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Now that he has three picks, everybody talks about this kid as if he's great. I don't understand it at all. Granted, he's made big plays when he had to, but he gets picked on all the time. UCLA threw at him for most of the game, and he was almost always out of position: falling down, or 2 steps behind the receiver. Does anyone else notice this??
 
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I'm not sure I've seen alot of people calling him great; more like improved. I'm not sure that he would ever develop into a "shut down" corner, but I think he'll be ok. Time will tell
 

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I don't know why people hate our corners so much.....they aren't world beaters but I think years of the Bobby Taylor's and Tom Carter's made us forget that guys like that are special. Everyone was all over Richardson the past couple of years and now teams, ie. UCLA, are really afraid to throw at him and NFL teams are asking about him. Lambert is a quality player, yes he was out of position but he was also covering UCLA's best WR much of the game, and regardless of how talented the kid is he still did a good job. He isn't a lock down guy, frankly I don't think anyone on the roster is or will be in the near future. But without Lambert this team has 3 losses right now, so take it for what its worth. The kid isn't great but he doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus so fast. As our good friend Lee Corso would say...NOT SO FAST!
 

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Not great, but there has definately been improvement. I'm happy for him and I hope to see him continue to get better.
 

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I think he is a little hesitant at times but I do give him credit for tryin. He has 3 picks that should boost his confidence. He is getting better and I think that playin time has really help him out. He has been waiting patiently for his time so let's not be to judgemental on him.
 

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Now that he has three picks, everybody talks about this kid as if he's great. I don't understand it at all. Granted, he's made big plays when he had to, but he gets picked on all the time. UCLA threw at him for most of the game, and he was almost always out of position: falling down, or 2 steps behind the receiver. Does anyone else notice this??

Sometimes they miss, sometimes they don't...

My statement on this is simple:
He's coming along better every day.
 

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Lambert is still pretty awful. Richardson has improved to the point that he seems, at the moment, like an acceptable corner. Wooden is still pretty awful.

And frankly there's no reason why ND shouldn't have "the Bobby Taylors and Tom Carters" playing corner. The fans are right to be disappointed in disappointing players.
 

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Lambert is still pretty awful. Richardson has improved to the point that he seems, at the moment, like an acceptable corner. Wooden is still pretty awful.

And frankly there's no reason why ND shouldn't have "the Bobby Taylors and Tom Carters" playing corner. The fans are right to be disappointed in disappointing players.

So who would you want playing corner for us right now? ND fan's expect every player perfect....you can argue that if the D-Line and LB's were getting pressure on the QB the secondary wouldn't look so bad. Look at the D-Line and LB's guys like Carter and Taylor had...
 

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So who would you want playing corner for us right now? ND fan's expect every player perfect....you can argue that if the D-Line and LB's were getting pressure on the QB the secondary wouldn't look so bad. Look at the D-Line and LB's guys like Carter and Taylor had...

The CBs would look decidedly better if they had pressure being placed on the QB. Let's face it, these guys are hung out to dry out there for a long time (in football terms). A good WR is GOING to get open, no matter how good the CB.

Conversely, look at the issues Quinn has faced hitting people. The lack of protection has clearly affected his performance and ability to find open receivers, because the receivers have that much less time to get open.
 

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So who would you want playing corner for us right now? ND fan's expect every player perfect....you can argue that if the D-Line and LB's were getting pressure on the QB the secondary wouldn't look so bad. Look at the D-Line and LB's guys like Carter and Taylor had...


Wanting "no players awful" is not the same as wanting "every player perfect." If ND had had no awful players on D last year, just 11 average players, who made average plays, and didn't make either great plays or horrible plays- we'd have won the national title.
 
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So who would you want playing corner for us right now? ND fan's expect every player perfect....you can argue that if the D-Line and LB's were getting pressure on the QB the secondary wouldn't look so bad. Look at the D-Line and LB's guys like Carter and Taylor had...

I for one am not expecting the perfect player. I would love to have one, but it's evident we do not. What I'm expecting is consistent improvement week to week. From the first week of 2005 I can't really say we've done that in any facet of the game. Yeah I know some days the offense or defense put up top 5 numbers. BUT, we have yet to really pound a good defense or stop an efficient offense in 1.5 years. What I don't understand is how UCLA's DC changed the defense over one Summer with talent arguably worse than ours. I don't think it's really fair to blame minter right now because the offense is just as inconsistant. I think it has to do with motivation above all other things which is Weis's responsibility.

