written all over him. right now he seems like a long shot but if for some reason he comes to ND he'd be in the WR rotation as soon as he steps on campus.

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm not so sure on SC anymore, especially since he hasn't visited.

Ausberry would enter the rotation IMMEDIATELY at ND....or anywhere else.

His video is very impressive. I like Ausberry and Jackson a great deal.

Ausberry, like Parris, has the tall, rangy build of Stovall and Shark. At 6-4, 213 he would be a great cog in the Weis machine.

 

[BGIF]

2.9 GPA/May 8 second-time SAT unreported.

wallace

Anybody seen an SAT score?

This is still Notre Dame.

If you don't pass Saracino, you don't get to catch passes.

 

[jiggafini19]

wallace

Anybody seen an SAT score?

This is still Notre Dame.

If you don't pass Saracino, you don't get to catch passes.

Let me be frank for a moment.

Lou Holtz didn't have 100% brain surgeons in the program during his time. Notre Dame's integrity is going to remain what it always has been. These guys will graduate, whether they like it or not, and if they don't accept the opportunity given to them, they'll be asked to leave.

If Randy Moss was about to get in, David Ausberry stands a good chance.

If he gets the SAT, fine. A 2.9 GPA isn't doesn't make him Good Will Hunting, but it doesn't make him Dumb and Dumber either.

 

[bigdon]

Let me be frank for a moment.

Lou Holtz didn't have 100% brain surgeons in the program during his time. Notre Dame's integrity is going to remain what it always has been. These guys will graduate, whether they like it or not, and if they don't accept the opportunity given to them, they'll be asked to leave.

If Randy Moss was about to get in, David Ausberry stands a good chance.

If he gets the SAT, fine. A 2.9 GPA isn't doesn't make him Good Will Hunting, but it doesn't make him Dumb and Dumber either.

If my memory serves me correctly, last year the SAT's of the USC football team was higher than ND. I can't remember the other Div 1 schools that were higher but it could have been Michigan.(don't hold my feet to the fire on that one). The point is ND GRADUATES it's athletes.

Kevin White has adressed this issue several times and debunked the claim that ND has standards too high to produce a winner. Paul Hornung's comment that cost him his job was not well informed. Surely there are some who will not be admitted to ND because of grades but it is because it is perceived they cannot do the required work. ND has a 4 year program that applies to athletes as well as everyone else.

Jiggs, you get the brass ring on this one.

 

[BGIF]

Let me be frank for a moment.

Lou Holtz didn't have 100% brain surgeons in the program during his time. Notre Dame's integrity is going to remain what it always has been. These guys will graduate, whether they like it or not, and if they don't accept the opportunity given to them, they'll be asked to leave.

If Randy Moss was about to get in, David Ausberry stands a good chance.

If he gets the SAT, fine. A 2.9 GPA isn't doesn't make him Good Will Hunting, but it doesn't make him Dumb and Dumber either.

Since we're being "frank" let's be relevant as well. And let's not duck the fundamental question, "Anybody seen an SAT score?"

Obviously you haven't either.

Which again leads to "This is still Notre Dame. If you don't pass Saracino, you don't get to catch passes."

It doesn't take a "brain surgeon" to follow guruspeak for "second-time SAT unreported", does it?

If the young man had a NCAA minimal passing test score his profile would list the score or have the guruspeak buzz words, "academically qualified", wouldn't it? Which as anyone who follows ND recruiting knows doesn't mean ND qualified but that the prospect's GPA (for the NCAA required cores courses) and test score have met the minimal NCAA requirements on a sliding scale.

I don't see the relevance your Lou Holtz commentary has to that simple question. No, Holtz didn't have 100% brain surgeons. He probably didn't have any as while ND has a pre-med program there is no medical school. I remember Tony Rice and Chris Zorich and that they had test scores. And Tony sat out his freshman year to get his academics up to snuff.

"These guys will graduate, whether they like it or not"

They would at Auburn but not at ND. You earn your grades at ND or get to go elsewhere. Julius Jones is living testament to that principle. But unlike Auburn, Oklahoma, or MSU, ND isn't going to admit student athletes that can't compete in the classroom in ND's academic environment and then replace them in two years with JUCOs.

"If Randy Moss was about to get in, David Ausberry stands a good chance."

Randy Moss wasn't "about to get in". There were two highly rated prospects that year that never passed ND Admissions and weren't admitted. Moss was one and the other was a RB that went to Miami. Holtz's battles with Rooney were a contributing factor to his departure. And while there may be a comparison between Ausberry's and Moss's athletic ability if Ausberry's academics and character are similar to Moss's he won't be coming to ND.

And that's got nothing to do with "Good Will Hunting' or "Dumb and Dumber"


Once again I'll ask the question, "Anybody seen an SAT score?"

