Skip Holtz

[Mr. McGibblets]

Alhough my name suggests otherwise, and I'm not necessarily blaming this on Weis, and i feel like ive been watching San Diego states Offense all day, i think i want Skip Holtz as our coach. Obviously my opinion is strongly based off this first half and that ridiculous pic in the end zone, but the boy Skip is getting the job done down in ECU. That game isnt over yet either but ECU looks strong.

 

[Golden Domer93]

I knew it was a matter of time til this thread appeared.

 

[Junkhead]

Kinda ironic from "Weis4president".

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Kinda ironic from "Weis4president".

Which is the reason i wrote "although my name suggests otherwise." so your irionic statement was very unnecessary.

And I'm merely commenting on ECU's strong and ND's WEAK play. and i said i was not blaming this performance on Weis, I just like what Holtz is doing at ECU and why wouldnt i support someone associated with one of ND's greatest coaches ever?

 

[NDOM]

Brian Kelley for new coach.

 

[bluegold06]

If this bad play continues, you have to say although Weis can recrut. He just can't develop talent on the college level. If we have a bad year, I SAY GET SKIP HOLTZ here. We have alittle talent and Skip can take us. Let's see if wwe play to our potential againsst a lackluster Michigan squad. If we play poorly and lose, I say let's go after Ship!

 

[loomis41973]

I've been on the Charlie bandwagon for 3 years. After today, I'm done.

He was excellent in NFL as an offensive coordinator, but hes a lousy college coach. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to what Ty left behind and growing pains, but this guy knows NOTHING about emotion and the college game.
To see the sidlines at the game you'd think the players were at a wake today...no emotion.

Bring on Holtz

 

[Golden Domer93]

I think we have seen threads like this before. I have a lot of confidence in Charlie Weis.

 

[Freeman Ara]

I've been on the Charlie bandwagon for 3 years. After today, I'm done.

He was excellent in NFL as an offensive coordinator, but hes a lousy college coach. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to what Ty left behind and growing pains, but this guy knows NOTHING about emotion and the college game.
To see the sidlines at the game you'd think the players were at a wake today...no emotion.

Bring on Holtz

Really? So the players aren't accountable at all for not having any emotion? Or how about the stadium being dead quiet the entire time? It was "like a library" is what Haden called it. Folks, these are college kids, if they can't get up on their own every Saturday and get pumped to put on the Gold Helmet and knock heads, well Charlie is not going to be able to coach that up.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Remember that Pitt game, Charlie's first game? How pumped were you when you saw that we had finally had a coach that had his team fired up and ready to play? Don't tell me you weren't pumped because you know you'd be lying. He got us to 2 BCS games in his first 2 years!!! Yeah, we sucked last year and we sucked today, but I'm not jumping ship yet. No way. Even after we almost lost to a bunch of friggin surfers, I'm not giving up on Charlie yet.

You want Skip after he's done a good job to start the year, which, if you remember, is exactly what happened 3 years ago when CW got us off to a tremendous start. Let Skip learn his craft at ECU, let him make his youthful mistakes there (they're gonna happen), and when his team continues to play well for more than 1 year and 2 games (they were 8-5 last year), and then snatch him up if Charlie contiues to fail. Remember, w/ Charlie's recruiting, we finally have some real athletes in this class and next year's class. My point is that we should slow down with the Skip talk; Charlie had his team playing w/ all kinds of emotion when he started also, and I think this team will get it going as well. I hope...

 

[Golden Domer93]

Skip may one day come to South Bend but right now I am confident in Holtz.

 

[bluegold06]

ECU may very well be grooming ND's next coach. Atleast if he comes, he will have a somewhat stocked cupboard

 

[jimnightshade]

I have backed charlie also for three years and i am almost done with him he does not get the college game can't relate to the players a develope them it means nothing to have great classes if you can't coach them they are not pro football players yet you dont coach them like they are. The line play to me out side of pass blocking was terrible. The short yardage proformance is embarrassing. Kamara looks the part but can't catch a a cold much less a pass.

 

[NDboy15]

People seem to forget we had two back to back 10-win seasons under Charlie. Sure, we got thumped in the bowls, the ****storm that was last season, but now he should have the talent. I doubt they fire Charlie, thats like throwing $30 million down the toilet. Granted ND could probably afford that, but I don't really want it to end that way, or so soon, I think he should get more time.

