Trump Presidency Round 2

[GATTACA!]

CNN talking points, confirmed.

Loving the respect we show each other due to disagreements in how the country is run. Nobody is changing anyone's mind here-not happening. People come on here, rant and leave. It is actually somewhat hilarious. This comment is not related to this post.

Straight out of the Gladiator “I have no counterpoint to any of this” playbook.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'll respond to this.
I'm more wealthy today than I have ever been, the S&P 500, Nasdaq, and Bitcoin, etc. are through the roof. If people aren't smart enough to invest, instead of buying garbage, we could all share In the wealth created by Trumps policies.
It is a wait and see what happens with the tarriffs. I would be remiss If I said I know what the future holds. When Powell Is able to lower Intersest rates, we'll all see better times in our portfolio.


Trump has talked about getting rid of the IRS. The country runs on us small guys with small businesses. He's not going to destroy the heart of Maga country. Let's see what happens after the mid-terms. That's when he can put his real plan in place. Until then, It's politics to keep a majority.

 

[Fbolt]

No counterpoint or defense of any point was made. Merely offering my insight on your post with a follow-on ref the worthlessness of arguing in this thread. So, to conclude, you arguing with me over nothing is, well, nothing. Certainly nothing to me.

 

[GATTACA!]

No counterpoint or defense of any point was made. Merely offering my insight on your post with a follow-on ref the worthlessness of arguing in this thread. So, to conclude, you arguing with me over nothing is, well, nothing. Certainly nothing to me.

Calling everything I said "CNN talking points" is an attempt to dismiss everything I said.

 

[Gladiator]

God forbid you support a pedophile that is protecting the biggest child sex trafficking ring in history. He moved Maxwell to a cushy country club prison and will be pardoning her on his way out the door to buy her silence.

God forbid you support a crook that exploded our national debt for a second time, to give his 1% friends tax breaks, after complaining about government waste fraud and abuse for years.

God forbid you support someone that tried to overturn a free and fair election through violence.

God forbid you support someone that is selling presidential pardons to the highest bidder.

God forbid you support a president that's deploying federal forces under false pretenses to US cities that oppose him.

Yes, God forbid all of those things.

I can defend all of these points. I won't. I will point out this. Nancy Pelosi told the Sergeant At Arms to deny all NG troop help. We already know Trump told the protestors to peacefully protest. But yet again, you want the conspiracy side of Trump.

 

[Fbolt]

Great insight, although not entirely correct. Regardless, why would you care what I say? Sure, I disagree but if you're trying to convince me I'd need more. And your tone is such that you are entirely too emotional. I noted something, I said something.

 

[GATTACA!]

Great insight, although not entirely correct. Regardless, why would you care what I say? Sure, I disagree but if you're trying to convince me I'd need more. And your tone is such that you are entirely too emotional. I noted something, I said something.

So you butt in to disparage what I wrote without actually addressing any of it. Then ask why I would want you to actually respond to what I wrote? Makes sense. Seems like you're wasting both of our times.

 

[Gladiator]

I find this situation to be a friendly disagreement. I have no anamosity towards anyone that has the idiocy to defend the left after years of terrible decisions and corruption. The right wants war every time they have power. Maga wants what It means.
It's interesting to read what the other side thinks about the matter.
I didn't tell everyone I knew how bad the Biden presidency was at that time, because It was pointless. Riding a bike after falling every time I tried Is embarrasing. Trump knows not to ride bikes, and I like that. He knows that going to the beach would only attract creeps to the First Lady. Eating Ice cream Is worse than eating McDonalds for the elderly.
So many great talking points.
In the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along".

 

[TorontoGold]

CNN talking points, confirmed.

Loving the respect we show each other due to disagreements in how the country is run. Nobody is changing anyone's mind here-not happening. People come on here, rant and leave. It is actually somewhat hilarious. This comment is not related to this post.

Weren’t you upset at the name calling and general tone of people? But then just take a random pot shot at a poster who’s never been disrespectful to you?

 

[Fbolt]

A random pot shot? I made reference to what he posted. It's in large part a regurgitation of CNN Talking Points. That is all I said. He doesn't have to agree and neither do you. You could all agree as well. Merely my POV.


Everyone wants to argue. I think we should have a good old Anchorman brawl and just be done with it.

