Who will be our 2nd string QB?
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KMac151993
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Evan Sharpley: he has the most time in the system and had a good spring game and from what I have heard a good camp so far.
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Sharpley.
He is a very good athlete and will be the sharpest of the group.
He is a very good athlete and will be the sharpest of the group.
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Sharpley. He will be a good quality back-up for the rest of his career. But next year is the year of JIMMY.
Damn, I was gonna vote for Clausen!
KMac spelled it out. Sharpley's got the edge.
When Powlus came to ND he jumped over upperclassmen McDougal and Failla because he was a proficient dropback QB and Holtz wanted to transition from the option to a more pass oriented offense. Powlus had a superior skill set and experience in that type of offense while the other two had worked for several years in an option environment. Powlus was announced the starting QB but then suffered a season ending injury. Neither Fraser nor Jones have the benefit of a different skill set nor do they step into a transitional offense which could negate the inherent development of upperclassmen.
One of the others may beat Sharpley in the weeks to come but it's not going to be because of his high school clippings. He's going to have to do it on the field and that takes reps. Tough to get enough when you only have to share those reps with one other competitor but this is a 3 way split with one guy experienced in the system and receivers.
Fraser or Jones have to separate themselves so the "#3 guy" can get more reps to challenge for #2.
Jones has an added dimension with his footspeed but he's going to have to win the job with proficiency in the base offense skills: mechanics, reads, utilizing the pocket and the blocking, decision making, and execution in the passing game. If those things come down to a draw with the others then he gets an edge with his footspeed.
KMac spelled it out. Sharpley's got the edge.
When Powlus came to ND he jumped over upperclassmen McDougal and Failla because he was a proficient dropback QB and Holtz wanted to transition from the option to a more pass oriented offense. Powlus had a superior skill set and experience in that type of offense while the other two had worked for several years in an option environment. Powlus was announced the starting QB but then suffered a season ending injury. Neither Fraser nor Jones have the benefit of a different skill set nor do they step into a transitional offense which could negate the inherent development of upperclassmen.
One of the others may beat Sharpley in the weeks to come but it's not going to be because of his high school clippings. He's going to have to do it on the field and that takes reps. Tough to get enough when you only have to share those reps with one other competitor but this is a 3 way split with one guy experienced in the system and receivers.
Fraser or Jones have to separate themselves so the "#3 guy" can get more reps to challenge for #2.
Jones has an added dimension with his footspeed but he's going to have to win the job with proficiency in the base offense skills: mechanics, reads, utilizing the pocket and the blocking, decision making, and execution in the passing game. If those things come down to a draw with the others then he gets an edge with his footspeed.
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BGIF said:
I know you agreed with me but I am going to have to jump on you for misspelling my favorite player's name there, its McDougal. But you are exactally right with your statment.
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Sharpley is a lot better than he gets credit for.
DJ and Frazer need another year to become more refined.
DJ and Frazer need another year to become more refined.
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I fully believe that Frazer will transfer someday.....however that is for a different thread. Sharpley is the #2......he had a real solid spring game.
KMac151993 said:
Guilty!
I actually spelled it correctly then upon reading it before clicking on Submit Reply changed it to Mac because it didn't look right. There's never been a MacDougal that played for ND.
Mea culpa!
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I finally realized why it didn't look right.
I deferred to your spelling. Shame on me twice!
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Demetrius Jones will be the backup this year and the starting quarterback next year. I have no particular reason to believe this, but it seems as likely as any other outcome. Plus, I love Chicago.
Plus, it would be hilarious to see the media sh*t storm if Clausen doesn't win the starting job next year. Go Jones!
Plus, it would be hilarious to see the media sh*t storm if Clausen doesn't win the starting job next year. Go Jones!
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BGIF said:
It's all good it happens time to time.
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Not to be overly direct, here, but to think a freshmen is going to come in and master the play book enough to overcome somebody who has been in the system a year is assinine, I believe. If you look at the backgrounds of these kids, they have had little to no experience with a real playbook like Weis'. Clausen will be another story, but Sharpley, by far, will be the backup...no questions asked.
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I actually think that DJ will transfer next year. Wrong situation for him here.
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You are right on. The Frosh don't know the playbook, plain and simple.
And, if you watch the practice reports, Sharpley is getting the backup snaps. DJ and ZF only got two each.
But Weis is N O T using the same playbook for Brady as Sharpley gets, nor Demi Jones or Zach. He has already said that...... so the argument of that "playbook" is simply crapola. He has said for instance at pats he had Brady plays and the back up had others. (Different QB's so different plays) The argument then gets to in these different plays each of the different QB's get which will emerge most successful. As Weis said this isn't rocket science.
So using a coverall sharpley had the playbook a year is invalid. He does I guess, know Sharpley plays well. Now does Zach and demi J. know theirs well?
So using a coverall sharpley had the playbook a year is invalid. He does I guess, know Sharpley plays well. Now does Zach and demi J. know theirs well?
