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Drop the prejudice and just think with logic. After just seven games, was Notre Dame warranted in giving Charlie Weis a contact extension?
Was The Weis Extension Warranted?
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Aerosmith777
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depends on your definition of "warrented" I think. Did he "deserve" it b/c of what the team's done on the field to that point? No, no one could in 7 games. But I think the situation dictated that it was necessary to quell rumors of his impending move back to the NFL, which was hurting recruiting. Giving him the extension then indirectly help recruiting in this case, making it easier for Weis to do his job, and therefore benefits the school. So I do think it was a smart decision.
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When people started questioning the logic behind this they claimed that 7 games is not enough to dedicate 10 years of a football program to one person that is still relatively new at Head Coaching.
7 wins alone is impressive for a first year head coach taking over a .500 team from the year before. But aside from the 7 wins there is also the quality of wins department (as the BCS poll likes to incorporate). Only 7 games into the season with almost a handful more to go ND has not only wins but quality wins and shows up to every single game to play not to mention setting single season records.
He has turned players with "great potential" into "great players" period. That is called great coaching.
7 wins alone is impressive for a first year head coach taking over a .500 team from the year before. But aside from the 7 wins there is also the quality of wins department (as the BCS poll likes to incorporate). Only 7 games into the season with almost a handful more to go ND has not only wins but quality wins and shows up to every single game to play not to mention setting single season records.
He has turned players with "great potential" into "great players" period. That is called great coaching.
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Yeah he has in everway you look at it. He has recruited, coach well, and hired a stuff that knows how to coach, unlike Ty's stuff. Also he has proved himself in the NFL. What is three or four super bowl rings? So, everyone can shut up who says he didn't earn it. Like that idot from ESPN. What do you know an idot from ESPN.
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Well, it's actually only a 5 year extension, right? They simply reworked the remaining 5 years on the deal and added 5 more to bump up the salary.
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I don't even know what a quality win is anymore.
I do know that ND lost to Pitt, Purdue and BYU last season. they beat all of those teams this season handily. They went to Ann Arbor and won after losing 38-0 the last time they played there. They have a score to settle with Syracuse from a few years ago as well. Offensive records are being broken, nationally rated players have serious interest and the coaching staff he has assembled is second to none.
Now comes the demanding stuff, the stuff that makes a fan base spoiled: Bowl games. BCS Bowl games. Bowl game wins. National titles. In the next 9 years, how many National Titles does Weis have to win to meet up with the standards of the school, alumni and fans?
After 17 years, let's just start with one and go from there.
What I like more than anything else is ND is competing again. I highly doubt a Weis team will ever get blown out. Even when a Holtz team got beat, it was 60 minutes of hell for the opposition. That is what needs to come back again. Two losses in Weis' career that add up to 6 points. There are no moral victories, but give me the moral loss where the team played hard and competed.
They made a 6 year morgage into a ten year one. ND fans agree with it. The haters don't.
And so it goes.
I'm taking this thing one year at a time. There isn't any way to tell if this was a good decision or not. Let's all remember how they ended up with Weis in the first place: they asked Urban to the prom first and he said no. It was the best thing that could have ever happened. So far.
When the next Urban Meyer shows up, will they pull the trigger on Weis if he doesn't have a national title?
I do know that ND lost to Pitt, Purdue and BYU last season. they beat all of those teams this season handily. They went to Ann Arbor and won after losing 38-0 the last time they played there. They have a score to settle with Syracuse from a few years ago as well. Offensive records are being broken, nationally rated players have serious interest and the coaching staff he has assembled is second to none.
Now comes the demanding stuff, the stuff that makes a fan base spoiled: Bowl games. BCS Bowl games. Bowl game wins. National titles. In the next 9 years, how many National Titles does Weis have to win to meet up with the standards of the school, alumni and fans?
After 17 years, let's just start with one and go from there.
What I like more than anything else is ND is competing again. I highly doubt a Weis team will ever get blown out. Even when a Holtz team got beat, it was 60 minutes of hell for the opposition. That is what needs to come back again. Two losses in Weis' career that add up to 6 points. There are no moral victories, but give me the moral loss where the team played hard and competed.
