The SEC

[johnnd05]

It was probably equivalent to an average schedule from a power conference. For example, if you played in the big 10 this year or the SEC.

The comparison to the Big 10 shows how ridiculous this argument (about the strength of ND's schedule) is. Wisconsin played an EXTREMELY weak schedule, and the only two very good teams that Michigan played were us and tOSU. tOSU played only Michigan and Texas. Meanwhile, we played several of the best teams in the Big 10 -- Wisconsin, Iowa and tOSU were the only legit members that we didn't play -- as well as USC, UCLA, and Georgia Tech. I'd trade our schedule for that of ANY of those Big 10 teams except MAYBE the ones who had to play both tOSU and Michigan (though even then I'm not sure).

None of this is to say that the SEC isn't a tough conference. It's only to say that complaints about our SOS as versus those Big 10 teams is absurd.

 

[solo]

The comparison to the Big 10 shows how ridiculous this argument (about the strength of ND's schedule) is. Wisconsin played an EXTREMELY weak schedule, and the only two very good teams that Michigan played were us and tOSU. tOSU played only Michigan and Texas. Meanwhile, we played several of the best teams in the Big 10 -- Wisconsin, Iowa and tOSU were the only legit members that we didn't play -- as well as USC, UCLA, and Georgia Tech. I'd trade our schedule for that of ANY of those Big 10 teams except MAYBE the ones who had to play both tOSU and Michigan (though even then I'm not sure).

None of this is to say that the SEC isn't a tough conference. It's only to say that complaints about our SOS as versus those Big 10 teams is absurd.

Was somebody complaining that our schedule wasn't as hard as a big 10 schedule? Not me. I was comparing our schedule to that of the average big 10 team or average SEC team. I hope that you didn't misinterpret.

In any case, any team in the big 10 that had to play Mich, OSU, and Wisonsin certainly played as tough as a schedule as we did. So I guess it depends on which Big 10 teams schedule you compare ours to.

 

[johnnd05]

Was somebody complaining that our schedule wasn't as hard as a big 10 schedule? Not me. I was comparing our schedule to that of the average big 10 team or average SEC team. I hope that you didn't misinterpret.

In any case, any team in the big 10 that had to play Mich, OSU, and Wisonsin certainly played as tough as a schedule as we did. So I guess it depends on which Big 10 teams schedule you compare ours to.

What you said was that our schedule was "probably equivalent to an average schedule from a power conference", e.g. the Big 10. But there are exactly five B-10 teams that played all of tOSU, UM, and UW: Penn State, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, and Northwestern. So if 5/11 counts as "average" (which it probably does), then your point seems reasonable at first glance.

But note that aside from Penn State (who also played us ... golly they had it tough), none of those teams is actually any good. (I can't believe I called Iowa "legit" in my first post.) And if you figure that there might be four good teams in the Big 10 in a given season (probably a reasonable assumption), then there are VERY LOW odds that if you ARE one of those teams, you will play as difficult a schedule as we did. And this is what I was calling attention to by pointing out that UW played NOBODY aside from UM, and tOSU played NOBODY aside from UM and Texas. Our schedule was definitely more difficult than both of those schools, and just as difficult as UM's (they played UW, tOSU, and us). So that leaves two out of eleven Big 10 teams with schedules that stack up to ours.

I stand by my point: our schedule this year (which, by the way, was clearly an off-year for many of our opponents; it's going to be much tougher in 2007) was definitely more difficult than that of an average Big 10 team ... at least one that doesn't suck.

 

[solo]

What you said was that our schedule was "probably equivalent to an average schedule from a power conference", e.g. the Big 10. But there are exactly five B-10 teams that played all of tOSU, UM, and UW: Penn State, Minnesota, Indiana, Iowa, and Northwestern. So if 5/11 counts as "average" (which it probably does), then your point seems reasonable at first glance.

But note that aside from Penn State (who also played us ... golly they had it tough), none of those teams is actually any good. (I can't believe I called Iowa "legit" in my first post.) And if you figure that there might be four good teams in the Big 10 in a given season (probably a reasonable assumption), then there are VERY LOW odds that if you ARE one of those teams, you will play as difficult a schedule as we did. And this is what I was calling attention to by pointing out that UW played NOBODY aside from UM, and tOSU played NOBODY aside from UM and Texas. Our schedule was definitely more difficult than both of those schools, and just as difficult as UM's (they played UW, tOSU, and us). So that leaves two out of eleven Big 10 teams with schedules that stack up to ours.