 

[bigdon]

Since we're being "frank" let's be relevant as well. And let's not duck the fundamental question, "Anybody seen an SAT score?"

Obviously you haven't either.

Which again leads to "This is still Notre Dame. If you don't pass Saracino, you don't get to catch passes."

It doesn't take a "brain surgeon" to follow guruspeak for "second-time SAT unreported", does it?

If the young man had a NCAA minimal passing test score his profile would list the score or have the guruspeak buzz words, "academically qualified", wouldn't it? Which as anyone who follows ND recruiting knows doesn't mean ND qualified but that the prospect's GPA (for the NCAA required cores courses) and test score have met the minimal NCAA requirements on a sliding scale.

I don't see the relevance your Lou Holtz commentary has to that simple question. No, Holtz didn't have 100% brain surgeons. He probably didn't have any as while ND has a pre-med program there is no medical school. I remember Tony Rice and Chris Zorich and that they had test scores. And Tony sat out his freshman year to get his academics up to snuff.

"These guys will graduate, whether they like it or not"

They would at Auburn but not at ND. You earn your grades at ND or get to go elsewhere. Julius Jones is living testament to that principle. But unlike Auburn, Oklahoma, or MSU, ND isn't going to admit student athletes that can't compete in the classroom in ND's academic environment and then replace them in two years with JUCOs.

"If Randy Moss was about to get in, David Ausberry stands a good chance."

Randy Moss wasn't "about to get in". There were two highly rated prospects that year that never passed ND Admissions and weren't admitted. Moss was one and the other was a RB that went to Miami. Holtz's battles with Rooney were a contributing factor to his departure. And while there may be a comparison between Ausberry's and Moss's athletic ability if Ausberry's academics and character are similar to Moss's he won't be coming to ND.

And that's got nothing to do with "Good Will Hunting' or "Dumb and Dumber"


Once again I'll ask the question, "Anybody seen an SAT score?"

You guys know more than I about Randy Moss but my memory says that he was never rejected because he never returned the application that was sent to him. This may be a technical point but what was Moss's GPA amd SAT?

 

[jiggafini19]

Haven't seen it. I do, however, surely doubt this SAT score has the academic integrity of Notre Dame hanging in the balance. Perhaps if young Ausberry gets involved in a race riot at school, we can compare him to Randy Moss (who was verbally committed and submitted an application to admission. So yes, he was on his way to being Irish I'm afraid.)

Give me a break. A 2.9 GPA leads me to believe the kid probably isn't a moron. And the best part is, he's a long shot anyway and will probably end up at SC with all of the other 2.9 GPA speedsters who can't read.

And yes, they would EARN it. But they would EARN it and GRADUATE. The resources and opportunity are there. What you choose to do with it is up to you. Again, I would imagine if a kid wasn't cutting the mustard, he'd be asked to leave. We've seen it before.

It's still Notre Dame. And as stated, it will remain as such. If the kid has an offer, I'm going to trust the judgement of those involved at the Vatican that these guys are not academic risks.

And I'd pay to see a post on this site complaining if CW wins a National Title but the graduation rate goes down to 94% from 98%.

 

[jiggafini19]

Commit GPAs:

Aldrige 3.0
Brown 3.2, 19 ACT
Frazer 3.1
Gaines 3.87, 1020 SAT
Gallup 3.5 1430 SAT
Gordon 3.9
Jones 3.3, 23ACT
McNeil 4.1 1100 SAT
Olsen 3.0
Parris 3.65
Prince 4.2, 24 ACT
Ryan 3.5 1570 SAT
Schmidt 3.75 1280 SAT
Wade 3.8
Walls 3.4, 1020 SAT
Webb 3.2, 19 ACT

Offers:
Ausberry 2.9
Jackson 3.2, 950
Reuland 3.8
Carufel 3.78, 23 ACT
Lewis 3.3
Yeatman 3.4, 1500 SAT
Young 3.5
Wenger 4.0
Toryan Smith 3.1, 18 ACT
Richardson 3.2, 910
Moore 3.85, 20
Kates 2.7

Others, of course, do not have this info listed. Looking at this list, Ausberry and Kates are the only players I see below a 3.0 GPA. An 18 and a couple of 19s on the ACT, but otherwise everything looks top notch.

Being from the Midwest, the SAT was not required of us so I have no idea what these scores mean. I'm going to guess that Gallup, Ryan and Yeatman are going to be doing some serious chemistry experiments and leave it at that. Jackson and Richardson at 950 and 910 are the lowest on the list.

Again, not sure how serious ND and Ausberry are about each other, but it would certainly seem that things at ND are running smoothly in the integrity department.

These grades are all very good.

 

[bigdon]

You guys can argue this out but I can't believe Weis nor the Admissions would want a recruit that they know would not be able to do the work at ND, regardless of the scores. To recruit someone that you know will fail in the classroom just because he can play football is beyond my belief at ND.