It's amazing how different we play when it matters. Miraculously the o-line can protect Quinn, the defense line can really get in an opposing QB's face, the linebackers fill the holes, safety help is where it ought to be -but only when it matters.
Look 2 plays after the MSU fight, the push the defense gets on Stanton is completly not what you would expect of our line. Look at the final plays against UCLA, the line learns the opposing team wears different colors than their own.
Look at the final plays against Stanford last year, UCLA this year- the defense actually wants to sack the QB. ( yes I know the offensive mindset is different then, but there are SEVERAL occurences every game where the QB has MORE time and we still don't get in the same area code to tackle him )
<rant> well more so than above
I really just wish we used our weapons more efficiently. We have arguably the best WR tandem in Div1a with a TE that's no patsy. Shark made quinn look a lot better lasy year than he was, grabbing balls that should have been in the stands and turning them into touchdowns - stovall did the same to some degree. We just aren't catching those breaks because quinn isn't getting deep balls remotely near them. We aren't opening up any vertical passing game, which puts more pressure on our line which then gets blitzed 2/3 of our plays. This blitz also shuts down the all-american-mediocre-but-a-good-guy back dwalk. We play into our own weaknesses and we force ourself to struggle... over ... and... over... and.. over.
You see the defense succeeding because they have no single strong weakness. Our coverage looks pretty mediocre beacuse our line is pretty mediocre. If you put our DB's with UCLA's line you all would be hoping Lewis and Minter stay for another year. All in all the defense is playing how they should be, with our inexplicable lack of motivation. Why did UCLA improve so much over one year, and we can't? I dunno, this is Notre Dame??

I think I'm just disappointed because I read here and there, well everywhere, that ND is unstoppable - and although I know this is not true, it crawls into my subconscience and I become an idiot. These 'wins' aren't making things better, all they do is give us more false confidence that we are UBER-AMAZING. BUT stealingshrimp, "GREAT teams know how to never give up"...great teams don't look like ass for 3 and half quarters over and over and over. I hope Weis realizes we aren't deserving of these wins and positively uses that to address the problems and make the players understand them and correct them- otherwise USC is going to be another 31 point blowout - but wait they look alot like us right now - inconsistant and opportunistic. Go service academies and UNC. (air force may be tough, navy would be a 50/50 game if their QB was still afoot).
 

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shrimp I just had a very similar conversation a few hours ago with a friend of mine. Discussing how everyone seems to come out flat and then just kinda turn it on as well as the troubles with the ground game and oline.

I'd like to see that same protection we had on that final drive if even only for a first series. Stretch the field for the first drive and from the bat get a little more room and get people to take a step off the line. The fact that people are sitting at the line and blitzing so much is because there's no reason for a cushion. A bunch of screens don't push you back very far and if pressure is making Quinn use a 3 step and toss the ball there's no opportunity to stretch it.

I'm in no way saying I'll take over for any coach. So I don't want to come across as saying it's an easy fix, but I will agree is seems that desire early in the game is lacking.

(It kind of reminds me of USC in the first quarter/half of their games last year, slow start really no sense of urgency, then bam they turn it on and win the game)
 

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You had a conversation in which you rooted for ND to lose games, said that a relatively mediocre USC team will beat us by 31, and said that had Navy's QB not gotten hurt they'd have been even with us?

Did you also misuse the word "afoot" in your convo?
 

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Why jeez I don't believe when I talked about the ideas shared in both my conversation and his post I mentioned those. I will say though that if USC is mediocre then we are in that neighborhood too.

Maybe I'm wrong in saying this but I don't think he is rooting for them to lose but instead implying that you learn more from a loss than a win.

Referring to your earlier comments, I think it's pretty harsh to judge Lambert as being terrible as he has seem as much time as the freshmen. True he's been in college longer, but lack of pt has limited him. When you look at where he was last year and to where he is now... its a hell of an improvement. Mike Richardson has surprised me and played alot better this year; especially his ability to turn rb's back towards the inside and come up and make tackles. Wooden, I feel is hardto judge because he's been banged up. Still though the corners are 10x's better than last year and although they aren't shut down, they aren't really getting the sufficient help to do so.
 

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1. Look up "relatively." By recent USC standards, SC is mediocre. By recent ND standards, this year's team is great.