I stand by my point: our schedule this year (which, by the way, was clearly an off-year for many of our opponents; it's going to be much tougher in 2007) was definitely more difficult than that of an average Big 10 team ... at least one that doesn't suck.

Sagarin rates ND's schedule as 20th

If you count Penn St and Minn as two average Big 10 teams that don't suck, he rated Minn schedule as 12th and PSU's as 27. I would call those schedule comparable to ND's.

If you average the Sagarin ranking for all Big 10 teams, the average Sagarin schedule ranking for the Big 10 is 32. Again ND is 20. Those are int eh same ballpark which is what I orignally alluded to when I called them comparable.

Break down the Big 10 (and compare to ND).

You have 3 good teams in OSU, Mich and Wisc. (ND played 3 good teams in USC, Mich, and GT).

You have 4 Average Teams in PSU, Purdue, IOWA, and MN (ND played 4 average teams in Ourdue, UCLA, Penn St, and Navy)

You have 4 lousy teams in Indiana, NW, Mich St, and Ill (ND played 5 lousy teams in Mich St, Stanford, Army, UNC, and Air Force)

When looking at it this way, can you see how I would say that ND's schedule would be comparable to that of an average big 10 team?

 

[johnnd05]

Sagarin rates ND's schedule as 20th

If you count Penn St and Minn as two average Big 10 teams that don't suck, he rated Minn schedule as 12th and PSU's as 27. I would call those schedule comparable to ND's.

If you average the Sagarin ranking for all Big 10 teams, the average Sagarin schedule ranking for the Big 10 is 32. Again ND is 20. Those are int eh same ballpark which is what I orignally alluded to when I called them comparable.

Break down the Big 10 (and compare to ND).

You have 3 good teams in OSU, Mich and Wisc. (ND played 3 good teams in USC, Mich, and GT).

You have 4 Average Teams in PSU, Purdue, IOWA, and MN (ND played 4 average teams in Ourdue, UCLA, Penn St, and Navy)

You have 4 lousy teams in Indiana, NW, Mich St, and Ill (ND played 5 lousy teams in Mich St, Stanford, Army, UNC, and Air Force)

When looking at it this way, can you see how I would say that ND's schedule would be comparable to that of an average big 10 team?

I guess I wasn't counting Minnesota as a team that didn't suck. My point was that a "good" Big 10 team will play a maximum of two of the other "good" teams -- tOSU and UW only played one of them -- and probably not all of the "average" teams. And then if you don't schedule tough teams OOC, as UW didn't, then you don't end up with a tough schedule.

Minnesota played a wicked hard schedule, and so did Penn State. But that's only TWO B-10 teams with schedules as tough as ours, and 2/11 does not an "average" make.* So I stand by my (modified) claim: ND's schedule this year (not to mention next) was tougher than that of an average good-to-decent Big-10 team.

 

[johnnd05]

More fuel for my fire

More fuel for my fire

ND's SOS rating (per Sagarin): 20
Average Big 10 SOS rating: 32
Average SOS for good (8+ win) Big 10 teams: 56.5
Average SOS for elite (10+ win) Big 10 teams: 45.7

And while we're at it:
Average SEC SOS rating: 26.6
Average SOS for good (8+ win) SEC teams: 27.8
Average SOS for elite (10+ win) SEC teams: 29.8

All of which goes to show: ND's schedule for this year (which is, by all accounts, an uncommonly bad year for many of our opponents) is indeed "comparable to" that of a Big 10 or SEC team, but it is a good bit harder than either, and MASSIVELY harder than that of an average Big 10 team that's as good as us.

 

[solo]

ND's SOS rating (per Sagarin): 20
Average Big 10 SOS rating: 32
Average SOS for good (8+ win) Big 10 teams: 56.5
Average SOS for elite (10+ win) Big 10 teams: 45.7

And while we're at it:
Average SEC SOS rating: 26.6
Average SOS for good (8+ win) SEC teams: 27.8
Average SOS for elite (10+ win) SEC teams: 29.8

All of which goes to show: ND's schedule for this year (which is, by all accounts, an uncommonly bad year for many of our opponents) is indeed "comparable to" that of a Big 10 or SEC team, but it is a good bit harder than either, and MASSIVELY harder than that of an average Big 10 team that's as good as us.