Jiggs, I go with you. The scores look good to me.

 

[bigdon]

BGIF, you bring up the "character" reference of Ausberry and Moss. Frankly I would not want Moss at ND if he had a 4.0 and 1600. He just wasn't ND material. (not FSU either). I have heard nothing about Ausberry's character so I have to assume it is acceptable to Weis.

Incidentally, I would not want Terrell there either if he wanted to finish his degree.

 

[jiggafini19]

You guys can argue this out but I can't believe Weis nor the Admissions would want a recruit that they know would not be able to do the work at ND, regardless of the scores. To recruit someone that you know will fail in the classroom just because he can play football is beyond my belief at ND.

Jiggs, I go with you. The scores look good to me.

I agree. If anything, it is something I take for granted. I know for a fact there are guys ND won't even talk to because of grades but would love to have them on the field. There will never be a Willie Williams of Miami situation here, I think we can all agree.

When these guys get offers, I assume the books are straight. Judging from these grades posted here, I'm guessing I'm right. I therefore focus on the football side of things because, quite frankly, the grades of these players not only isn't my business but I couldn't really care less. The administration and staff have to look at themselves in the mirror. If they ever do something wrong, they'll have to live with themselves for it no matter how many wins they achieve.

If Ausberry doesn't get the score he needs, he will be dismissed from consideration. Simple as that.

I also find it sad that Notre Dame gets trumpeted for doing something that schools are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE. How sad is that? I think EVERY school should graduate in the 90% range. Some of these schools aren't even close.

 

[bigdon]

Jiggs, They aren't even close because graduating athletes is not a consideration. Although we love to watch and discuss football we all know that the system is flawed and cannot be fixed. At the risk of sounding obvious, College athletics is a HUGE business. When a school can earn $14 million for playing a football game the graduation rate of it's athletes is not even a topic.

When this subject is raised at the NCAA it is given nothing more than lip service. Charges of "racism" surfice immediately, for obvious reasons. College presidents that try to change the system are lucky to get some small changes made which have little or no effect.

While we are all proud of the graduation rate at ND and rightly criticize schools that are not there, ND is no different than all others in the importance of the football team to the university. At major colleges it is not unusual for ASSISTANT coaches to make more than the college president.

Money trumps graduation every time (and thus it shall ever be)

 

[Domer95]

Commit GPAs:

Aldrige 3.0
Brown 3.2, 19 ACT
Frazer 3.1
Gaines 3.87, 1020 SAT
Gallup 3.5 1430 SAT
Gordon 3.9
Jones 3.3, 23ACT
McNeil 4.1 1100 SAT
Olsen 3.0
Parris 3.65
Prince 4.2, 24 ACT
Ryan 3.5 1570 SAT
Schmidt 3.75 1280 SAT
Wade 3.8
Walls 3.4, 1020 SAT
Webb 3.2, 19 ACT

Offers:
Ausberry 2.9
Jackson 3.2, 950
Reuland 3.8
Carufel 3.78, 23 ACT
Lewis 3.3
Yeatman 3.4, 1500 SAT
Young 3.5
Wenger 4.0
Toryan Smith 3.1, 18 ACT
Richardson 3.2, 910
Moore 3.85, 20
Kates 2.7

Others, of course, do not have this info listed. Looking at this list, Ausberry and Kates are the only players I see below a 3.0 GPA. An 18 and a couple of 19s on the ACT, but otherwise everything looks top notch.

Being from the Midwest, the SAT was not required of us so I have no idea what these scores mean. I'm going to guess that Gallup, Ryan and Yeatman are going to be doing some serious chemistry experiments and leave it at that. Jackson and Richardson at 950 and 910 are the lowest on the list.

Again, not sure how serious ND and Ausberry are about each other, but it would certainly seem that things at ND are running smoothly in the integrity department.

These grades are all very good.

Jigga,
Thanks for the gruntwork and number crunching. These grades are actually BETTER than I'd have thought. You're are quite correct these grades are all VERY GOOD. The SAT is hard to gauge now, as they've tweaked it alot and have dumbed it down since way back in my day of '91.

Let's all TRUST CDub, he said that he'll bring in GOOD KIDS and ACADEMICS is #1 on his list. Has he given us a reason to not trust him so far?????????

 

[jiggafini19]

These grades are actually BETTER than I'd have thought.

I don't know why, but I felt the same way when I saw them. Even though I expect ND recruits to be good students, I was shocked at how good these grades were.

Look at McNeil's numbers!! Awesome.

Dan Wenger could be the next Tim Ruddy.

 

[Batch]

Yeatman, Schmidt, Gallup, and Ryan have great SAT scores. Its been a long time but I am pretty sure anything above 1200 is considered very high.

