Urban at ND?

[ShivaIrish]

Not that I would necessarily take him or want him over Weis, but how well do you guys think Urban would have done these past two years if he had decided to take the ND coaching gig? I know at least some people on this site (unless they have since left) were excited at one point about the possibility of getting him.

Of course, perhaps one of the difficulities in thinking about this is considering what kind of coaching staff Urbey would have brought with him.

 

[njuneardave]

i'd still rather have Weis. i like the pro-style system that we have... no spread-option gimmicky offense. i think that meyer's squad played a heck of a game yesterday, but i'd still rather take Weis's standards and system any day.

 

[sblxdoc]

Its hard to say, but I would bet he would have done slightly worse then Weis. The offense is based around the QB and Weis's offense better suits the type of player that Quinn was. The defense would probably have been better. I don't think Urban would be able to recruit as well as Weis at Notre Dame. When your an alumnus, your passion to sell Notre Dame is elevated. Urban would not have this same type of passion.

 

[ShivaIrish]

i'd still rather have Weis. i like the pro-style system that we have... no spread-option gimmicky offense. i think that meyer's squad played a heck of a game yesterday, but i'd still rather take Weis's standards and system any day.

I agree about still wanting Weis over Urban, but how well would Urban have done?

 

[grantland]

All I am going to say (Weis would NEVER say this) Urban is loaded (talent wise) at UF and things ain't gonna change any time soon. Remember, Zook is (was) a fine recruiter.

I'll tell you one thing, I can't imagine that Charlie Strong won't have a head position sometime soon.

 

[sonomairishfan]

I agree about still wanting Weis over Urban, but how well would Urban have done?

his offense wouldn't work here. with the talent we have they aren't made for the quick hits and gimick stuff meyer does. our WR aren't athletic enough as a whole.

plus i just think that offense is really boring and a fad. i like tough football.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

All I am going to say (Weis would NEVER say this) Urban is loaded (talent wise) at UF and things ain't gonna change any time soon. Remember, Zook is (was) a fine recruiter.

I'll tell you one thing, I can't imagine that Charlie Strong won't have a head position sometime soon.

That's pretty much the best summary around. UF has tons of talent AND Meyer has done an AMAZING JOB recruiting there. He is bringing in top3 classes...

They might be the next USC.

 

[BleedinOrange]

That's pretty much the best summary around. UF has tons of talent AND Meyer has done an AMAZING JOB recruiting there. He is bringing in top3 classes...

They might be the next USC.

You are correct he doing a fine job recruiting. Urban is an offensive minded coach just like CW. I think Notre Dame biggest problem is their defense so I am not sure UM would be able to help with that. Notre Dame was able to score points when they needed too and it's hard when they get down a few scores and the defense knows you have to pass every down. When you are one dimensional because your defense gives up so many points its alot easier to scheme against you.

 

[njuneardave]

lol. i just laughed at the thought of brady running the spread option.

 

[BleedinOrange]

lol. i just laughed at the thought of brady running the spread option.

Brady's very athletic, do you think he would do a comparable job to Alex Smith, I'll argue that he is better than Alex Smith and he seemed to do very well with the spread option.

 

[FleaFlicker]

I'm still glad we have Weis'. I think it will be better for us in the long haul, but Meyer has more CFB head coaching experience under his belt.

And yes, obviously the guy has more talent than ND has, that is without question. Solve this equation for me. Who is a better recruiter...?

Zook vs. Willingham.... enough said?

Also, think of how many coached as of late have won NC's in their frist year of taking over a storied program..... I'm thinking of Frank Solich and Larry Coker. I think Meyer had established he can be a better HC than those two did before they took on the job. But sometimes a new coach just fires up a team to perform better, and sometimes that wears off the next year...

Much like how ND played inspired FB last year, and the inspiration dropped off a bit this year...

 

[weisbankaccount]

Urban Meyers record in big games is off the charts good. That being said, the reason he went with Florida over ND was because at the time ND was in complete disarray and Florida had the table pretty much set for him.

