Question about Alabama v ND

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I know that the Irish are the Yankees of college football. Intense hatred or intense love.

But I have two older kids. One is a freshman at Bama and one is a junior at West Virginia (yes, there is a bright spot in our football world this season). WVU kid has tons of ND stuff up in his house, no problem. Son at Bama tells me they HATE Notre Dame at Alabama. Like the same way they hate Auburn.

Why? I can never remember who played who last year so i am assuming there were some big games in the past. If its a stupid question, have at it :) but I really don't know
 

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Alabama claims 351 National Titles... but the country only gives them credit for 9... Notre Dame claims only those titles in which the country as a whole agrees with and that's 11... puts us ahead of them...

Thier fans HATE that shit... they feel they are the greatest college football program ever, for one reason and one reason only... they say so...

So add that all up and you have one hell of a step child complex
 

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Maybe it has something to do with Bear's teams always being overshadowed by ND.
 

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Alabama claims 351 National Titles... but the country only gives them credit for 9... Notre Dame claims only those titles in which the country as a whole agrees with and that's 11... puts us ahead of them...

Thier fans HATE that shit... they feel they are the greatest college football program ever, for one reason and one reason only... they say so...

So add that all up and you have one hell of a step child complex

Don't they claim like 15 national titles or something ridiculous. I belive the PTA of a local elementary school voted them Champs one year and they count that too.
 
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Don't they claim like 15 national titles or something rediculous. I belive the PTA of a local elementary school voted them Champs one year and they count that too.

I could be wrong but I do believe off the top of my head they claim 22

Bama and SC are shamelss... any year the program has finished top five or about, they throw up a banner spitting in the face of that year's real National Champion
 

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My son said that they talk as much about Notre Dame's season as they do their own. He also said that the talk of the campus is that ND is going to try and steal Saban from them.
 

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I could be wrong but I do believe off the top of my head they claim 22

Bama and SC are shamelss... any year the program has finished top five or about, they throw up a banner spitting in the face of that year's real National Champion

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I know that the Irish are the Yankees of college football. Intense hatred or intense love.

But I have two older kids. One is a freshman at Bama and one is a junior at West Virginia (yes, there is a bright spot in our football world this season). WVU kid has tons of ND stuff up in his house, no problem. Son at Bama tells me they HATE Notre Dame at Alabama. Like the same way they hate Auburn.

Why? I can never remember who played who last year so i am assuming there were some big games in the past. If its a stupid question, have at it :) but I really don't know

Blasphemy!!!

;)
 

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One thing about the Tide... they never let facts get in thier way
 

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No really it's pretty much what ACamp said. Down there Football is Religion. They act like they created the game. Them saying that Alabama is the beginning and end of college football just adds to their myth that they actually invented the sport. So for Notre Dame to get as much love as ND does they feel like it's a slap in the face. That's is the case for the south (SEC) in general.
 

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Cubbies-Yankees, now thats a world series that can save baseball (not that baseball needs saving). Don't be shocked if the cubbies get some "calls" the next two weeks.
 

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Son says it irritates them that even when losing, ND gets all the press. I saw shirts in their bookstore that had Notre Lame on them and couldn't figure it out because when is the last time they even played?

As insane as they are, i was at the UGA v Bama game and it was awesome. 92,000 screaming crazies. Not ND but pretty impressive
 

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What's funny is they are pissed about our attention but they sell ND styled shirts in thier own stores... and obviously buy them...

:krazy:
 

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let me stop...

I need to be the ambasssador of good will
 
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I love WVU. The games are amazing, the country is beautiful. Watching the players come out after a win and lead the crowd singing Country Roads while they blow a train whistle in the distance ranks right up there with the ND experience.

My son plays soccer and the team all got shirts one year that read "Play Like Your Couch is On Fire"
 

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Yes. New coach and its made all the difference. My son isn't playing this year, too much with his courseload but he played against ND freshman and sophmore year they when tied and beat them. Great experience. I have all the respect in the world for these college athletes. The demands made on them are so much more than most understand.
 

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I hate Bammer more than most, but I'll try to shed some light on the issue. It has to do with you guys in the Midwest being probably the most popular teams in the country, ND leading the pack, followed by UM and tOSU.