They made a 6 year morgage into a ten year one. ND fans agree with it. The haters don't.
And so it goes.
I'm taking this thing one year at a time. There isn't any way to tell if this was a good decision or not. Let's all remember how they ended up with Weis in the first place: they asked Urban to the prom first and he said no. It was the best thing that could have ever happened. So far.
When the next Urban Meyer shows up, will they pull the trigger on Weis if he doesn't have a national title?
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Was the extension premature? Yes.
Was it 'exce$$ive'? Yes.
Was it necessary? ABSOLUTELY.
This MUST BE viewed in the context of RECRUITING, which had been sub-par to say the least, esp. the last 5 years. RECRUITING is the LIFEBLOOD (or in Ty-ger's case, death knell) of a program. The extension was to quell any fears of recruits of CDub not being here and to SQUASH sperious rumors from scUMbags.
Was it 'exce$$ive'? Yes.
Was it necessary? ABSOLUTELY.
This MUST BE viewed in the context of RECRUITING, which had been sub-par to say the least, esp. the last 5 years. RECRUITING is the LIFEBLOOD (or in Ty-ger's case, death knell) of a program. The extension was to quell any fears of recruits of CDub not being here and to SQUASH sperious rumors from scUMbags.
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Weis=Genius
Weis=Genius
I would like to congratulate Charlie on what he has done for Notre Dame football, and would be one of the first to say that he deserves every last penny of this extension. Charlie Weis has completely flipped Notre Dame around, and turned the team into one that nobody wants to be playing. Has there been one other team this year that has had USC players doubting if they were going to win. People can say all that they want about Willingham not getting the same respect, but just as it has been stated before on this site, Ty did not deserve something like this. Weis has this team scoring more points on average than they have in years. This is something Ty can never say about his teams, and Ty did not have NFL teams trying to sway him to come to the NFL. People know what Charlie can do and they are being treated by having the chance to watch him resurrect the Irish program. Show me another coach that in his first press conference can say, oh and there is some team from California, and that we are going to beat them. Besides being one of the best coaches, he is also by far the classiest coach in all of the leagues. The only people that don't think that Weis deserved this extension, are people that hate Notre Dame and do not want to see its dominance in the next couple of years. And there are also the ignorant people that can't figure it out. So with all of this said, "Congratulations Charlie Weis! You have the Notre Dame faithful believing again." In the near future, I can see a lot of bandwagon fans jumping on this ship.
Weis=Genius
I would like to congratulate Charlie on what he has done for Notre Dame football, and would be one of the first to say that he deserves every last penny of this extension. Charlie Weis has completely flipped Notre Dame around, and turned the team into one that nobody wants to be playing. Has there been one other team this year that has had USC players doubting if they were going to win. People can say all that they want about Willingham not getting the same respect, but just as it has been stated before on this site, Ty did not deserve something like this. Weis has this team scoring more points on average than they have in years. This is something Ty can never say about his teams, and Ty did not have NFL teams trying to sway him to come to the NFL. People know what Charlie can do and they are being treated by having the chance to watch him resurrect the Irish program. Show me another coach that in his first press conference can say, oh and there is some team from California, and that we are going to beat them. Besides being one of the best coaches, he is also by far the classiest coach in all of the leagues. The only people that don't think that Weis deserved this extension, are people that hate Notre Dame and do not want to see its dominance in the next couple of years. And there are also the ignorant people that can't figure it out. So with all of this said, "Congratulations Charlie Weis! You have the Notre Dame faithful believing again." In the near future, I can see a lot of bandwagon fans jumping on this ship.
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iloveirish_12
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Who said no and why? What has he done not to earn this, do you want him going to the NFL? I sure as hell don't. So, who said no on the poll?
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Well, I suspect the contract was warranted (and I said that it was), but I imagine those that said it wasn't either fell for the ESPN race-card or believed our schedule has proven far easier than first expected.
Teams like Tennessee, Purdue, and Pitt were all projected to have great years and have put up losing seasons; Syracuse, BYU, and MSU all appear to be pretty terrible (and MSU beat us); and Stanford and Navy should be nothing to be too concerned about now. Michigan may be a little better than people thought at the start of the season, and we played USC tight, but a 9-2 regular season performance is not really that astounding in retrospect.