I dont think he fares much different than Weis. The only thing I can maybe see is that Urban wouldve thrown in tons of things to offset mismatches in the games where ND was athletically inferior - much like Lou Holtz had the insight to do vs Florida in the last sugar Bowl we went to.

No way to really know either way. I wasnt a fan of Meyers campaigning for the BCS game but it turned out he was very much right about the whole thing.

 

[Senoj13]

There is also a stigma out there against Urban that he may not be the coach that most think he is. I am not offering an opinion one way or the other, but if you look at his last 3 stops, he inherited very good teams that had loads of talent. He has never been at a program where he has had to prove that he can win with "his" recruits.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

There is also a stigma out there against Urban that he may not be the coach that most think he is. I am not offering an opinion one way or the other, but if you look at his last 3 stops, he inherited very good teams that had loads of talent. He has never been at a program where he has had to prove that he can win with "his" recruits.

he really needs to stay 5 years before that assessment can be made well...but he's off to a good start.

 

[weisbankaccount]

he really needs to stay 5 years before that assessment can be made well...but he's off to a good start.

It doesnt really matter anymore - he and the ole ball coach are forever heros to the gator nation. After what he pulled off this year, he has at least a 5 year grace period.

 

[njuneardave]

Brady's very athletic, do you think he would do a comparable job to Alex Smith, I'll argue that he is better than Alex Smith and he seemed to do very well with the spread option.

yeah, you are right, Brady is very athletic. But he is built for a pro style offense. i think he would be more successful in a pro style offense just like Leak wouldve been more successful in a pro style while still being athletic enough to run the spread option effectively.

 

[solo]

Is there any questuon that urban made the right decision? Here he is winning it all in his
2nd season with really a stacked eck for next year too.

How would he have done at ND? That's hard to say. We certainly don't have Florida's talent. I don't know that his offense would have been as successful here as it is at Florida.

I was one of the Big Urban Meyer fans. I was disappointed when he turned us down and skeptical about the Weis hire. That said, Weis has mostly won me over. I think he is doing a good job, though he still has much more to prove.

 

[marv81s]

i could care less, he did a great job getting Florida ready for that game last night. Just an awsome job, he was focused and that team was focused, I don't think anybody would have beaten Florida last night.

That said, I am still glad that Urban didn't come to ND, I hate the spread option offense and he defiantely wouldn't have won a title in 2 years here, and he knows that. Like it has been said before, he went to the school that had the better situation and the better talent on hand, they just needed a coach that knows what the hell to do with it.

I also don't like the way Urban goes about recruiting and treats some of these recruits, but maybe I should like that, that is how we ended up with Williams.

 

[rontdtarchala]

It wouldn't have been any different maybe even worse...here's what has yet to be said...look at the defense CW inherited and compare it to the D that urban inherited....offense can loose you the game but defense wins the game....we have no defense gentlemen that is the most important factor

 

[leprechaun4life]

We would have sucked. Urban runs, for the most part, the spread option. In order for his offense to work, a team needs speed, and lots of it. ND, it is safe to say, does not have speed. BEsides, I thought Ty was hired to get away from the option.

 

[Newc]

I can't see how Urban would have done that much better than Charlie. The speed that Florida showed on the field against OSU was pretty amazing, thats something a coach has really no control over when entering a program. I think our offense played solid fundamental football this year and the stress of a poor defense really showed in the big games that we lost. Its hard to do anything but try to throw the ball down the field when your defense continuously lets up points. It makes your offense into pretty much a one dimensional force and can be defended much more easily. I keep having to remind myself of those years in which ND struggled to make it to the lower level bowls so that I don't get too dissapointed with the past two years, high expectations really do make for a long fall, but I remain optimistic about the coming years. Charlie is an incredible coach, I just think that too many of us got carried away wanting a national championship while forgetting about how weak our defense was. Notre Dame will return to glory though and I can legitimately see Charlie creating a dynasty here much like the one at New England, I mean seriously, who wouldn't want to play for Notre Dame when they start to dominate again??