It was nice that we could reach some sort of agreement on this. And I totally agree, this was an off scheduling year for ND. What could have been a brutal schedule was not brutal because some of our opponents that have been good in the past were not so good this year. Same with last year.

 

[johnnd05]

A few more Sagarin statistics

A few more Sagarin statistics

(These are just fascinating.)

Big 10 teams vs. Top Ten: 1-16 (.059).
Big 10 teams vs. Top 30: 7-33 (.175).

Pac 10 teams vs. Top Ten: 4-17 (.190).
Pac 10 teams vs. Top 30: 27-40 (.403).

SEC teams vs. Top Ten: 7-23 (.233).
SEC teams vs. Top 30: 22-43 (.338).

I-A Independents vs. Top Ten: 0-3 (.000).
I-A Independents vs. Top Thirty: 2-8 (.200).

Big 12 teams vs. Top Ten: 0-3 (.000).
Big 12 teams vs. Top 30: 6-26 (.188).

Big East teams vs. Top Ten: 3-15 (.167).
Big East teams vs. Top 30: 5-18 (.217).

ACC teams vs. Top Ten: 0-3 (.000).
ACC teams vs. Top 30: 9-24 (.273).

Upshot: the Big 10 is vastly overrated. They have a worse winning percentage against top thirty teams than ALL of the groups listed below, including the Independents and the much-maligned Big East. The SEC and Pac 10? Good conferences, to be sure. (Though a .338 winning percentage against top thirty teams hardly makes the SEC look like the powerhouse they are supposed to be.) But there is no strong argument to be made for the goodness of the Big 10 or the inherent strength of their in-conference scheduling.

 

[johnnd05]

It was nice that we could reach some sort of agreement on this.

I suppose my sarcasm in saying that ND's schedule was "comparable to" a Big 10 team didn't come across. The Yankees are comparable to the Devil Rays too, you know ... they just happen to be massively better in the same way that ND's schedule is massively harder than that of an average good Big 10 team.

 

[njuneardave]

the only reason we have such a good SOS is b/c of UM and SC. and we got wiped out by both. if it werent for those two teams (with whom we didnt even compete), our SOS is weak.

 

[johnnd05]

the only reason we have such a good SOS is b/c of UM and SC. and we got wiped out by both. if it werent for those two teams (with whom we didnt even compete), our SOS is weak.

You could say the same about nearly every team with a top-20 SOS:
6. California: 0-2 vs. Top 10
11. Tennessee: 1-2 vs. Top 10
7. Oregon: 0-2 vs. Top 10
15. South Carolina: 0-2
9. Arizona State: 0-2
8. Washington State: 0-2
4. Arizona: 1-2
12. Minnesota: 0-3
16. Cincinatti: 0-3
5. Washington: 0-2
14. Syracuse: 0-2
1. Stanford: 0-2

The fact that we lost to two great teams shows we're not quite there ... yet. But we did PLAY them, and that's what our SOS rating is based on, after all.

The fact that we beat all of the non-elite teams that we played is what separates us from the teams listed above. And the fact that we played two of the top five teams in the nation is what makes our schedule more difficult than that of an average Big 10 (or SEC, for that matter) team.

 

[solo]

(These are just fascinating.)

Big 10 teams vs. Top Ten: 1-16 (.059).
Big 10 teams vs. Top 30: 7-33 (.175).

Pac 10 teams vs. Top Ten: 4-17 (.190).
Pac 10 teams vs. Top 30: 27-40 (.403).

SEC teams vs. Top Ten: 7-23 (.233).
SEC teams vs. Top 30: 22-43 (.338).

I-A Independents vs. Top Ten: 0-3 (.000).
I-A Independents vs. Top Thirty: 2-8 (.200).

Big 12 teams vs. Top Ten: 0-3 (.000).
Big 12 teams vs. Top 30: 6-26 (.188).

Big East teams vs. Top Ten: 3-15 (.167).
Big East teams vs. Top 30: 5-18 (.217).

ACC teams vs. Top Ten: 0-3 (.000).
ACC teams vs. Top 30: 9-24 (.273).

