Brady Quinn & the NFL

[IndyIrish]

I was just listening to ESPN radio and the talking head (Cowherd, maybe) was discussing how impressive Brady Quinn looked in the loss to USC. He went on to say that, in his opinion, Brady Quinn went from a late-4th to a mid-1st round pick. The turnaround Charlie Weis has engineered with Quinn has been impressive. Given the rest of ND's schedule, Quinn's numbers at the end of the year project to be monstrous. The question: Does Quinn entertain the idea of giving up his final year of eligibility to enter the draft? There aren't many top-flight NFL prospects at his position (Leinart and Young come immediately to mind, but I'm not sold on either as NFL'ers; Jacobs might be better). There are likely to be several QB-needy teams at the top to middle of the draft (NY Jets, Miami Dolphins, Cleveland, Baltimore, Oakland, Arizona, maybe Detroit). There are several other teams that will pick later in the first round that might be interested in grooming a young quarterback (Tampa Bay - Gruden doesn't appear to be high on Simms, Dallas, Kansas City).

How convinced is everyone that Quinn is coming back and if he doesn't what does Notre Dame do next year?

 

[bmf175]

I dont think there is any doubt in most peoples minds that Brady hasnt even thought about entering the draft. He loves Notre Dame and I know he can see this year as a rebuilding/ BCS bowl bid chasing year.
I think he is eager to come back next year with his top receiver and chase the National Title, no doubt in my mind.
And as improved as he is he above all else will be the first to admit that if he stays for one more year with this coaching staff he will be even better.

If he does go (I cant believe I am entertaining this thought) We have Wolke and Sharpley not to mention two highly recruited freshman coming in. So if he leaves we would be hurting at experience for QB. But I am sure Wolke gets at least 30-40 snaps in the upcoming games.

 

[IndyIrish]

As a correction to my previous post, Leinart is the only senior. Jacobs and Young are both juniors, as are Chris Leak (who might be a good NFL quarterback if Meyer doesn't completely screw the kid up) and Drew Stanton. Are there any senior quarterbacks of any renown? I can't think of one. That dearth of quality at the position in the senior class means that any of the aforementioned juniors that do declare for the NFL stand a good chance to make a lot of $.

I agree that Quinn will return. Another year under Weis may result in a #1 pick and a Heisman, as opposed to just a first-rounder. Still, it would be hard to pass up.

 

[Domer95]

How convinced is everyone that Quinn is coming back and if he doesn't what does Notre Dame do next year?[/QUOTE]

I'm IVORY SOAP SURE (99 and 44/100ths % sure).

REASONS:
1) He'll be the frontrunner for the Heisman
2) Build off of a BCS bowl victory
3) We'll be ranked preseason Top 5
4) WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
5) One more year of seasoning with CW
6) Go down as possibly the greatest ND QB (or at worst top 3)
7) Be the first overall pick in this draft, while Leinhart rides the pine and wonders if he can get a spot on "Dancing with the Stars"

 

[bmf175]

7) Be the first overall pick in this draft, while Leinhart rides the pine and wonders if he can get a spot on "Dancing with the Stars"

Nice...lol

 

[guff]

No way he comes out. He will be late first/early second this year and not ready to be an NFL starter. Next year at the current pace he's #1 overall and ready to step in and start in the NFL. Weis is prepping him for the NFL and he needs another year of prep time.

I think he and Weis will have a conversation on the subject. Weis will advise him to stay. BQ will listen.

 

[irishnd31]

I know that Brady is a smart kid and will utilize his senior year as a learning tool for the eventual professional career. Why not gain as much as you can from C-Dub while you still can.

 

[WeisGuy05]

I know that Brady is a smart kid and will utilize his senior year as a learning tool for the eventual professional career. Why not gain as much as you can from C-Dub while you still can.

Agree. It would be totally stupid for Quinn to go after the season. Brady has just started to really think and react like a great QB should since Weis as taken over. One good year does some nice things for BQ. One great year next season and one more year under Weis and Vaas would establish Quinn as a top 7 pick...depending on a teams need for a QB. This is forward thinking here but it is going to be weird not seeing #10 under center someday.

