WEIS on Rome

[nayers]

I was driving to work, and as i do every morning i listen to Jim Rome...i was estatic when i heard him say he was interviewing our man Jesus Weis, i mean Charlie Weis...and did he tear it up!!! he came out and told it like it is, telling Rome and the listening audience that he would not kiss certain recruits butts to get them to come to school, and that he is about winning, and that's what he is gonna do!

WAR: Coach Weis bringing a National Title back where it belongs

 

[sblxdoc]

he came out and told it like it is, telling Rome and the listening audience that he would not kiss certain recruits butts to get them to come to school, and that he is about winning, and that's what he is gonna do!

thanks for the word out in cali! how refreshing is this from the "mr. mcfriendly" days of davie and willingham. those guys motto was "its not about winning, but that the kids have fun". give me a break! just like knute used to say...

Show me a good and gracious loser and I'll show you a failure.
Knute Rockne

 

[bmf175]

[QOUTE=Show me a good and gracious loser and I'll show you a failure.
Knute Rockne[/QUOTE]


Very well put. Everybody that supports Ty said he was a classy winner, and he looked "old school". Thats a bunch of B.S.

 

[Rip Rap]

Who said Ty looked 'old school'? When I read about Ole' Timey football, Pop Warner, Alonzo Stagg, Fielding Yost, Walter Camp, and-yes-Knute Rockne were all filthy.

Though Pop Warner took being filthy to a different level.

 

[irishgo8]

Who said Ty looked 'old school'? When I read about Ole' Timey football, Pop Warner, Alonzo Stagg, Fielding Yost, Walter Camp, and-yes-Knute Rockne were all filthy.

Though Pop Warner took being filthy to a different level.

You cant say ROCK is filthy. He wasnt filthy but he wasnt nicey nicey either.

 

[Rip Rap]

Back then most top coaches played pro players on their rosters, or even non-students, hired refs, and paid no attention to academic 'eligibility,' which was largely irrelevant. Pop Warner was genuinely vicious, the east-coast All-American lists of Walter Camp were flagrantly biased toward Yale and his opponents, Fielding Yost hated Catholics, etc.

ND was fairly clean because the priests wouldn't go for a lot of that stuff and because the athletic lineage of Jesse Harper/Knute Rockne extended from the impeccable Alonzo Stagg and the University of Chicago. But Rockne still paid many of the coaches and reporters directly (which, again, was typical in that era).

 

[weisfaninmass]

What is so ironic is that when the "Urban legend" rejected ND, Urban was in the news daily - non-stop. Most people didn't even know who C-Dub was. Since mid December, C-Dub has owned the media for the last 45 days -- more than any Irish coach I've seen since Ara.

Urban must be quietly burning with all the press C-Dub is getting.

 

[nayers]

solid point...it's true, i never knew of Charlie, until his name came up. But now you cant go to any reliable sporting news source without hearing his name...Urban got his 15 minutes of fame, now it's over

 

[BigIrish]

What is so ironic is that when the "Urban legend" rejected ND, Urban was in the news daily - non-stop. Most people didn't even know who C-Dub was. Since mid December, C-Dub has owned the media for the last 45 days -- more than any Irish coach I've seen since Ara.

Urban must be quietly burning with all the press C-Dub is getting.

good point. it probably has something to do with the fact that while charlie weis was guiding the patriots to a super bowl victory last weekend, urban was stuck in a lazy boy in front of the tv wearing sweat pants, eating cheetos and WATCHING charlie do his thing.

 

[guff]

Urban's coaching 'greatness' is do in large part a gimmick offense competing against sub-par competition. It may take a year, but once the coaches at the SEC figure out how to defend and defeat the spread option Urban will look very average.

Weis’ offensive philosophy is simple - attack the opponent’s weakness and play sound fundamental football. The Pats didn’t miss blocks, were rarely penalized, and limited turnovers.

If Weis can make that happen ND will again be feared.

 

[jiggafini19]

I think we must now make it a point to avoid speaking about Ty and Urban. They are in the rearview mirror. Who cares about them?