Upshot: the Big 10 is vastly overrated. They have a worse winning percentage against top thirty teams than ALL of the groups listed below, including the Independents and the much-maligned Big East. The SEC and Pac 10? Good conferences, to be sure. (Though a .338 winning percentage against top thirty teams hardly makes the SEC look like the powerhouse they are supposed to be.) But there is no strong argument to be made for the goodness of the Big 10 or the inherent strength of their in-conference scheduling.

Care to point your critical eye inward at ND to see what you see?

What is ND versus the top 10? Top 30? Would that make us vastly overrated too? Just want you to be consistant in the application of your logic...

 

[jiggafini19]

JaMarcus Russell, Coach Ditka and 9 mini Michael Jordans on offense.

LSU 56, Notre Dame 5

 

[johnnd05]

Care to point your critical eye inward at ND to see what you see?

What is ND versus the top 10? Top 30? Would that make us vastly overrated too? Just want you to be consistant in the application of your logic...

ND is 0-2 vs. the top ten, and 2-2 vs. the top thirty. That's about par for the course for a top ten-to-fifteen team, which is what we're ranked. That we got housed by SC and UM shows that we were overrated in the preseason*, no doubt about that. But we did beat several quite good teams in GT, PSU, and UCLA, and -- unlike all but three other schools (UM, Ark., and Wisc.) -- lost only to teams in the top 10. That's a solid season, and clearly deserving of the ranking we have. The Big 10, meanwhile, is ranked behind even the Big East by Sagarin's criteria. So I fail to see your point, really.

 

[ackirl]

Buckeyes Forfeit Championship To Avoid Facing Mighty SEC

COLUMBUS, OH--The BCS title game is still a month away, but it looks like the Florida Gators have already won. That’s because the Ohio State Buckeyes, the number one team in the nation, have unexpectedly forfeited the game in order to avoid facing the wrath of the mighty SEC, the toughest conference in all of college football.

“As you all know, the Florida Gators hail from the Southeastern Conference, a powerhouse conference that is the toughest, grittiest, and most talented in all the nation,” said Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel. “As good as we are, we’re not stupid enough to put ourselves in the potentially embarrassing situation of having to face the SEC champion. We’re a good team, but the SEC plays on a whole different level as the rest of the nation. In fact, I’d like to someday be an SEC coach, though I probably wouldn’t cut the mustard because SEC coaches are hard-nosed warriors and I’m kind of a dork.”

Tressel also pointed out that Florida spent its season playing against other SEC opponents while Ohio State played against teams from the inferior Big 10 conference.

“We’ve never seen a team like Florida before,” said Tressel. “We have not had a taste of SEC football at all. The best team we’ve played this year is Michigan, and those guys are from the Big 10, which is like the SEC Jr. Florida, on other hand, has played Alabama, Tennessee, LSU, and Georgia. Read that list again. You think we could have handled all those teams? Not likely. And I don’t even want to think what an SEC defense would do to our poor little Troy Smith. Bye bye Heisman, hello full body cast. No thanks. We’ll skip the game and live to suck another day.”

Upon hearing the news of Ohio State’s forfeit, members of the Florida Gators were outraged. The Gators were looking forward to the opportunity to face the Buckeyes on national television and give them a little taste of a good old fashioned SEC-style butt kicking.

“We wanted a shot at these guys and now they’re backing down,” said head coach Urban Meyer. “It’s not fair. We worked so hard to play and defeat the number one team in the country. Never mind how sloppy we played against Arkansas. Arkansas is an SEC opponent, a super team like us. Those games are wars of attrition. Just getting out alive is an accomplishment. That’s why we were looking forward to a nice, relaxing, breezy victory against a non-SEC opponent. Can’t we at least play Michigan? Please? Come on, we promise not to run up the score. We’ll put our backups in as soon as we hit 65 points.”

Unfortunately for Meyer, the decision has already been made. A message on the front page of the Ohio State Buckeyes web site read “Congratulations to the Florida Gators on winning the 2006 NCAA National Championship.” Even quarterback Troy Smith has given up on the championship and started focusing on the upcoming NFL draft.