 

[Gladiator]

A random pot shot? I made reference to what he posted. It's in large part a regurgitation of CNN Talking Points. That is all I said. He doesn't have to agree and neither do you. You could all agree as well. Merely my POV.


Everyone wants to argue. I think we should have a good old Anchorman brawl and just be done with it.

The post had nothing to do with any of your previous posts. It was a joke. Maybe not that obvious.
I'm not sure which side of the isle you stand on. Irregardless of the post

 

[Fbolt]

I wasn't responding to your post kind sir.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[Irish#1]

Why would they? Would you have believed it? If Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said "Donald Trump had sex with minors" would you believe them? You had no issue with Trump and the civil case with sexual abuse, why would you then change your opinion because Joe Biden told you to?

Your point about Obama is interesting, is Obama supposed to override the ruling in Florida and take that and put it into the public to what, shame Donald Trump? I agree, Obama should have done more to find out why Acosta gave Epstein that sweetheart deal. That Acosta fellow went on to find himself working for Donald Trump which is quite interesting!

This is all to say - you have in front of you all the public information of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein's ties together, and yet, what would push it over the top is if it was leaked by the DOJ under Obama or Biden? Please, you wouldn't trust Biden if he said the sky is blue. The rationalization that some have for supporting a Jeffery Epstein associate is bizarre, somebody that was buddies with a guy who rapes kids should be a turn off. I guess when you're so in the bag for a guy who said he would bang his daughter if she had a different name, you can't really back out now.

That's no defense. Whether I or you would have believed what they released isn't the point. They have no idea I even exist, so why not release it? It appears you're only okay with this if it comes out under Trump's watch? That speaks volumes. So funny that I and many others on the other side of the fence agree that Trump should rot in hell if it's found to be true, but you and your thumbs up buddies still want to argue about it.

You're like my wife. We agree on where we're going when we get in the car, but she doesn't like the route I'm taking even though it will get us there in the same amount of time.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

That's no defense. Whether I or you would have believed what they released isn't the point. They have no idea I even exist, so why not release it? It appears you're only okay with this if it comes out under Trump's watch? That speaks volumes. So funny that I and many others on the other side of the fence agree that Trump should rot in hell if it's found to be true, but you and your thumbs up buddies still want to argue about it.

You're like my wife. We agree on where we're going when we get in the car, but she doesn't like the route I'm taking even though it will get us there in the same amount of time.

The Dems fabricated Trump-Russia to deter him from the White House. They look at him and talk about him like he's the devil incarnate.

If Trump is/ was implicated in the Epstein shit, Dems would've released the docs in 2024 to ruin his chances of a return to the white house.

 

[TorontoGold]

That's no defense. Whether I or you would have believed what they released isn't the point. They have no idea I even exist, so why not release it? It appears you're only okay with this if it comes out under Trump's watch? That speaks volumes. So funny that I and many others on the other side of the fence agree that Trump should rot in hell if it's found to be true, but you and your thumbs up buddies still want to argue about it.

You're like my wife. We agree on where we're going when we get in the car, but she doesn't like the route I'm taking even though it will get us there in the same amount of time.

Of course that's the point - what you're asking is why didn't Obama/Biden leak something for political purposes. The point of that would be to convince Trump supporters that he was a pedophile in the public arena. You believe yourself to be a Republican, yes? So, if they can't convince you why would they leak it? Now, imagine the diehard true believers - you think they'd believe it if Joe Biden in 2023 walked up to a podium and said "Uhhhh listen uhhhhhhh jack uhhhhhhh that uhhhhh Trump guy uhhhhhhh was friends with...........Epstein?" Come on, be serious.

You guys didn't believe Trump was a sexual predator when he was found liable for sexual abuse. But now, it's very important that Obama or Biden tells you that Donald Trump was friends with Epstein. You guys believe that all litigation against him is politically motivated, and that *this* time you'll believe it and if comes from Obama or Biden it makes it official lol.

Why would anyone believe you guys, we've already seen the built in excuses, but NOW you'll listen to only Obama and Biden. Can't make this up lol.

