D. Jones

[iowadomer]

Everyone that says that Charlie would rather have Jones over Mustain is high on crack! Charlie would love to have Mustain, because he offered him a scholarship on the first batch of QBs. Just because Mitch Mustain wanted to commit on his own terms, we should not bash him. Arkansas will be a place were he will take his bumps, but in the end he will suceed there. What is the actual difference between Mustain's 4.8 and Jones' 4.7. I'll answer that, NOTHING! How often do quarterbacks get to run 40 yards at a time? NOT VERY OFTEN! It makes all Notre Dame fans look ignorant when someone commits elsewhere, and afterwards people post how overrated they were. When in reality it is total bullshit!

 

[Batch]

Can you post a link to a thread where someone on this board is bashing Mustain? I see one thread about Mustain committing but I dont really see any bashing going on.

If anything there was more bashing of D. Jones when he committed than what I have read about Mustain on this board.

-Batch

 

[iowadomer]

I'm glad we got a commitment from D. Jones over Mitch Mustain. We don't need another pocketpasser like Frazer. I trust Charlie Weis.

That comment is just ridiculous b/c Charlie actually offered Mustain, so he's got to be one helluva player. All I'm saying is it makes ND fans look ignorant if we bash or say how we didn't want/need a player that commits elsewhere. Why can't we just wish them the best of luck in the future, and be done with it?

 

[jiggafini19]

It makes all Notre Dame fans look ignorant when someone commits elsewhere, and afterwards people post how overrated they were.

I'm going to agree with you on this. I wanted Steve Brown, I wanted Jaime Cumbie to come to ND. Yes. You're correct. This occurs on this board, as well as others.

Iowadomer, you're missing the point here though. No one is saying that Weis wanted Jones more than Mustain. To be quite honest, I'm not sure that I really care because I'd have taken either one.

The facts are these: Weis wanted 2 QBs in this class and he got them. They must now focus their efforts on cornerbacks and o-line.

But to call Jones "garbage" is as ignorant as the comments you are criticizing people for making. Jones is a passer, but not a pocket passer. He is probably the best QB to come out of the Chicago area in 20 years. There are a lot of misconceptions about his game, mostly because a lot of people outside of Chicago see his skin tone and start to assume things. Morgan Park HS does not run the option.

I will see him live at Soldier Field on the 27th and will bring a full report, whether I have to eat crow or not.

 

[Batch]

Iowa I respect your opinion and thought process but it's just one person's opinion about what they think the ND team needs. And no one is questioning the kids (Mitch Mustain) talent or character.

I cant imagine what other people would have said about him if he had committed to ND over Arkansas. As another poster said I am just encouraged that he even considered us.

-Batch

 

[Batch]

But to call Jones "garbage" is as ignorant as the comments you are criticizing people for making. Jones is a passer, but not a pocket passer. He is probably the best QB to come out of the Chicago area in 20 years. There are a lot of misconceptions about his game, mostly because a lot of people outside of Chicago see his skin tone and start to assume things. Morgan Park HS does not run the option.

I completely agree with you Jigga

I will see him live at Soldier Field on the 27th and will bring a full report, whether I have to eat crow or not.

I can't wait for your report. I am pretty high on both our QB recruits. If I get out to mechanicsburg and see Frazer I will definately give an update.

-Batch

 

[jiggafini19]

The Chicago Sun Times ranked it's top 25 preseason teams today. Both Morgan Park and Mt. Carmel are in the top 10. Since Morgan Park and Mt. Carmel both use Chicago Park District fields for home games, the game has been moved to Soldier Field to accomodate the expected crowd. (Soldier Field is part of the Chicago Park District) These two schools are very close to one another, one Catholic and public. Mt. Carmel is a state and national powerhouse, Morgan Park is looking to become the first Chicago Public League team to win a state title.

Mt. Carmel WR James Jefferies is also in contact with ND. I'll be sure to give the 411 on him.

 

[iloveirish_12]

I thought Jones run a 4.5 and i a don't think Jones is going to play qb, he will be a WR or maybe a db.

 

[jiggafini19]

I thought Jones run a 4.5 and i a don't think Jones is going to play qb, he will be a WR or maybe a db.

He has never played either one, nor will he do so this year.

I'm not sure where this is coming from. Weis has never mentioned it, nor has Jones.

Can someone show me a link where Jones or Weis is saying this?

 

[Guest]

Everyone that says that Charlie would rather have Jones over Mustain is high on crack! Charlie would love to have Mustain, because he offered him a scholarship on the first batch of QBs. Just because Mitch Mustain wanted to commit on his own terms, we should not bash him. Arkansas will be a place were he will take his bumps, but in the end he will suceed there. What is the actual difference between Mustain's 4.8 and Jones' 4.7. I'll answer that, NOTHING! How often do quarterbacks get to run 40 yards at a time? NOT VERY OFTEN! It makes all Notre Dame fans look ignorant when someone commits elsewhere, and afterwards people post how overrated they were. When in reality it is total bullshit!

Weis would be happy with either one. Jones made sure to commit before Mustain's announcement.

I don't know what boards you've been reading. I really haven't seen anyone bashing Mustain. Before Jones committed I said I wanted Jones more then Mustain. Just my personal opinion.

Jones runs a 4.5 not a 4.7. Thats why many Irish fans feel he may play WR down the road, if it doesn't work out at QB for him. With Mustain, there's no other options, he's a QB.

I really feel that if Frazer wins the starting job, Weis will design QB plays for Jones to come in an execute from time to time. In all my years of following college football I don't think I've ever seen this kind of combo at QB, Frazer has drawn comparisions to Tom Brady, and Jones has drawn comparisions to McNabb. Those are two QB's that were in the Super Bowl last year for crying out loud.