Weis is doing and saying all the right things. I can see this as being a "good cop, bad cop" type of staff. Weis will not be anyone's buddy. He'll leave that to the assistants. What he is going to bring to the table is winning. And he can prepare these guys for the next step...THE LEAGUE.

 

[Batch]

Audio of the interview located here!!

http://www.jimrome.com/home/article/article.html

Batch

 

[Rip Rap]

Urban's coaching 'greatness' is do in large part a gimmick offense competing against sub-par competition. It may take a year, but once the coaches at the SEC figure out how to defend and defeat the spread option Urban will look very average.

Building off my earlier conversation, there was a day-and-age when using the 'forward pass' was a gimmick offense of Jesse Harper's. When using 'backfield motion' was a gimmick offense of Knute Rockne's. When using 'screen passes' was a gimmick offense of Pop Warner's. Etc.

There is a first time for everything, and Urban Meyer's offense may be the future. Or it may be exposed as idiotic. But I wouldn't dismiss it until its future is certain.

 

[Vince Young]

I think we must now make it a point to avoid speaking about Ty and Urban. They are in the rearview mirror. Who cares about them?

I saw you standing in my headlights...
(Blink, blink, blink...)
I thought I'd run you down for the pain you left on me.

Instead I pushed rewind, reversed and drove away.
And seeing you disappear in my rear-view
Brought to mind the word "reciprocity."

-Incubus, "Circles"

 

[irishgo8]

Urban's coaching 'greatness' is do in large part a gimmick offense competing against sub-par competition. It may take a year, but once the coaches at the SEC figure out how to defend and defeat the spread option Urban will look very average.

Guff,

Its funny to see how every one two months ago was praising Urban Meyer and saying he's the next Knute Rockne. Now youre saying he will be no good. Make up your mind. lol.

 

[BigIrish]

Audio of the interview located here!!

http://www.jimrome.com/home/article/article.html

Batch

i would assume that rome's post meant to say "i am NOW convinced..."


...Because Bill Belichik prevents his assistants from doing much talking, I really had no idea about the kind of person Charlie Weis was. I am not convinced that he is a likeable man with character who is a damn good football coach.

 

[Batch]

Yeah I caught that last line and actually sent Rome an email to clarify...unfortunately I cant check my hotmail account here at work.

-Batch

 

[jiggafini19]

I saw you standing in my headlights...
(Blink, blink, blink...)
I thought I'd run you down for the pain you left on me.

Instead I pushed rewind, reversed and drove away.
And seeing you disappear in my rear-view
Brought to mind the word "reciprocity."

-Incubus, "Circles"

Nice work V-Young.

"Pardon me while I burst...into flames."

 

[Aerosmith777]

Found this on chicagotribune.com. This is why we keep talking about Ty, b/c the media still keeps kissing his 2 months later....









Fred Mitchell
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AROUND TOWN
Willingham enjoying the view at new job

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February 10, 2005


The view from Tyrone Willingham's new football office at the University of Washington is breathtaking.

"I'm looking out at Lake Washington right now, and most days I can see the mountains," Willingham said by phone. "It's unbelievable."




Willingham's view of his former employer, the University of Notre Dame, is not so picturesque. Asked to deliver a message to the administration that unceremoniously fired him after three years of a five-year contract, Willingham measured his words, then responded: "I wouldn't have one for them. I will let them grapple with those things."

If you have had an opportunity to get to know the understated Willingham as I did when I wrote a book ("The Meaning of Victory") about him two years ago, those succinct comments are practically tantamount to ripping Notre Dame for its unprecedented act of terminating a head football coach before his contract had expired.

Willingham added he was "not bitter" about his time at Notre Dame, where he had a 23-15 record. "Those are the things that happen," he said, offering his first extensive comments since his dismissal.

Willingham received several death threats during his brief stint in South Bend. The move to Seattle could work out well for his entire family—wife Kim, daughters Cassidy and Kelsey and son Nathaniel.

"I'm doing well, and my family is doing well," he said. "A change of location is not easy."