Just say you don't care about it and move on.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Of course that's the point - what you're asking is why didn't Obama/Biden leak something for political purposes. The point of that would be to convince Trump supporters that he was a pedophile in the public arena. You believe yourself to be a Republican, yes? So, if they can't convince you why would they leak it? Now, imagine the diehard true believers - you think they'd believe it if Joe Biden in 2023 walked up to a podium and said "Uhhhh listen uhhhhhhh jack uhhhhhhh that uhhhhh Trump guy uhhhhhhh was friends with...........Epstein?" Come on, be serious.

You guys didn't believe Trump was a sexual predator when he was found liable for sexual abuse. But now, it's very important that Obama or Biden tells you that Donald Trump was friends with Epstein. You guys believe that all litigation against him is politically motivated, and that *this* time you'll believe it and if comes from Obama or Biden it makes it official lol.

Why would anyone believe you guys, we've already seen the built in excuses, but NOW you'll listen to only Obama and Biden. Can't make this up lol.

Just say you don't care about it and move on.

They're all Dave in this skit, just replace Michael Jackson/R. Kelly with Donald Trump

 

[NDVirginia19]

I think the very obvious answer as to why this information has not been released publicly is that Epstein was either A) working in concert with our intelligence community or B) working in concert with a foreign intelligence community to gain leverage on high-profile individuals. There's pretty good reason why everybody's tune changes as soon as they get the full information on it and why neither party will release the information on it. This is an agnostic take as to whether or not a specific individual is actually implicated to some extent on the involvement with Epstein (and I think it's pretty likely to some extent that there's some level of dirt on Trump but not a slam dunk hard evidence of his wrongdoing).

 

[Irish#1]

Of course that's the point - what you're asking is why didn't Obama/Biden leak something for political purposes. The point of that would be to convince Trump supporters that he was a pedophile in the public arena. You believe yourself to be a Republican, yes? So, if they can't convince you why would they leak it? Now, imagine the diehard true believers - you think they'd believe it if Joe Biden in 2023 walked up to a podium and said "Uhhhh listen uhhhhhhh jack uhhhhhhh that uhhhhh Trump guy uhhhhhhh was friends with...........Epstein?" Come on, be serious.

You guys didn't believe Trump was a sexual predator when he was found liable for sexual abuse. But now, it's very important that Obama or Biden tells you that Donald Trump was friends with Epstein. You guys believe that all litigation against him is politically motivated, and that *this* time you'll believe it and if comes from Obama or Biden it makes it official lol.

Why would anyone believe you guys, we've already seen the built in excuses, but NOW you'll listen to only Obama and Biden. Can't make this up lol.

Just say you don't care about it and move on.

If you read the news, you'll see quite a bit of it was politically motivated.

2016
#1 Okay guys. We've got the goods on Trump. It's time to release it so he plummets in the polls.
#2 No, lets wait. There's no way he'll get elected.
#1 You sure? Why take a chance?
#2 Trust me.
#1 What happened?
#2 Beats me.

2025
#1 Okay guys. We've still got the goods on Trump. It's time to release it so he plummets in the polls.
#2 No, lets wait. There's no way he'll get elected. Harris is killing it,
#1 You sure? Why take a chance? Remember 2016?
#2 Trust me. Harris has this locked up.
#1 What happened?
#2 Beats me.

2026
#1 I demand the facts get released now.
#2 I demand the facts get released now.

 

[TorontoGold]

If you read the news, you'll see quite a bit of it was politically motivated.

2016
#1 Okay guys. We've got the goods on Trump. It's time to release it so he plummets in the polls.
#2 No, lets wait. There's no way he'll get elected.
#1 You sure? Why take a chance?
#2 Trust me.
#1 What happened?
#2 Beats me.

2025
#1 Okay guys. We've still got the goods on Trump. It's time to release it so he plummets in the polls.
#2 No, lets wait. There's no way he'll get elected. Harris is killing it,
#1 You sure? Why take a chance? Remember 2016?
#2 Trust me. Harris has this locked up.
#1 What happened?
#2 Beats me.

2026
#1 I demand the facts get released now.
#2 I demand the facts get released now.

Which is why I would rather the information come from the DOJ/FBI/CIA than from Obama or Biden or Trump. I understand that they influence those quite heavily but there is still more trust in them than the president.

What sort of announcement or move would Obama/Biden have had to do to convince you? What would be the "ok, Trump should not be president" moment in the world in which Obama/Biden released Epstein material?