“The team has made their decision and we just have to go along with that,” said Smith as he was cleaning out his locker at Ohio State. “Of course, we all would have liked the opportunity to play for the title, but clearly the best team has prevailed, and frankly, we saved ourselves some embarrassment and probably some pretty serious injuries. I am entering the NFL draft this year and the last thing I need is for scouts to see me throwing interceptions and being sacked and openly weeping while those SEC defenders stand over me flexing their muscles. It’s better to quit now and let them think I can actually play.”

According to NCAA rules, there is no rule prohibiting a team from forfeiting a title game. Now the NCAA is faced with a decision: find a replacement team to play Florida or cancel the title game altogether.

“It’s technically legal for a team to forfeit this game, but it’s never actually happened before,” said NCAA president Myles Brand. “So it’s up to us to find a solution to this problem. We could use the opportunity to allow a more deserving team to play for the championship. How about Florida versus LSU or Florida versus Auburn? How about Florida versus Vanderbilt? Kentucky? You put Kentucky in the Big 10 and they’re probably finishing at 11-1. Actually, forget all that. Why don’t we just have Florida, the SEC champ, take the field on January 8th and just stand there and let the crowd get a look at what true awesomeness is all about? That could backfire, though, if the fans get intimidated and run for their lives.”



http://www.thebrushback.com/forfeit_full.htm

 

[johnnd05]

Buckeyes Forfeit Championship To Avoid Facing Mighty SEC

LOL!

 

[jerseyborn1971]

That is one of the funniest things I've ever read on this board.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Buckeyes Forfeit Championship To Avoid Facing Mighty SEC

COLUMBUS, OH--The BCS title game is still a month away, but it looks like the Florida Gators have already won. That’s because the Ohio State Buckeyes, the number one team in the nation, have unexpectedly forfeited the game in order to avoid facing the wrath of the mighty SEC, the toughest conference in all of college football.

....

http://www.thebrushback.com/forfeit_full.htm

Awesome...LOL

 

[Vince Young]

JaMarcus Russell, Coach Ditka and 9 mini Michael Jordans on offense.

LSU 56, Notre Dame 5

5 points? A field goal and a safety? You really think Notre Dame's defense could force a safety against LSU?

*twitch*

*snicker*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[irishranger]

The SEC is a great conference. But lets be honest, they beat up on themselves and then whine about not getting national respect. The sooner SEC start playing tough OOC games the sooner they wont be maligned by the media. There are teams in the SEC that are considered tough off of reputation alone (ahem.....ALABAMA). Stop living off the past, you dont hear ND fans still talkin about Knute. All I can say is the SEC is a great conference, but play USC (oopps....loss by Ark. almost SEC champ), or O St., or Mich, or even ND. Then tell me how good you are.

 

[solo]

The SEC is a great conference. But lets be honest, they beat up on themselves and then whine about not getting national respect. The sooner SEC start playing tough OOC games the sooner they wont be maligned by the media. There are teams in the SEC that are considered tough off of reputation alone (ahem.....ALABAMA). Stop living off the past, you dont hear ND fans still talkin about Knute. All I can say is the SEC is a great conference, but play USC (oopps....loss by Ark. almost SEC champ), or O St., or Mich, or even ND. Then tell me how good you are.

I think this is an accurate, yet unfair criticism of the SEC. They have 4 teams in the BCS final top 12. They have Tenn in the top 20. And GA is somewhere around 26th and really is a top 25 calibre team. So they have 6 top 25 calibre teams and you are upset because they don't line up and play USC, TX and Michigan OOC?

If you play in a weak conference you should schedule up OOC. If you play in a strong conference, you don't. Now, the SEC could try to beef up the OOC schedule a tad and play top 40-50 type propgrams rather than the weakest opponent they can find. But I can't fault them for not playing the best teams OOC.

Remember, of all the conferences, ND's winning percentage is the lowest versus the SEC. If no other stat means anything to you, that one should.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

I think this is an accurate, yet unfair criticism of the SEC. They have 4 teams in the BCS final top 12. They have Tenn in the top 20. And GA is somewhere around 26th and really is a top 25 calibre team. So they have 6 top 25 calibre teams and you are upset because they don't line up and play USC, TX and Michigan OOC?

If you play in a weak conference you should schedule up OOC. If you play in a strong conference, you don't. Now, the SEC could try to beef up the OOC schedule a tad and play top 40-50 type propgrams rather than the weakest opponent they can find. But I can't fault them for not playing the best teams OOC.