Willingham's Huskies happen to play host to Notre Dame this fall at Husky Stadium. An opportunity for vindication?

"I have been told that game is Sept. 24," Willingham said in a coach's typical play-one-game-at-a-time vernacular. "The most important game is Air Force (the season opener). If you're thinking [beyond that], you haven't been coaching long. That [Notre Dame] week will take care of itself."

Willingham said he has met his successor, Charlie Weis, who was offensive coordinator of the Super Bowl champion New England Patriots.

"Congratulations to him and the other New England coaches because they won the Super Bowl three out of the last four years," he said. "He's a graduate of the University of Notre Dame, and he has an understanding of the program."

 

[jiggafini19]

No one cried tears like this for Bob Davie.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

Urban's coaching 'greatness' is do in large part a gimmick offense competing against sub-par competition. It may take a year, but once the coaches at the SEC figure out how to defend and defeat the spread option Urban will look very average.

I hope you're right, but I thinnk that this gimmick offence of Urban's will have success if he can land the local kids in his own backyard...so much talent in Florida. With that said, I wish him nothing but the worst.

 

[Aerosmith777]

No one cried tears like this for Bob Davie.

At least Davie got his 5 years, which I guess is the excuse any hack write would give you for not caring about Davie but caring about Willingham.

What I want to know is, where were all the tears for Ron Zook who didn't even get a full 3 years before he was shown the door? (and was far more successful than Willingham in that time period)

 

[Aerosmith777]

Urban's coaching 'greatness' is do in large part a gimmick offense competing against sub-par competition. It may take a year, but once the coaches at the SEC figure out how to defend and defeat the spread option Urban will look very average.

I hope you're right, but I thinnk that this gimmick offence of Urban's will have success if he can land the local kids in his own backyard...so much talent in Florida. With that said, I wish him nothing but the worst.

yeah, unfortunately I'd call Spurrier's offense a gimmick offense too, but that seemed to work just fine in the SEC. chances are Meyer will be successful. Anyone can recruit at Florida. I just hope he makes the same mistake spurrier did and in 3 or 4 years decides to run to the NFL and get clobbered for 2 years before he has to come back to college w/ his tail between his legs.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

No one cried tears like this for Bob Davie.

Well I never liked Bob Davie as much as I liked Ty. Of course I don't care for Ty at all now either.

 

[jiggafini19]

Well I never liked Bob Davie as much as I liked Ty. Of course I don't care for Ty at all now either.

Davie was in way over his head. He never should have been given that job. Holtz endorsed him, though. That puzzles me.

 

[Rip Rap]

Davie is obnoxious because he insists on claiming that he is a good coach, yet refuses to seriously look for another job to prove us all wrong. His comments on ND are questionable, at best. Unlike Gerry Faust, who parlayed his time at ND into a successful career as an inept but loving coach, Davie just spouts on about ND's demise as the result of scheduling. He made excuses then, he makes excuses now.

I doubt Ty will ever go that route. The media will continue to defend him for him. I will say this: Everybody that said his firing was unfair better have their eyes glued to every single game that man coaches for the rest of his career. Until he cracks .600, he will be in the bottom echelon of coaching, much less the middle tier. But ESPN said he will have better players at Washington, so there is no excuse for anything less than a regular appearance at the Rose Bowl for college football's greatest coach ever.

I think Urban Meyer will be in trouble if he can't win more games than Zook, who only got 2 1/2 years. If they give Meyer more, that will show their bias against people who have names starting in 'Z.' And Meyer plays an SEC East schedule that includes Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vandy, and Kentucky; as well as FSU and Miami; every season. Throw in the potential cross-divisional games with LSU, Auburn, or 'Bama; and Meyer is in for one hell of a schedule. To me, that sounds worse than anything ND has ever put together.

You watch: The media will release articles for the next three years regarding Weis' supposed 3-year time-limit, and their standard will be a BCS victory (not his winning percentage, because they will claim Ty was a proven winner at 0.583). Not a peep will be made regarding Meyer's supposed 2 1/2 year time-limit.