2. Are you kidding about him not rooting for the team to lose? What part of "Go service academies and UNC. (air force may be tough, navy would be a 50/50 game if their QB was still afoot)." do you not understand? The guy is a jackass. He's not a Notre Dame fan. If you want the Irish to lose, you don't belong on an Irish messageboard.
 

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To say this team doesn't deserve these wins is a bit of a stretch for me. I do, however, think they rate outside the Top Ten. Just my opinion. Teams deserve to win and lose if that's what they do. You are what you are. What Notre Dame is: 6-1.

Richardson is very good. Lambert has impressed me since he was Manninghammed, but I'm still holding out for the future: Walls, McNeil and Gray.
 

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I hope Weis realizes we aren't deserving of these wins and positively uses that to address the problems and make the players understand them and correct them-
When you outscore your opponents, you won. You deserve it because you scored more than they did.

- and although I know this is not true, it crawls into my subconscience and I become an idiot.
Hmm. So that explains it.

Go service academies and UNC.
Yep. Idiot.
 

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I do get frustrated watching Terrail play. He is a talented kid but sometimes he just doesn't get it done. He is unusual because every game he seems to play differently. MSU and UCLA, he played great. Stanford, not so much. However, I'll take Lambert over Wooden. I still can't forgive him for the USC game.
 
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The CBs would look decidedly better if they had pressure being placed on the QB. Let's face it, these guys are hung out to dry out there for a long time (in football terms). A good WR is GOING to get open, no matter how good the CB.

Conversely, look at the issues Quinn has faced hitting people. The lack of protection has clearly affected his performance and ability to find open receivers, because the receivers have that much less time to get open.

I agree completely. The CBs get attacked every game more then anyone else, even UCLA who hadn't gone downfield alot all season consistently went at the CBs. When you give Drew Stanton, Chad Henne, Reggie Ball(with Calvin Johnson), and Purdue's 4th ranked offense all day to throw and then they attack the CBs all day, sure they are going to give up big plays. ND's corners are not great, but they wouldn't be considered as bad as they are if they had more pressure from the D line(not just Victor). I think the LBs could be playing much better as well.
 

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I do get frustrated watching Terrail play. He is a talented kid but sometimes he just doesn't get it done. He is unusual because he every game he seems to play differently. MSU and UCLA, he played great. Stanford, not so much. However, I'll take Lambert over Wooden. I still can't forgive him for the USC game.

Wooden played that 4th and 9 as well as it could be played. Leinart just made a perfect throw, and Jarrett made an amazing catch. But there was nothing else Wooden could have done.
 

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I think he is pretty good. He is not afraid to lay a hit on any back, he sets a tone on special teams, and he does not quit on plays. This is his first year starting..........
 

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I still can't forgive him for the USC game.

Are you serious? You need to re-watch that play. The coverage was great. The throw was perfect and hit a very good WR in stride.
 

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Overall, I do not think our secondary is that bad. In fact, it could probably be one of the top 25 secondaries in D1A. However, unless you are Deion Sanders, it is extremely difficult to cover a receiver for more than 6 seconds. Our corners have to cover receivers for 12 seconds.

If our secondary had Michigans D-Line, we might have one of the best secondaries out there. Not because the secondary is great, but because when a QB has 2 seconds to throw the ball, it makes it very difficult to complete passes.
 

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Are you serious? You need to re-watch that play. The coverage was great. The throw was perfect and hit a very good WR in stride.

yeah that coverage was as perfect as you can get w/o interfering. Matt Leinart put that ball in the perfect spot. It was great concentration on Jarrett's part. It happened. Let it go. Our CB's need our D-line to get pressure on the ball. That's not happening on a consistent basis. When receiver's are allowed time to improvise, that usually means trouble for the CB. Look at Shark's TD Saturday. Brady had time to pump fake which gave Shark time to clear the safety. You have to sack and hurry the QB to throw the timing off. That's exactly what teams are doing to us this year.
 
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I wish we could have got MCcoy last year. I think he would have made an immediate impact on this dline. It would give them a blow and an extra player to rotate in.

Has McCoy done anything down in OK?
 

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I just don't know about that guys. I've watched the play numerous times. Wooden had a great oppurtunity to either intercept or swat the ball down. It went right by him....Aaaghh, never mind. It's over so I guess I should just move on. I apologize to all of my fellow Irishmen for bringing up such a heartbreaker.
 
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