 

[weisfaninmass]

How convinced is everyone that Quinn is coming back and if he doesn't what does Notre Dame do next year?

I'm IVORY SOAP SURE (99 and 44/100ths % sure).

REASONS:
1) He'll be the frontrunner for the Heisman
2) Build off of a BCS bowl victory
3) We'll be ranked preseason Top 5
4) WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
5) One more year of seasoning with CW
6) Go down as possibly the greatest ND QB (or at worst top 3)
7) Be the first overall pick in this draft, while Leinhart rides the pine and wonders if he can get a spot on "Dancing with the Stars"

you are 7 for 7 on this -- great analysis.

 

[BGIF]

I know that Brady is a smart kid and will utilize his senior year as a learning tool for the eventual professional career. Why not gain as much as you can from C-Dub while you still can.

When Quinn came to ND he was a good high school QB that quickly learned on his own how to take a hit.

After two years under Diedrick's tutelage Quinn learned to squat.

In 10 months under Weis he's learned posture, footwork, mechanics, technique, to read defenses, to communicate with his receives, to audible the correct play, and to execute it.

He's aware how far another 15 months of CW can take him.

 

[njndirish]

Weis won't let anyone go pro. He will convince them to stay at ND.
Quinn meanwhile looked like Tom Brady marching down the field and a slower Michael Vick as he would take the ball for first downs. Quinn played near flawless against SC. (that Int was a tip)
Leinart-no offense but he just SUCKS!!
1. WR's are taller than opponents secondary
2. Top player in the nation playing HB
3. Had Defense last year to support his sorry ablity
4. Pac 10-EASY conference the last two years (not this year) and most teams in the P10 don't play well at secondary
5. Not mobile, no matter what those dancing classes can do for him
6. Had a great o-coord feeding him plays
7. Looks like a hobo

 

[Guest]

Quinn stays, he still needs another year. Fasano will be gone IMO, I hope to God Ryan Harris doesn't leave early, he'd be a first day pick for sure. Considering we lose LeVoir and Stevenson we'll desperately need Harris to return for his last year.

My question is will Rhema be back next year, surprised not to see him in the SC game, I bet Weis has looked into redshirting him, he probably told him he'd have to work his way into a deep WR depth chart this year, whereas next year he'd be one of the top receiver's on the team....

 

[BigIrish]

frankly, i don't see anyone leaving early. and i expect anyone who's eligible for a 5th year - including fasano - to apply for it. the irish are capable of winning out this year and going to a bcs game. next year, we'll have (albeit young) more than one impact player on the field. aldridge sharing time with walker, schwapp and thomas? quinn back as a senior? the shark? and fasano?

another year of development in the weis system and i've got to believe that the Irish can make a run at the title next year. THAT's what will keep players around for another season.

 

[Domer95]

frankly, i don't see anyone leaving early. and i expect anyone who's eligible for a 5th year - including fasano - to apply for it. the irish are capable of winning out this year and going to a bcs game. next year, we'll have (albeit young) more than one impact player on the field. aldridge sharing time with walker, schwapp and thomas? quinn back as a senior? the shark? and fasano?

another year of development in the weis system and i've got to believe that the Irish can make a run at the title next year. THAT's what will keep players around for another season.

Don't forget Marc Edwards II (Schmidt)......

 

[jiggafini19]

Quinn will be back for another year. Two losses this year mean he'll take another shot at it. He's going to need the fine tuning.

Something to consider: McKnight, Stovall and Shelton all gone next year. Shark will be back, Fasano most likely but his value could be high. Who will Quinn be throwing to? Stay tuned.

By the time the combine rolls around, don't be surprised in Matt Leinart's value drops a little bit. Two words: Omar Jacobs. He's raw and would require some tuning, but his upside is far greater than Leinart. Leinart cannot make the pro throws. NFL corners will close in on his ball and pick it more often than not.

Back to Quinn...he has the knowledge of an NFL system that won a few Super Bowls. One more year under Weis and he'll be ready.

Hopefully the Bears don't draft him and f*ck it all up.

 

[guff]

I think Fasano is off to the NFL. He has to go for purely economic reasons. He only has so many football playing years left in him. He could do one of those years for free or he could earn big bucks. He has to take the money.