 

[irishmarine]

i think chafrlie has this year and next to turn things around in a major way. if we are still the butt of mark mays jokes then i say we have to look for a replacemnt BUT i have faith in cw and the irish kids. they experienced alot of shit last year and this game hopefully taught them that nothing is a gimme. go irish

 

[onenybrother]

Skip Holtz are you kidding me. The Mad Scientist is still working his brew. This team is gonna improve trust me. I gonna remember all you bandwagon azz so call fans when it happens. Stop wanting to fire a coach because you dont understand the game. This still is a young team. We played today with a couple of freshman and they made big plays big plays. I guess all the haters didnt notice that? Back up off my man Charlie. The man is recruiting his ass off and it is starting to show. Instead of yall being proud, we has to read this type of dumb ass thread.

Let's Go Charlie!!!!

 

[loomis41973]

Skip Holtz are you kidding me. The Mad Scientist is still working his brew. This team is gonna improve trust me. I gonna remember all you bandwagon azz so call fans when it happens. Stop wanting to fire a coach because you dont understand the game. This still is a young team. We played today with a couple of freshman and they made big plays big plays. I guess all the haters didnt notice that? Back up off my man Charlie. The man is recruiting his ass off and it is starting to show. Instead of yall being proud, we has to read this type of dumb ass thread.

Let's Go Charlie!!!!

NO, I think you are the one who need to back up!! I think i understand the game since i played both at both high school and college level.......EMOTION is what is lacking with these lads along with a head coach who understands the college game. Charlie treats it more like a business. I have followed ND for over 30 years and been a season ticket holder for over 10 and have NEVER seen such a lack of leadership on or off the field.
ND will never rise under Charlie unless he finds out what emotion means to the college FB game......oh and learning how to run the ball might help also.

 

[JeremyND07]

HE had two 10 win seasons with young men that Ty's staff developed. The kids WEis has recruited are consistantly underacheiving and it has to stop. Next year is the make or break year in my opinion unless we do not win 5 games this year!!!!!

 

[loomis41973]

Truthfully i think those 2 10 win seasons were more of Quinns doing than Charlies'

 

[brownkj002]

Really? So the players aren't accountable at all for not having any emotion? Or how about the stadium being dead quiet the entire time? It was "like a library" is what Haden called it. Folks, these are college kids, if they can't get up on their own every Saturday and get pumped to put on the Gold Helmet and knock heads, well Charlie is not going to be able to coach that up.

I was at the game and it was dead. You are not aloud to cheer very loud or stand up or else the old fogey and his wife behind you will get the ushers on your ass. This was the fourth game I had been to and it's the same crap every time. If it's a big play and you stand up all you here is sit down from someone behind you. I love going to the games but it's really starting to piss me off that I can only cheer on big plays. It makes me wonder if it's worth flying back to quietly watch the game in the stadium or to sit at home and scream my ass off.

Officially stepping off the soap box.

 

[dre1919]

I believe Weis is over rated as a head football coach in the FBS. Being a coach in college is learning to wear many different hats. You must be a leader, a salesman, a teacher, a confidant, a surrogate parent and many other things. You've got to be able to sell a recruit on the tradition and direction of a program (which Weis does a great job of), but you also have to be able to teach young men how to play football on a fundamental level beyond what they learned in high school. Weis does a poor job of this, and it's not really all his fault. In the NFL, rookies have already been through high school and three to five years of college football. They've learned so much more than a high school senior on how to play with bigger and faster opponents, as well as working inside complex offensive and defensive schemes.

The average NFL coach is getting access to a person year round with nothing but football on their mind. The average college coach has to deal with classes, vacations and breaks, parents and many other issues in addition to football. That's tough...and why I feel most NFL coaches make crappy college coaches unless they started out there first and spent a lot of time there. Some would point to Pete Carroll, and while he's probably the exception to the rule, he was probably always a college coach at heart and in experience. He was a terrible NFL coach.