-Batch

 

[jimoats]

Jiggs,

Nice props to Tim Ruddy. He's a local boy who played in high school athletics in the same conference as me. The guy has never stood for anything but class and dignity. It's nice to see someone recognized class, academics, and sports. Tough to find a combination of all three. ND has the leg up for persons like that.

 

[jiggafini19]

Jiggs,

Nice props to Tim Ruddy. He's a local boy who played in high school athletics in the same conference as me. The guy has never stood for anything but class and dignity. It's nice to see someone recognized class, academics, and sports. Tough to find a combination of all three. ND has the leg up for persons like that.

I remember that 1993 O line having a cumulative GPA of around 3.4 among the five of them.

Ruddy had a 4.0 and his course load was absolutely nuts.

He started 140 games in a ten year career, all with the Dolphins.

And I'm sure now that he's been out of the NFL he's doing well.

 

[kickerbg31]

Lets not forget that the SAT got tweaked this year and is now out of 2400 and not 1600. I agree that the numbers look good on a 1600 point scale, but they are pretty low if they took the new version of the SAT that started in january.

 

[jiggafini19]

Lets not forget that the SAT got tweaked this year and is now out of 2400 and not 1600. I agree that the numbers look good on a 1600 point scale, but they are pretty low if they took the new version of the SAT that started in january.

Thanks for the info.

I never had to take it. Most kids in the Midwest don't. The ACT is the barometer.

I think it is safe to say that these guys are alright. I was looking at some other schools, who shall remain nameless, and checked out their verbals. Lots of four and five stars, but no grade information.

And I'm sure that's not by accident.

 

[irishnd31]

And you know what Jiggs, that is what kills me about all of these A-Holes in the media saying that ND will never be a national contender again because of the strict academic standards we have for admission. We will get the great students, but not the great athletes. We couldn't get these types of kids in the PAST because there was no reason for the GREAT recruits to come here and play for at best a 6-6 football team. We now have C-Dub with the rings, the connections, and the passion for ND to get these kids in , if even just to check the Unibersity out. Once we get these kids on campus, everything takes care of itself.
Are we going to deny kids because of grades? Yes!!
Would the USC's and the Florida State's deny a great recruit because of grades? HELL FREAKIN NO!!

That's is what separates the NDs from the scandalous programs of the country. And YES that is what makes us superior to everyone else.

We will never forget that the reason that these kids are at school is to get an education first and foremost. C-Dub sure as hell will not forget that.

 

[Domer95]

I don't know why, but I felt the same way when I saw them. Even though I expect ND recruits to be good students, I was shocked at how good these grades were.

Look at McNeil's numbers!! Awesome.

Dan Wenger could be the next Tim Ruddy.

Don't forget Jeff Faine.....

 

[jiggafini19]

And you know what Jiggs, that is what kills me about all of these A-Holes in the media saying that ND will never be a national contender again because of the strict academic standards we have for admission. We will get the great students, but not the great athletes. We couldn't get these types of kids in the PAST because there was no reason for the GREAT recruits to come here and play for at best a 6-6 football team. We now have C-Dub with the rings, the connections, and the passion for ND to get these kids in , if even just to check the Unibersity out. Once we get these kids on campus, everything takes care of itself.
Are we going to deny kids because of grades? Yes!!
Would the USC's and the Florida State's deny a great recruit because of grades? HELL FREAKIN NO!!

That's is what separates the NDs from the scandalous programs of the country. And YES that is what makes us superior to everyone else.

We will never forget that the reason that these kids are at school is to get an education first and foremost. C-Dub sure as hell will not forget that.

With this said, I think that Weis and Co. are taking into account the character issue.

There are some really good kids out there that, for whatever reason, just aren't that smart. But they work hard. I know because I've played with these guys. They study harder, they prepare for class more and they get the help they need because they need it and they care.

Then there are the guys who have excuses. They don't do the work, they don't care and they have no interest in school. Never show up at class, study tables and before you know it they're not around anymore.

Perhaps a Micah Johnson, with his 2.3 GPA, is a good kid. David Ausberry might be a good kid. With the recruiting experience on this staff, I think their judge of character will be a factor in choosing good apples from bad ones even though the good ones aren't honor roll students.

 

[jiggafini19]

Grades of ND offers who commited elsewhere:

Mitch Mustain, Arkansas 2.8 GPA, 26 ACT
Aaron Brown, Va Tech, 3.4 950 SAT
Alex Stadler, Alabama, 3.7 990
Eddie Jones, Texas, 2.7
Jamie Cumbie, Clemson, 3.84
Ben Alexander, Texas, 3.0
Norton, LB, Texas, 3.5
Asher Allen, UGA, 3.85
Byron Maxwell, Clemson, 2.8
Chip Gregory, Arkansas, 3.2
Taylor Mays, U of Spoiled Children, 3.52, 1200