 

[jiggafini19]

Jones has been getting zero respect from the ND faithful.

I'm actually quite shocked by the negativity towards him, to be quite honest.

He's a local kid, so I have some information about him and am in the know. I've heard nothing but good things. He's got a few rough edges that need shaping. Enter Weis and Vaas.

Frazer and Jones both rate higher than Sharpley, as I'm sure we can all agree. ND has doubled their value from last year's class at the QB position.

 

[bmf175]

He has never played either one, nor will he do so this year.

I'm not sure where this is coming from. Weis has never mentioned it, nor has Jones.

Can someone show me a link where Jones or Weis is saying this?

This is located in the "D. Jones commits" thread. I was shocked as well when I read this post.

 

[iowadomer]

If Frazer won the QB job over Mustain why couldnt Weis create plays for Mustain to run? If Weis is so creative why can't he use all the talent he can get?

 

[BigIrish]

because there comes a time when you have to spend your time and energy on positions other than QB. weis had a list of QBs that he wanted. he said he wanted to sign two. he got two. let's assume that weis knows more about the QB needs at ND than we do, and that he's moved on to more pressing needs...

i can't believe we're debating the merits of three of the best quarterbacks in the country, considering the fact that, under the davie/willingham eras, we'd have been ecstatic about getting ONE of them.

 

[jiggafini19]

i can't believe we're debating the merits of three of the best quarterbacks in the country, considering the fact that, under the davie/willingham eras, we'd have been ecstatic about getting ONE of them.

I think Dan Gorski got more of a favorable reaction as a walk on four months ago than Jones has. At that point, I think we would have been happy with a 38 year old Paul Blake (someone has to catch this reference) in the 2005 recruiting class, though.

Seriously, I've been sharing some of the feedback on Jones with some the local football network here in Chicago. The WR and DB stuff cracks them up. I wish you could see him play. I've only seen tape, but the real thing is in a week. It will be the best opening game in the state by far.

I hope that he doesn't end up anywhere but QB. It wouldn't be a great use of a scholarship. Again, if anyone finds an article or link where Weis and/or Jones talks about moving him to another position, I'd love to see it.

To this point, I haven't seen mention of it.

 

[BigIrish]

I hope that he doesn't end up anywhere but QB. It wouldn't be a great use of a scholarship. Again, if anyone finds an article or link where Weis and/or Jones talks about moving him to another position, I'd love to see it.

To this point, I haven't seen mention of it.

i think the talk of WR and DB is simply blind speculation by posters worried about a two QB controversy. i haven't seen any mention in any news reports.

 

[sblxdoc]

I think everybody is assuming Jones will play something other than QB because the styles of quaterback that Weis has recruited in these 2 guys is completely different. I'm guilty of this thought also. IMO Weis is gonna let these guys fight for the QB position and then mold this team around "their" style, whether its Frazer's style or Jones's style.

 

[brucejcarr]

Enough already! Demetrius Jones is an awesome addition to the 2006 recruiting class and to say otherwise is absolutely ridiculous. Frazer and Jones will battle each other for four or five years now, which will make both players better. Weis and company have a plan for this university (team) and so far it has gone according to their script. To second guess anyone on this staff is asinine.

P.S. - To all the recruits who read this board welcome to the Notre Dame FAMILY and Go Irish!

 

[sblxdoc]

Enough already! Demetrius Jones is an awesome addition to the 2006 recruiting class and to say otherwise is absolutely ridiculous. Frazer and Jones will battle each other for four or five years now, which will make both players better. Weis and company have a plan for this university (team) and so far it has gone according to their script. To second guess anyone on this staff is asinine.

P.S. - To all the recruits who read this board welcome to the Notre Dame FAMILY and Go Irish!

Thank You!

 

[Rip Rap]

Thank You!

Seconded. Jones is a tremendous asset.

 

[irishnd31]

Thirded. Welcome Demetrius Jones and all others who have pledged their allegience to the IRISH.

 

[irishtexan]

Paul Blake.........Texas State Armadillos, right? Boy, he had a gun and that team had a hot kicker.

 

[jiggafini19]

Paul Blake.........Texas State Armadillos, right? Boy, he had a gun and that team had a hot kicker.

That WR Featherstone looked a lot like Alvin Mack from ESU, too.

 

[BGIF]

I'm glad we got a commitment from D. Jones over Mitch Mustain. We don't need another pocketpasser like Frazer. I trust Charlie Weis.

That comment is just ridiculous b/c Charlie actually offered Mustain, so he's got to be one helluva player. All I'm saying is it makes ND fans look ignorant if we bash or say how we didn't want/need a player that commits elsewhere. Why can't we just wish them the best of luck in the future, and be done with it?

What's ridiculous is your response to those comments. Please point out the offending word(s) that were used.

"I'm glad we got a commitment from D. Jones over Mitch Mustain."

I read a nonderogatory declarative statement.

"We don't need another pocketpasser like Frazer."

Another nonderogatory statement expressing to me someone who likes
variety in the style of QB play. Jones is widely reported more mobile than Frazer but then so is Mustain. Frazer is clearly the least mobile of the three. Even if I was on a witch hunt for bashing I couldn't rationalize that poster's sentence into a bashing of Mustain.

"I trust Charlie Weis."

Well that's not a bash of Mustain either, is it? Weis offered Mustain. He also offered Jones and that slower moving pocketpasser,Fraser.


The only bashing I saw was in your responses. The example you cited doesn't qualify.

 

[jiggafini19]

Jones Quote From Chicago Sun Times

Jones Quote From Chicago Sun Times

"Talent wise, this (Morgan Park) isn't a better team than last year. But this year is more of a team. We don't count on one person to come through. We all jell together. We're all running like water through a faucet."