Tyrann Mathieu

[Irish YJ]

Why doesn't he just transfer to a school in Cali, and get a prescription?
Just saying...

I'm sure it's one of Kiffy's positive recruiting....

 

[kmoose]

I doubt we hear about this kid in any meaningful way again...

Yes, we will. But it will be in the legal section, not the sports section.

 

[Irish YJ]

AC did say "meaningful way"

 

[Rhode Irish]

Um....this kid is going to play one year at DII and then play in the NFL. Has he even been charged with a crime? Maybe you guys don't watch the NFL, but if you do you will probably hear a lot about him starting again next spring.

 

[ryno 24]

Um....this kid is going to play one year at DII and then play in the NFL. Has he even been charged with a crime? Maybe you guys don't watch the NFL, but if you do you will probably hear a lot about him starting again next spring.

True but he just lost a lot of money, millions possibly, because he will no longer be a first round draft pick

 

[NDhoosier]

I am sure when they test the urine, they are testing for multiple things. Weed just happened to pop up. I doubt that he took these tests "just for weed." However, after the first one or two failed tests, you can probably assume that the latter ones had the testers looking for weed.

 

[AtkinsonsCleats]

Tyrann is a moron but...

 

[Chamellion]

I honestly don't think he would have been a first rounder anyway. He's small for a safety. A great college player, but not as much in the pros. There are countless examples of that happening before, the size being the disadvantage.

 

[RyCo1983]

I honestly don't think he would have been a first rounder anyway. He's small for a safety. A great college player, but not as much in the pros. There are countless examples of that happening before, the size being the disadvantage.

He's undersized for any defensive back position really. Doesn't mean he can't overcome it...some have.

His bread and butter will be his impact in the return game.
But yeah...as of now he's generally regarded as an early 2nd rounder.

That is going to drop due to character concerns.

 

[irish1958]

Clayton said this kid must have done something really bad for a SEC school to kick him out.
I also doubt it was a bit of pot.

 

[TexasNDFan]

Dude, I don't care about Mathieu at all. I'm not even defending him. He made his own informed decisions and he can live with them. My point is that, in general, the idea of testing athletes for marijuana is as offensively stupid as anything I can think of. You keep saying it is illegal, like that somehow justifies the practice, but it misses the point entirely. If an athlete is arrested and charged with a drug crime, treat that as you would any other crime if you are so inclined. But why are we so concerned about smoking pot that we are going out of our way to test for it?

You bring up how many tests he's failed like that should matter to me. If LSU wants to have an inane rule about drug tests and punishments, then they should have tossed him after one or two tests. I'm not interested in defending this kid. I'm interested in why they care about marijuana enough to have a policy and test for it at all. In my opinion, failing 100 tests is no worse than failing one because I don't think smoking weed is a "bad" thing for a person to do. It may still be illegal in some states, but the same could have been said at some point for many things we now fully accept. I think it is a waste of time and resources, and apparently individual talent in some cases, to fight this battle that has absolutely no justification.

I'm not sure if you know anything about drug tests, but they check for all illegal substances and even for some legal ones because it will be illegal for you to have them unless you have a prescription. It just depends on what they are willing to spend on how thorough these tests can be. You can check all the drug policies in the country and they don't list specific drugs that can not be taken, they go by what is illegal. Just so you know marijuana is an illegal substance in all fifty states and yes I know there are a few states that allow medicinal marijuana, but you still need a prescription. All in all it doesn't matter if you agree whether marijuana should be illegal or not, what matters is that you know what the consequences are for having it in in you system. Mathieu chose to risk it and he got caught. Even if it was legal, it would probably be handled much like alcohol, which could get you fired if you to drink on the job or still be impaired while working.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'm not sure if you know anything about drug tests, but they check for all illegal substances and even for some legal ones because it will be illegal for you to have them unless you have a prescription. It just depends on what they are willing to spend on how thorough these tests can be. You can check all the drug policies in the country and they don't list specific drugs that can not be taken, they go by what is illegal. Just so you know marijuana is an illegal substance in all fifty states and yes I know there are a few states that allow medicinal marijuana, but you still need a prescription. All in all it doesn't matter if you agree whether marijuana should be illegal or not, what matters is that you know what the consequences are for having it in in you system. Mathieu chose to risk it and he got caught. Even if it was legal, it would probably be handled much like alcohol, which could get you fired if you to drink on the job or still be impaired while working.