 

[onenybrother]

Let's not forget Meyer recruited Percy Harvin. Who was the top player in the nation, why because speed guys love that (gimmicky) offense. I would love to know what the Alumni who wanted Meyer are saying?

 

[donjuan]

I will say this. I went to the University of Toledo (Bowling Green's rival) and saw a lousy BG team get coached up. Now I don't excatly like Urban the man, but I will say that he is a pretty damn good coach. Yeah he has a lot of inherited talent at Florida. But what about Utah? Or BG? His play calling last night was very fresh and exciting. We saw him run reverse sweeps all night then flip it to a slot back back for a double. Perfectly set up. Now I also believe we have the better coach. He sets up plays just as well; (Air Force, 2005) for example. So, Urby is a good coach (which is why ND went after him in the first place) and it was nice to watch OSU get crushed in a bowl game. Just some sporadic Urban mayer reflections. -Don

 

[ShivaIrish]

Let's not forget Meyer recruited Percy Harvin. Who was the top player in the nation, why because speed guys love that (gimmicky) offense. I would love to know what the Alumni who wanted Meyer are saying?

That's a good point, and it leads into another question: would Meyer have recruited better at ND, up to this point, than Weis has?

 

[FleaFlicker]

That's a good point, and it leads into another question: would Meyer have recruited better at ND, up to this point, than Weis has?

Hard to say, but no way does Meyer get guys like Claussen. Weis will be the best coach there is for recruiting high profile QB's, Receivers and TE's. No question in my mind about that. If that receiver from DC would have come to ND like everyone thought, our WR, TE, and QB for this year would be flat out sick in every sense of the word. Would have had the No.1 QB in the last few years, No.1 TE AND the No.1 WR.

 

[marv81s]

That's a good point, and it leads into another question: would Meyer have recruited better at ND, up to this point, than Weis has?

My personal opinion, nope.

Florida University practically recruits itself almost better than ND's history does, but I think a large majority of kids don't know all that much about ND's history. And you throw in the scenery at Fla (if you know what I mean), along with its social life and the weather. He has more to work with down there in Florida. Ty showed that you just can't rely on ND's image and history to get recruits.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

My personal opinion, nope.

Florida University practically recruits itself almost better than ND's history does, but I think a large majority of kids don't know all that much about ND's history. And you throw in the scenery at Fla (if you know what I mean), along with its social life and the weather. He has more to work with down there in Florida. Ty showed that you just can't rely on ND's image and history to get recruits.

Let's also not forget that it is a bit harder to recruit at ND. Academic requirements are tougher, etc. I hate to harp on it, but I just saw the Comcast.net wrap up. They interviewed 2-3 of the Florida guys. I had to rewind the video once or twice to understand them...they were not speaking English as such.

Hell, I have met illegal immigrants from Guatemala who spoke better English.

A number of these kids would not get into ND. Many would, but not all...

 

[Irishkid23]

Not that I would necessarily take him or want him over Weis, but how well do you guys think Urban would have done these past two years if he had decided to take the ND coaching gig? I know at least some people on this site (unless they have since left) were excited at one point about the possibility of getting him.

Of course, perhaps one of the difficulities in thinking about this is considering what kind of coaching staff Urbey would have brought with him.

He still wouldn't have the players, no matter what staff he brought! CW will get the players and a new DC.

 

[solo]

Let's also not forget that it is a bit harder to recruit at ND. Academic requirements are tougher, etc. I hate to harp on it, but I just saw the Comcast.net wrap up. They interviewed 2-3 of the Florida guys. I had to rewind the video once or twice to understand them...they were not speaking English as such.

Hell, I have met illegal immigrants from Guatemala who spoke better English.

A number of these kids would not get into ND. Many would, but not all...

I don't believe this to be the case quite so much with this coaching regime as regimes past. Weis is going after everyone. I personally believe that they have relaxed admissions for him. He is being set up to succeed so that we can have another golden era of ND football. It's been far too long...