The Weis hire made sense at the time, but that time has gone. He was a successful coordinator at the NFL level, which to me strikes as a solid B+ in a hire for Notre Dame. Notre Dame needs a big name, A+ hire to return to any lasting prominence. Plain and Simple. We need a big time, big name coach with heavy college experience and with the type of checkbook ND has, we should be able to get one.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

I am just curious what concrete evidence anyone has that Coach Weis does not relate to college players. Have you talked to the players? Are you in the team meetings? I have been through the potential new coach rumor mill with (among others) Barry Alvarez, John Gruden, and Urban Meyer. I guess we can now add Skip Holtz to the list as the Coach du jour. Stay the course with Coach Weis.

You can speculate all you want about who was really responsible for the two 10 win seasons and who is responsible for last year and this past Saturday, but, in the end, it is up to the players. Maybe these guys had their confidence shattered last year and it is going to take time to get back to that level of confidence, but the emotion needs to come from within, not from your coach.

I had the opporunity to visit the stadium and walk down the tunnel and on to the field when the stadium was empty and I almost wet myself I was so freakin' ecstatic. If you can't get up as a player coming out to 80,000 people and sustain that for the length of a game, then you need to check yourself.

Give these boys and their coach a chance this season. If you still feel this way after this season and we haven't shown any improvement, then your criticisms may be more warranted. After game 1...well, lets see where we can go from here. It is to early to light the torches and grab the pitchforks.

Talent is the answer to our woes and it is on the way. Look at USC - they are loaded right now. Does anyone think if Carroll left that program would crumble? No way. Maybe in a few years the pipeline would slow down, but it would take a while. Talent is key to rebuilding and Coach Weis is providing just that.

We are on the rise. I know last Saturday didn't go the way we all hoped, but I truly believe this Saturday will change a lot of minds.

Let's Go Irish!!!!!!!!

 

[03euroSVT]

I am just curious what concrete evidence anyone has that Coach Weis does not relate to college players. Have you talked to the players? Are you in the team meetings? I have been through the potential new coach rumor mill with (among others) Barry Alvarez, John Gruden, and Urban Meyer. I guess we can now add Skip Holtz to the list as the Coach du jour. Stay the course with Coach Weis.

You can speculate all you want about who was really responsible for the two 10 win seasons and who is responsible for last year and this past Saturday, but, in the end, it is up to the players. Maybe these guys had their confidence shattered last year and it is going to take time to get back to that level of confidence, but the emotion needs to come from within, not from your coach.

I had the opporunity to visit the stadium and walk down the tunnel and on to the field when the stadium was empty and I almost wet myself I was so freakin' ecstatic. If you can't get up as a player coming out to 80,000 people and sustain that for the length of a game, then you need to check yourself.

Give these boys and their coach a chance this season. If you still feel this way after this season and we haven't shown any improvement, then your criticisms may be more warranted. After game 1...well, lets see where we can go from here. It is to early to light the torches and grab the pitchforks.

Talent is the answer to our woes and it is on the way. Look at USC - they are loaded right now. Does anyone think if Carroll left that program would crumble? No way. Maybe in a few years the pipeline would slow down, but it would take a while. Talent is key to rebuilding and Coach Weis is providing just that.

We are on the rise. I know last Saturday didn't go the way we all hoped, but I truly believe this Saturday will change a lot of minds.

Let's Go Irish!!!!!!!!

Bravo.. Well said.

I can't believe some are ready to throw Weis under the bus. Can't we give a coach more than 3 years to prove themselves. I wasn't pleased with the way we played on Saturday but I am not going to say we need a coaching change.

Weis is willing to make changes inorder to try and get better. To me that is a huge positive and should pay off in the end. I still think Weis is the right guy for the job.

If Weis is canned at the end of the year, then I don't see us getting any better of a coach. Nobody is going to want this job after the last three coaches were canned before 5 years of coaching.

WE ARE ND!!!

 

[roto-stud]

Coach Weis works his tail off for this program... two fourteen million dollar paydays were earned for the university... our teams offensive skill players are all frosh/sophs... our offensive line (#1 recruited line that year) are all juniors ( LT is a senior) they are all stronger will be even better next year... with all this and a 1-0 record staring you in the face your ready to bring in a coach who has two big wins in his coaching history. What a bunch of dunces

 

[NDinL.A.]