You serious? I know how drug tests work. When I say "test for," I mean that whoever is ordering the test can decide what they want to do with the information. Quest Diagnostics or whoever is physically conducting the test is not handing down suspensions or kicking people off of teams.

 

[RyCo1983]

So this is how I see the situation....

drugs = against team policy

right or wrong...IS NOT IMPORTANT...policy is policy and is to be followed as are laws.

Tyrann = broke team policy numerous times

Tyrann = repeat offender

repeat offender = eliminated from team

Honey Badger should give a %4$#
But quite clearly either 1) is too unintelligent to comprehend the policy (SEC so completely believable) or 2) just doesn't care enough to adhere to team policies that he is well aware of.

 

[Irishbounty28]

So this is how I see the situation....

drugs = against team policy

right or wrong...IS NOT IMPORTANT...policy is policy and is to be followed as are laws.

Tyrann = broke team policy numerous times

Tyrann = repeat offender

repeat offender = eliminated from team

Honey Badger should give a %4$#
But quite clearly either 1) is too unintelligent to comprehend the policy (SEC so completely believable) or 2) just doesn't care enough to adhere to team policies that he is well aware of.

I believe he thought that he was "above" the policies of the SEC. It is hard to understand, but being admired and talked about by everyone in the nation can go to your head. I think he believed that there was not anything he could do to get kicked off the team. This is the problem with college sports, the athletes think they have all the power. There is so much pressure on coaches to win that sometimes rules are not adhered to. Also, coaches go through obstacles just to recruit some of these high valued recruits, which in and of itself is turned around. It should be an honor to be recruited by so many schools nationwide, yet it is just another tool used to promote an individuals talents.

I wish that all of the schools would get on the sam level, and begin to take control of College Football. Get to a position where the athlete knows that he holds no control over the aspects of the team, and needs to abide by the rules. This cannot be done until all of the schools are on the same page, and are treated similarly by the NCAA. Ultimately, with the power comes the attitude, and kids will continue to act this way as long as they are treated like prodigies.

 

[RyCo1983]

I believe he thought that he was "above" the policies of the SEC. It is hard to understand, but being admired and talked about by everyone in the nation can go to your head. I think he believed that there was not anything he could do to get kicked off the team. This is the problem with college sports, the athletes think they have all the power. There is so much pressure on coaches to win that sometimes rules are not adhered to. Also, coaches go through obstacles just to recruit some of these high valued recruits, which in and of itself is turned around. It should be an honor to be recruited by so many schools nationwide, yet it is just another tool used to promote an individuals talents.

I wish that all of the schools would get on the sam level, and begin to take control of College Football. Get to a position where the athlete knows that he holds no control over the aspects of the team, and needs to abide by the rules. This cannot be done until all of the schools are on the same page, and are treated similarly by the NCAA. Ultimately, with the power comes the attitude, and kids will continue to act this way as long as they are treated like prodigies.

^This is why I watch more MAC and C-USA football than anything else nowadays.

 

[obi wan mahoney]

My father, a ND fan for nearly 60 years, said it best: I'd rather ND be 8-5 with quality student athletes than win a national championship with a team full of Honey Badgers.

 

[RyCo1983]

My father, a ND fan for nearly 60 years, said it best: I'd rather ND be 8-5 with quality student athletes than win a national championship with a team full of Honey Badgers.

Amen.

 

[RyCo1983]

Double post

Mods deleted please

 

[PANDFAN]

For which steroid? All of them?

Interesting.

There are literally thousands of different steroids but its game of cat and mouse between the chemist and the doping officials

 

[rocket31]

My father, a ND fan for nearly 60 years, said it best: I'd rather ND be 8-5 with quality student athletes than win a national championship with a team full of Honey Badgers.

smoking weed doesnt make anyone a horrible person, and if you think players on the ND team dont smoke than LOL at you; our players are just smart enough to not get caught.

honey badger is not a bad guy, but yes, he is beyond stupid.

 

[obi wan mahoney]

smoking weed doesnt make anyone a horrible person, and if you think players on the ND team dont smoke than LOL at you; our players are just smart enough to not get caught.

honey badger is not a bad guy, but yes, he is beyond stupid.