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I can live with the argument about the playbook PER SE. Except they simply have not had much time to digest ANY playbook.
That being said, they are still not getting snaps. That tells you all you need to know.
He who gets the snaps plays.
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I will say (like many others) that Sharpley will be the back up for this season. I agree that ND will have a QB transfer, probably Frazer or Jones (I'm just not sure which one). If I had my choice of which one I would want to stay I would probably say Jones. Just because, Frazer and Clausen appear to be similar drop-back passer, where Jones is very mobile. I like the thought of a mobile QB who can pass the football. Troy Smith did pretty well against us last season.
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Sharpley, there is no question about this. It is VERY unlikely we see any of the Frosh QB's unless something crazy happens or we are up 40
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When Weis talks about Brady plays versus other QB plays, he is talking about the layers of the playbook. There is the superficial layer which is the basic play, then there is a level of the same play but different formations, then there is the same play different formations, but options for audibles, then there is the same play with allllll of that plus the ability to audible an individual player's route within the play.
There are not different playbooks, just different levels of understanding of the playbook and what each QB is allowed to do with that understanding. My guess is that the two freshmen are at or near ground zero, while Sharpley is getting the jist of the middle ranks of understanding, and Quinn is moving into an NFL understanding of the entire playbook and all of its intricacies and options.
There are not different playbooks, just different levels of understanding of the playbook and what each QB is allowed to do with that understanding. My guess is that the two freshmen are at or near ground zero, while Sharpley is getting the jist of the middle ranks of understanding, and Quinn is moving into an NFL understanding of the entire playbook and all of its intricacies and options.
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There aren't different playbooks, but he utilizes different parts of it. And there are completely different gameplans. Weis is smart enough to taylor his offense to his personnel, not trying to do the opposite and fit square pegs in round holes.
Before Dillon was in NE, he used a short passing game in lieu of a power running game. Kind of like he did with Stovall often this year. Once he got Dillon, he used a lot more power running.
If DJ ultimately proves to be the most ready to play next year and offers the most upside, he'll play. And yes, there probably would be some wrinkles to use his athleticism. Weis is too smart not to.
I can't believe any ND fans already have either of these guys transferring. One may do that one day, but there are no indications. To predict so now is stupid.
Before Dillon was in NE, he used a short passing game in lieu of a power running game. Kind of like he did with Stovall often this year. Once he got Dillon, he used a lot more power running.
If DJ ultimately proves to be the most ready to play next year and offers the most upside, he'll play. And yes, there probably would be some wrinkles to use his athleticism. Weis is too smart not to.
I can't believe any ND fans already have either of these guys transferring. One may do that one day, but there are no indications. To predict so now is stupid.
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It's funny actually.
Honestly, we have had TONS of kids come in that were going to be SUPER-STARS!!! Yet, they fizzled.
To predict a transfer is to predict the intricacies of skill/positions/etc.
My predicion is that Frazier and Jones will each gain about 100 pounds and become OL guys.
It may be crazy, but it's no less accurate than saying one will transfer for sure.
No one would ever have imagined Hoskins transfering when he was recruited, I don't see the point or data that would indicate why Frazier or Jones would transfer.
Jared Clark. Arnaz Battle. Carlyle Holiday. Tony Driver.
More than a couple guys buried at their position who never left and became contributors at another position.
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very good point...athletes are athletes and can be used in many other ways
So is there a freshman playbook, a sophomore playbook, and an upperclassmen playbook?
So do the WRs, RBs, and OLine get issued different playbooks for each year of QB?
So much for being on the same page.
"Sorry Coach, I forgot 44ZPost is a pass in the Brady Book but it's a run in the Jones Book."
The plays are the same, the book is the same.
They may learn sections of the playbook, or individual plays, or series of plays, on a gradual basis but there aren't different books.
More rollouts, waggles, or draws might be called with a mobile QB, or the QB may be given more leeway in deciding to tuck and run on occasion but they'll all work off the same page. There are 10 other guys on the field that depend on that.
Unlike the NFL players don't have 168 in the week to focus on football. The NCAA limits practice time to 20 hours a week. ND limits available time if you want to stay academically eligible.
Regardless of the plays called, the center and QB have to be in sync on the snap, the receivers and the QB have to be in sync on reads and timing, the RBs and QB have to be in sync on handoffs, pass routes, and reading defenses and reacting to the blitz. Those all take snaps. Four guys don't get enough. Ask Joe Montana. Three guys don't get them. Two guys take the snaps with the lion share of 1st team snaps with the 1st team receivers and backs going to the 1st team QB.
At this point QBs #3 and #4 do in effect get another playbook. They get to run the GT offense or whoever is the opponent for the next game as the Scout Team QB.
Good description. And if one guy can absorb more quickly, he get exposed to as much as he can handle as quickly as he can handle it.
So how was practice today, "Dan"?
Psst, if you click on the votes in the tally it lists how people voted.
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LOL busted...
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Niiiiccceee...I wanna give a high five to those guys who voted for Gorski! Hahaha...Good stuff!