It's not like he can improve draft with another year. His value is known. Weis has been talking him up all year. I think he's the first TE taken.

 

[irish9331]

I was nice to see someone make the point that Cowherd made this morning. In all of the Leinart hype no-one ever seems to make the point that the kid cannot take a hit to save his life.

 

[jiggafini19]

I was nice to see someone make the point that Cowherd made this morning. In all of the Leinart hype no-one ever seems to make the point that the kid cannot take a hit to save his life.

I've been saying it for the last year, two things:

He NEVER gets hit and when he does he's banged up for weeks.

2, his throws are not NFL throws. ZERO arm strength.

Smith and Rogers would have went before him. This guy was a second or third round pick in April.

 

[jiggafini19]

Weis won't let anyone go pro. He will convince them to stay at ND.
Quinn meanwhile looked like Tom Brady marching down the field and a slower Michael Vick as he would take the ball for first downs. Quinn played near flawless against SC. (that Int was a tip)

I completely disagree.

If Weis doesn't let anyone go pro and "convinces" them to stay, than he's a jerk for doing so if they are truly ready. I see Weis using his contacts and getting his guys the correct info. If they're ready to go, they should go. Holding a guy back from taking the next step for your own personal agenda is not the right thing to do.

I don't think Quinn was anywhere near flawless. He played a very good game, but wasn't close to flawless. The passing game was quite stagnant for a good portion of the game at the beginning. He looked much better in the second half.

 

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

Read today in the SB Tiribune that McKnight may take a medical red shirt thsi year.

 

[jiggafini19]

Read today in the SB Tiribune that McKnight may take a medical red shirt thsi year.

This was discussed in a previous thread and I still don't see how it is possible.

Is there a link to the story on line?

 

[bmf175]

Here it is from Brady's mouth.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/sports/12977828.htm

Looking forward to next year.

 

[Damian Conley]

Let's just hope that he sticks around, because I don't think that we can win the national title without him. At least not next year.

 

[iowadomer]

BRADY has said repeatedly he's coming back. Let's believe him and stop all the speculation.

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

The BQ-RMK-Shark combo will be incredibly deadly next year. Amazing Stats and do not forget another year of experience for Darius Walker

 

[jiggafini19]

BRADY has said repeatedly he's coming back. Let's believe him and stop all the speculation.

Do any of you really believe he is ready for the NFL?

My answer is no. Quinn will need another year of spring ball and a full season to become a first round draft pick. His progress in one year has been terrific, but imagine what another year will do.

I still see him overshooting wide open receivers at times. More tuteledge and he'll be ready to roll.

Again, I agree with my Domer friend from the Hawkeye state. This issue is not an issue.

 

[BigIrish]

ha. we're the ones turning it into an issue. quinn has never even hinted at leaving early, and has even indicated the opposite in his most recent quotes. we're fueling speculation with speculation. it's amazing this thread is as long as it is.

 

[bigdon]

I think the decision will be made by Weis as much as Brady. If it one thing that Weis knows ( and certainly not the only thing) it's NFL QBs. I believe he will tell Brady wether or not he is ready for NFL duty. To me this is a no-brainer. He comes back and chases the Heisman.

 

[Batch]

The BQ-RMK-Shark combo will be incredibly deadly next year. Amazing Stats and do not forget another year of experience for Darius Walker

Dont forget about Grimes who got his first start on Saturday. And from Coach Weis's comments it looks like DJ Hord has worked his way into being right there in the line up. If Grimes and Hord get good quality minutes these next 4 games it will be really, really scarey next season!

-Batch

 

[ND Lifer]

Quinn will definitely stay. Fasano will definitely go. Harris is a 50-50 either way. Everybody else with eligibility will return. With another year under his belt under Charlie's guidence, Quinn will become a great QB and ready to step in at the pro level. Probably a top 5 in the 1st round, with a good chance to be the No. 1 pick in the draft. We will obviously miss Fasano, but we are deep at TE and they should be more than adequate. Would like to see Harris stay. He is our best lineman by far. With Harris, Morton, Sullivan, etc., plus the TE's we have the core of a very good line, which Quinn will need to continue his onslaught on the record book.