Allow me to clarify. First of all, smoking pot doesn't make a Mathieu horrible person; he's just made a few costly immature mistakes.
My point was:
We know that he violated team policies several times and got kicked off a SEC team and wasted a run at a national title. Why? Possibly, he doesn't care about the team or getting a degree. Probably, Mastieu thinks that HE is guaranteed a NFL contract in 2013. He's probably correct. If not, what does he have to fall back on? Do you want a team full of players with that type of attitude?
No, thanks. Notre Dame has recruited a few lemons also; however, ND strives to recruit young men that are willing to develop intellectually, spiritually, and socially, which are aspects of Coach Ernest Jones' responsibilities.
For me, I'm glad that we are not a SEC powerhouse football school that constantly sacrifices integrity for wins. I'm proud of most of the ND football players, who might not otherwise had the opportunity to receive a great education, that leave there with a degree and bright future regardless of the their winning percentage.

 

[irish1958]

smoking weed doesnt make anyone a horrible person, and if you think players on the ND team dont smoke than LOL at you; our players are just smart enough to not get caught.

honey badger is not a bad guy, but yes, he is beyond stupid.

How do you know he was smoking pot? Did I miss something?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

smoking weed doesnt make anyone a horrible person, and if you think players on the ND team dont smoke than LOL at you; our players are just smart enough to not get caught.

honey badger is not a bad guy, but yes, he is beyond stupid.

How do you know he's not a bad guy? And no, I am not saying that smoking pot makes you a bad person, but it doesn't make you a good person either or a victim. He knew the rules, whether he agrees with them or not, and he violated them. Just like breaking curfew, does it make them a bad person? No. But, it makes them suspended from the game and a nonfactor.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I just dont understand why people cant follow ****ing rules, especially when compliance leads to your dream and millions of dollars.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Not sure why people are acting like Mathieu is a sure-fire NFL star. The guy is 5-foot-nothing, 100-and-nothing.

 

[peoriairish]

Not sure why people are acting like Mathieu is a sure-fire NFL star. The guy is 5-foot-nothing, 100-and-nothing.

You saw him play against the SEC last year right?

Stevens-Hawking, Ray Rice, Jim Leonhard, and MJD are all examples of small fellas that can ball. Height isn't everything.

 

[IndyIrishFan1]

According to @schadjoe Tyrann Mathieu has expressed interest sitting out season, staying in class and hoping for return 2 LSU program 2013

 

[rocket31]

How do you know he's not a bad guy?

i could go on and on, but whats the point, you would never believe me...

arrogant and misguided? yes; but a "bad guy"? far from it...

 

[CarrollVermin]

According to @schadjoe Tyrann Mathieu has expressed interest sitting out season, staying in class and hoping for return 2 LSU program 2013

He can't...LSU policy states permanent dismissal.

 

[irishpat183]

Are you really too lazy to read back one post to see that we addressed that in the conversation? Just to humor you: it is barely illegal at this point (most civilized American states and foreign countries have either legalized it to some degree or decriminalized it), and it is only a matter of time before it is completely legal everywhere.

But the bigger point is that nobody should care about whether an athlete or anyone else uses marijuana. Just because something is illegal (for now) doesn't mean it is per se "bad". That is a dangerously stupid way to think about the world. Most laws make sense, but there are certainly quite a few dumb laws that don't make any sense at all.


Also, this is NOT a legal issue, since there is nothing to indicate he was arrested for any drug-related offense; he apparently popped on a urine test, which is decidedly not illegal.

A. I'm not against legalizing pot. So save it. I'm all for it and don't think it's bad.

Secondly, "Barely illegal" is the dumbest thing I've ever read. It is or it isn't. Right now, it's illegal. And I doubt Honey Badger has a medical condition that requires him to smoke it. And if he did, it sure as hell wouldn't have been the synthetic stuff he got busted for the last time.

And D. The point I was making is that he is breaking the team/school rules AND the law (if in fact it was weed or roids) even if the law is dumb..it's the law (right now).

Sorry, regardless of how stupid I think running stop signs are in a deserted town is...I still do it. And if I get caught running the "stupid" stop sign? Then I have to expect the cop to enforce the law...no matter how absurd.

Complain to your congressman or woman if you have a problem with laws, not the cops and coaches who merely enforce them.