 

[sblxdoc]

Willingham received several death threats during his brief stint in South Bend.

did not know this. but just to add to this, growing up in south bend i lived in the same neighborhood that all the nd coaches live in. used to see lou golfing in his little nd golf cart. seen davie jogging, and always tried to run him over. even went to lou's house on halloween to see if he would answer the door. unfortunately his wife did. anyway, one of the funniest damn things i ever saw was at the time when everybody wanted to "aust the faust". we drove by his house one day and there was at least 15 "for sale" signs in his front yard. it was so classic.

 

[weisfaninmass]

RIP you make great points regarding Ty (classy guy with suspect coaching abilities). I would like to add that the PAC 12 STUNK when Ty was at Stanford. Oregon State and Washington were two of the better programs and he never won against Wash. USC and CAL were terrible. The PAC 12 has re-emerged as a powerhouse......I am not sure that Ty will get it done at Washington bc the level of competition is so much more difficult than 5+ years ago.

 

[bmf175]

Davie is obnoxious because he insists on claiming that he is a good coach, yet refuses to seriously look for another job to prove us all wrong. His comments on ND are questionable, at best. Unlike Gerry Faust, who parlayed his time at ND into a successful career as an inept but loving coach, Davie just spouts on about ND's demise as the result of scheduling. He made excuses then, he makes excuses now.

I doubt Ty will ever go that route. The media will continue to defend him for him. I will say this: Everybody that said his firing was unfair better have their eyes glued to every single game that man coaches for the rest of his career. Until he cracks .600, he will be in the bottom echelon of coaching, much less the middle tier. But ESPN said he will have better players at Washington, so there is no excuse for anything less than a regular appearance at the Rose Bowl for college football's greatest coach ever.

I think Urban Meyer will be in trouble if he can't win more games than Zook, who only got 2 1/2 years. If they give Meyer more, that will show their bias against people who have names starting in 'Z.' And Meyer plays an SEC East schedule that includes Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vandy, and Kentucky; as well as FSU and Miami; every season. Throw in the potential cross-divisional games with LSU, Auburn, or 'Bama; and Meyer is in for one hell of a schedule. To me, that sounds worse than anything ND has ever put together.

You watch: The media will release articles for the next three years regarding Weis' supposed 3-year time-limit, and their standard will be a BCS victory (not his winning percentage, because they will claim Ty was a proven winner at 0.583). Not a peep will be made regarding Meyer's supposed 2 1/2 year time-limit.

Well said.

 

[guff]

Guff,

Its funny to see how every one two months ago was praising Urban Meyer and saying he's the next Knute Rockne. Now youre saying he will be no good. Make up your mind. lol.

To clear the record I was on the fence about the Ty firing. I felt the ND may have jumped the gun just to go after the hot commodity. I remember hearing Theisman on the Dan Patrick Show a day or two after the firing - Theisman was cautioning against Urban and was the first person I heard mention Weis. I found myself agreeing with him.

Now for some clarity on the gimmick. There are only two ways to make a lasting change in football 1. that change must be done in the NFL and work or 2. the change must be adopted by the NFL and work. All of previous innovations - forward pass, screen, motion etc. - were done in the absence of a premier pro league. Now the NFL is king and if it’s not good enough for the king then it dies. The ‘West Coast Offense’ and ‘Zone Blitz’ trickled down from the NFL. If in the coming years an NFL team implements the spread option, I’ll eat the appropriate the amount of crow

But that will never happen. No one in the NFL will even consider the spread option. If a coach did - to quote Jerry Glanville - NFL would stand for ‘Not For Long’ . The QB would get hammered. The team would need to carry six QBs just to complete the season.

How many non military academy D1 schools are running a traditional option? And of that number how many were successful. High school players want to believe that they can make it to the NFL and they know they can’t get there running the option. The option died with Tom Osbourne. And when Alex Smith, Chris Leak and those to follow tank in the NFL because they can’t simultaneously drop back and read a defense the spread option will die.