Since Trump has been found liable by a jury for sexual abuse, does that impact your support for him at all? If not, how come?

 

[TorontoGold]

I think the very obvious answer as to why this information has not been released publicly is that Epstein was either A) working in concert with our intelligence community or B) working in concert with a foreign intelligence community to gain leverage on high-profile individuals. There's pretty good reason why everybody's tune changes as soon as they get the full information on it and why neither party will release the information on it. This is an agnostic take as to whether or not a specific individual is actually implicated to some extent on the involvement with Epstein (and I think it's pretty likely to some extent that there's some level of dirt on Trump but not a slam dunk hard evidence of his wrongdoing).

Pretty obvious why the Dems wouldn't release it. All the establishment is in there, Bill was logged around like 26 times? on the lolita express. Tough look to dump all the goods BEFORE you criminally charge Epstein especially if you actually want to criminally convict him. Biden's compost brain probably wanted to maintain status quo and not implicate his buddies before nuking the 2024 election.

The trump card of "hee hee well why didn't Obama or Biden release it!!!" as some sort of cover for Trump is insane. We know they're the establishment class of corrupt likely sex criminals. The reason for the dem party losing support is that very attitude of just sweeping it under the hood and protecting the powerful. So, when the guy who's presumed to be the outsider and runs on releasing the list just changes his tune saying "ya but obama and biden" is fucking stupid lol.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Pretty obvious why the Dems wouldn't release it. All the establishment is in there, Bill was logged around like 26 times? on the lolita express. Tough look to dump all the goods BEFORE you criminally charge Epstein especially if you actually want to criminally convict him. Biden's compost brain probably wanted to maintain status quo and not implicate his buddies before nuking the 2024 election.

The trump card of "hee hee well why didn't Obama or Biden release it!!!" as some sort of cover for Trump is insane. We know they're the establishment class of corrupt likely sex criminals. The reason for the dem party losing support is that very attitude of just sweeping it under the hood and protecting the powerful. So, when the guy who's presumed to be the outsider and runs on releasing the list just changes his tune saying "ya but obama and biden" is fucking stupid lol.

I do genuinely think if there was some information that actually would have tanked Trump, they would have gotten it out there though. When you look at the leaps that Obama's IC went to to rush a report out before Trump's inauguration that induced public doubt in the legitimacy of his Presidency, if there was a way to leak or publish information that would tank his campaign (a guy that they stated was a threat to democracy itself), then they would have.

 

[Giddyup]

Why would Trump or his voters trust the DOJ/FBI/CIA above him at this point? They used up any clout they had in 2016 to Trump voters imo

 

[GATTACA!]

😂😂😂

 

[Giddyup]

LolZ. Losers trying to mimic the original.

 

[GATTACA!]

LolZ. Losers trying to mimic the original.

Nah not mimicking. Mocking how retarded he sounds. Unless you like the way Trump posts? 🥴

 

[Giddyup]

Sounds like Newsome is apart of the giggles crew now. Not even serious

 

[TorontoGold]

I do genuinely think if there was some information that actually would have tanked Trump, they would have gotten it out there though. When you look at the leaps that Obama's IC went to to rush a report out before Trump's inauguration that induced public doubt in the legitimacy of his Presidency, if there was a way to leak or publish information that would tank his campaign (a guy that they stated was a threat to democracy itself), then they would have.

But what would do that? The diehards here, said that a cut and dry asset civil fraud case was "you can try a ham sandwich". So I don't think any of them would accept something leaking from the Obama/Biden admins. I genuinely don't think unless there is video of proof of Trump actually committing an act that they would admit he is a sex pest.

Obama's own FBI tanked Hillary Clinton's campaign by reopening the investigation 11 days before the election. The idea of Trump's presidency was undermined and that if Clinton won it would be hunky dory is fantasy land. The Republican controlled senate and house would not have done Bengahzi x 1000 on day 1? Let's be real lol.

 

[Fbolt]

So you're saying you could be convinced?

 

[LifelongFan]

Giving Ghislane "work release" (for what job? Back to hear long career as a pedophile Mossad agent?) is just more evidence that Trump proudly rapes children. If he got it tattooed on his forehead, MAGA would just say it's a fashion choice. But I guess having a pedophile working for Israel is worth it for the booming inflation and layoffs.