Routinely scoring over 40 points a game, on the other hand, is astounding. And, despite the polemics, nobody knows two important factors regarding this contract: The actual value of his salary and the conditions of any 'outs' to be invoked by the relevant parties.
The ramifications of this contract, regardless of whether or not it was warranted, will be extreme. Salaries will go up at other schools-across the board-as a result of this action. And, if there is any justice, the Huskies should give their coach a 40-million 10-year deal too. (oh, please, oh, please, oh, please...)
Teams like Tennessee, Purdue, and Pitt were all projected to have great years and have put up losing seasons; Syracuse, BYU, and MSU all appear to be pretty terrible (and MSU beat us); and Stanford and Navy should be nothing to be too concerned about now. Michigan may be a little better than people thought at the start of the season, and we played USC tight, but a 9-2 regular season performance is not really that astounding in retrospect.
Routinely scoring over 40 points a game, on the other hand, is astounding. And, despite the polemics, nobody knows two important factors regarding this contract: The actual value of his salary and the conditions of any 'outs' to be invoked by the relevant parties.
The ramifications of this contract, regardless of whether or not it was warranted, will be extreme. Salaries will go up at other schools-across the board-as a result of this action. And, if there is any justice, the Huskies should give their coach a 40-million 10-year deal too. (oh, please, oh, please, oh, please...)
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How 'bout: Was the 10-year, 60-million dollar deal with Addias premature?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2218912
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2218912
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dgiorgioiii said:
It certainly covers Weis' contract, which would seem to indicate the deals worked in concert.
Rip Rap said:
I also wonder what other colleges throughout the land think about this deal? I am sure they do not like it.
Will the Weis Contract will start to change the market even more in favor of the bargaining coaches?
If the contract terms and amounts increase (generally), does the college market start to compete more with the NFL market?
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A part of me likes it. Like nuclear escalation, Notre Dame would win the financial battle, and it really forces other schools to rethink their position.
The important thing is that ND is again the premier job in football. We have acquired the best coach and he is paid accordingly.
The important thing is that ND is again the premier job in football. We have acquired the best coach and he is paid accordingly.
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Rip Rap said:
If this is true, I'd KILL to be Pete Carroll's agent right now.
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Domer95 said:
Indeed they would.
Two people I absolutely loathe.
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Domer95 said:
I was thinking the same thing.
Adidas, hence, must also be racist.
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jiggafini19 said:
So too with the Naval Academy. They didn't sign a ten-year deal with ND when that other guy was coach. Only now.
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As far as I'm concerned, the extension was warranted. Charlie Weis is going to go down as one of the greatest ball handling coaches in NCAA history. His name is going to be spoken of in the same context as Steve Spurrier and Bear Bryant. The deal is definetly warranted because as much as he claims to love Notre Dame, we still live in a world where money talks. The administration did what they had to do and what they thought was necessary to ensure their program would be restored to the greatness that they deserve. Besides as Svboda stated, it's actually only a five year extension from his existing contract. I support the extension to the fullest.
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Absolutely not
Absolutely not
One season does not a coach make. If that where the case Berry Switzer would still be coaching Dallas.
Absolutely not
One season does not a coach make. If that where the case Berry Switzer would still be coaching Dallas.
IrishRule said:
Again like your Notre Dame chokes comment, you offer a one liner with no substance.
Do you have any observations about Charlie Weis?
Where did you see Charlie Weis fall short given the late start in arriving on campus, the late start he had in recruiting, the racial allegations that he walked into, the material he had to work with, and the competition (all veteran head coaches) he had to face?
And if you feel his late start was a crutch, toss it aside.
Have you got any specifics regarding:
Coaching Staff hires
Recruiting (the last class as well as the one in progress, and next years)
Transition to new Offensive and Defensive schemes
Player Development
Game Preparation
Game Plan
Game Adjustments
Play Calling
Administration Relations
Work Ethic
Character
Sportsmanship
Humanity
Feel free to add any other areas where you feel he hasn't EXCELLED.
Oh, and how many games did you think ND would win preseason?