I think the point is that NOTHING justifies them to be that high. Why are WAC teams not that high? Or MWC or MAC?

Seriously, if you have a league that ONLY beats on itself, you have no idea how they really are nationally.

Remember, of all the conferences, ND's winning percentage is the lowest versus the SEC. If no other stat means anything to you, that one should.

It means nothing at all right now. Nothing.

We have beaten USC more times than any other team in the Nation...and yet we STILL are getting our ass handed to us by them these last 5 years.

 

[solo]

I think the point is that NOTHING justifies them to be that high. Why are WAC teams not that high? Or MWC or MAC?

Seriously, if you have a league that ONLY beats on itself, you have no idea how they really are nationally.



It means nothing at all right now. Nothing.

We have beaten USC more times than any other team in the Nation...and yet we STILL are getting our ass handed to us by them these last 5 years.

So why have ratings at all then if you don't trust them. The people that determine the rankings are coaches who know a lot about football and sportswriters who are paid to cover sports for a living. So everyone who is anyone involved with college football agrees that the SEC is a tough conference and that these SEC teams deserve their rankings. Are all these people just clueless? Who should be ranked then? How can we know at all who is good?

USC schedules up. ND schedules up. Nobody else that I can think of off the top of my head sachedules up year in and year out.

 

[irishranger]

Solo I agree with what you are saying, my point was simply this. SEC fans need to stop complaining about how they are percieved outside the SEC, if they dont scheduale at least one tough OOC game. I hear the argument all the time from SEC apologists about ND playing sevice academies and being overrated. The argument they make against the Irish can be used agaiinst the SEC is all i am saying

 

[solo]

Solo I agree with what you are saying, my point was simply this. SEC fans need to stop complaining about how they are percieved outside the SEC, if they dont scheduale at least one tough OOC game. I hear the argument all the time from SEC apologists about ND playing sevice academies and being overrated. The argument they make against the Irish can be used agaiinst the SEC is all i am saying

Anyone who busts on ND for our schedule is simply an idiot. You should end the conversation right then because they are obviously too stupid to understand logic. Never argue with a fool. ND's schedule is ranked in the top 25 every year. Often in the top 10. Those are simply the facts.

 

[johnnd05]

SEC fans need to stop complaining about how they are percieved outside the SEC, if they dont scheduale at least one tough OOC game.

To be fair: Florida played FSU (whom most people thought would be very good this year), Arkansas played USC, Tennessee played Cal, and Georgia played G-Tech. Auburn and LSU's OOC are an embarassment, though. But is the OOC for, say, UM or tOSU much more difficult on average than the schools I just listed? (Just asking ... I really don't know (for once ... lol).)

 

[johnnd05]

One thing I didn't take account of in my post was pointed out by Solo, namely that a lot of these SEC teams schedule extraordinarily weak opponents for many of their OOC games. But then again, so does tOSU (Ball State, anyone?).

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

So why have ratings at all then if you don't trust them. The people that determine the rankings are coaches who know a lot about football and sportswriters who are paid to cover sports for a living. So everyone who is anyone involved with college football agrees that the SEC is a tough conference and that these SEC teams deserve their rankings. Are all these people just clueless? Who should be ranked then? How can we know at all who is good?

USC schedules up. ND schedules up. Nobody else that I can think of off the top of my head sachedules up year in and year out.

The coaches don't watch the game, they have little to no clue...and they generally vote their own conference higher than others.

Sportswriters I trust a bit more.

But the fact is we have no measuring stick.

Sportswriters thought Miami and FSU were top teams after they played. Clearly they were wrong.

We will see how good the SEC really is pretty soon...until then, it's a black box. Looking at how crappy their offenses are, I am unimpressed so far. (LSU does impress me though)

 

[Vince Young]

If you play in a weak conference you should schedule up OOC. If you play in a strong conference, you don't.

Scheduling down OOC in a strong conference is one thing. Scheduling the likes of Southeast Missouri State, Western Carolina, Western Kentucky, Louisiana-Monroe, Utah State, Buffalo and Arkansas State is quite another.

I still can't get over Southeast Missouri State. A DOUBLE-directional school? Come on!

 

[Katzenboyer]

Is it me, or is the SEC making quite the statement about the supposed "lack of strength" of its conference during this bowl season?