Thank you GoIrish. You said EXACTLY what I was thinking. All offseason I'm hearing how great we are going to be, which was stupid to say considering how bad we were, and after one game we now need to fire the coach. What if the Giants had fired Coughlin (which I was calling for, even though I'm not a Giants fan)? No Super Bowl. He adapted to his players and the times, which is what Charlie did this offseason.

CW is one of the top recruiters today, and we have players coming in the pipeline that will bring us to greater heights. CW led us to 2 BCS bowl games, where he got blown out by teams w/ WAY better athletes. That is changing though. The dude can coach. You don't just forget how to coach. He had a bad year, but he made the proper adjustments. Like I said all along, 8 wins will be a great improvement, and in 2 years we will be BCS sniffing again when all these athletes are juniors and seniors. You just don't win with freshmen and sophmores. Stay the course, and throw your weight behind CW and the boys. Don't be like those SEC clowns who call for their coaches' heads after every game, win or lose!!!

 

[dre1919]

Well, unlike you all, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid and here's why: What's any different between how Ty Willingham began his career at Notre Dame and Charlie Weis? Both came in and changed things, both brought in supposedly revolutionary offenses to what we had before, both got instant success and big wins, both have faded over time. The only difference is that Weis is a better recruiter and has four Super Bowl rings riding the coat tails of Belicheck, who is riding the coat tails of Tom Brady and the Patriots organization. I'm sorry, but I really don't think of Weis as an "offensive genius". If he were, our offense would never be near the bottom of the basement at any time, regardless of personnel. A "genius" would find ways to maximize what he has at hand and make it work.

Let's be clear too...I'm not throwing Charlie under the bus by any stretch of the imagination. He's a nice guy and a good coach. But, and I'm fairly certain anyone who really follows college football in a hardcore sense, would say he's not a "great" coach. If all parties involved called YOU up and said point blank "OK...we've got the green light from Charlie Weis, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll and Les Miles. One of them is going to be the next ND coach...which one should we pick?" You're telling me you'd still pick Weis? OK...good luck with that.

My point is, Notre Dame is one of the premier posts in all of college football (although their is some tarnish on it because of the academic requirements, the changing landscape of football, the microscope the fan nation puts it under, and the media circus). Still, it being premier...and ND having the vast money and connections it has...I would expect a bigger, more prestigious hire than people like Davie, Willingham and Weis...that's all. Sure, maybe given time Weis will become our greatest coach yet and if he does...awesome! But, I see him being replaced by a big name guy more likely.

 

[Pinoy QB]

You guys crack me up, Charlie Weis is a good coach, recruiter, and passionate with the team. He graduated @ ND for crying out loud. He will return them back to Glory!!!

 

[03euroSVT]

I am not trying to compare what Ty did and what Charlie has done. So I am not going to respond to that. I don't believe for on second that we will get any better of a coach if Charlie gets fired.

Yes Charlie changed things when he arrived. This is his first time being a head coach and for him to be willing to change things as he goes on tells me that we have a winner. If something is broke then it gets changed in hopes that it will be fixed. At the end of this year if we have the same season as last year then I would assume some Assistant coaches will be gone.

I have always felt that we need to give a coach 5 years to decide on whether or not they are the right fit. It really is getting old for ND to keep firing coaches after a couple of down years.

It was one game and we won. We should be able to tell how this season will go after the next couple of games.

WE ARE ND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[03euroSVT]

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......If all parties involved called YOU up and said point blank "OK...we've got the green light from Charlie Weis, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, Pete Carroll and Les Miles. One of them is going to be the next ND coach...which one should we pick?" You're telling me you'd still pick Weis? OK...good luck with that.
.....

I would have picked Urban but he knew that ND was going to need a lot of work so he picked a program that was already doing well and knew he could win there. I think all of those coaches have had huge success and would love to see anyone of them here right now. We have charlie here and he is building something great. If he happens to get fired then the next coach should be able to do a lot with the talent that is here.

I still think Charlie is the right man for the job. We still will win 9+ games. Will they be pretty wins? Who knows but they will be wins.

WE ARE ND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Irish52]

Another poor year and we'll see a lot of the top recruits of the past 2 years leave in droves. I, too, noticed the lack of emotion on the side lines. But, being an eternal optimist, I look for a big ND victory over MI and a 9-3 season. Then, with another 09 super recruiting year, we play for the national chmpship next year. Go Irish and better yet, go Charlie!!