The minutes per hour on any Football pregame is dominated by ND, whether you are good or bad. Having senile Lou Holtz jabber and slobber about how ND should beat USC this season gets annoying, funny as i find it. My Volunteers could have beaten Florida by 70 last week (well, we lost by 39, close enough) and the lead 10-minute story in a 1 hour program would have been how well Charlie did at keeping his kids playing hard late in the 38-0 loss to Michigan, and the poise that Savior Seven showed in the pocket.

Not anyones fault other than the national media trying to please the largest segment of their audience, while we in (as your moderater termed it ) "Backwater Pig-Shit States" have to listen to it waiting for our conference highlights.
 

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On the otherhand, all i EVER hear about is the mighty SEC. According to anyone you ask down here, there is no conference better than the SEC, the worst team in the SEC could whip any team in the Big Ten, SEC is the end all of college football. So I wonder if its just that any of the limelight not directed towards the SEC is an irritant?


which is why the WVU win in the Sugar Bowl over UGA IN Atlanta was just about the sweetest football game I have ever attended in my life
 

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Not anyones fault other than the national media trying to please the largest segment of their audience, while we in (as your moderater termed it ) "Backwater Pig-Shit States" have to listen to it waiting for our conference highlights.

Excuse me??

????
 

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I've actually already had this discussion on onther site. This was the best explination I had, and I'll post a few others as well.

This would be my best guess. That and Bama has their own way of calculating CFB NC's that would give them 12 and one more than ND claims.

1973 Sugar Bowl (Notre Dame vs. Alabama)
Both Alabama and Notre Dame have storied pasts. Present times ain't so bad, either. Each went undefeated in the 1973 regular season. Alabama is coached by the legendary Bear Bryant. Notre Dame is coached by the legendary Ara Parseghian. Now they're meeting on the Tulane Stadium field in New Orleans, with No. 1 Alabama hoping to seal the national title.

The teams battle into the fourth quarter with Notre Dame leading 21-17. On a trick play, Alabama halfback Mike Stock tosses a 25-yard TD pass to backup QB Richard Todd, putting the Tide ahead 23-21. Kicker Bill Davis misses the PAT. Notre Dame kicks a field goal with 4:26 remaining to pull ahead for good, 24-23. The AP's final poll rewards the Irish by vaulting them ahead of Alabama to the No. 1 ranking.
 

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BGIF said:
Most Bama fans today don't know why they hate ND. Most aren't old enough to remember. Their "memory" came from the previous generation that remembers that ND took 4National Championships away from Bama.

#1) 1966 - ND won the NC, Undefeated 9-0-1. The year of the 10-10 tie with MSU. ND had 6 shutouts and beat #8 PU, #10 OU 38-0, and #10 USC 51-0 with the backup QB, Coley O'Brien. Bama was 11-0 in '66 including a Sugar Bowl win. ND didn't play in a Bowl. As the bowls were mostly exhibition money makers back then the polls were taken at the end of the regular season. Bama finished 3rd behind ND and MSU. Bama fans believe they should have won the NC based upon a better record, and an unblemished season.

#2) 1973 Undefeated and Untied #1 ranked Alabama met #3 ranked ND in the Sugar Bowl. First meeting between the schools. The game had 6 lead changes. ND kicking great Bob Thomas missed two FG and an XP (and you guys bitched about Gioia) while Bama also missed an XP. Bama scored a 25 yd TD on a halfback pass back to the QB Todd (no Minter wasn't the DC in '73). ND took the lead 24-23 on a FG with less than 5 minutes left in the game. Bama went 3 and out and punted to the ND 1 yd line but the Bama punter was fouled. Rather than take a First Down on the Bama 35, Bear Bryant declined the penalty confident that his vaunted defense would force a turnover or keep ND bottle up so Bama would get the ball back in great field position. There had already been 3 turnover in the 4Q. On 3rd and 8, Clements stunned the stadium by dropping back into the endzone and hitting backup TE Robin Weber at the ND 38 to seal the another National Championship - at Bama's expense. ND won a thriller24-23.

#3) 1974 On New Year's Day ('75) #1 ranked Alabama Undefeated and Untied played 9th ranked ND 9-2 in Ara's last game. ND had lost the season finale to USC 55-24 allowing 55 unanswerd points after taking a 24 point lead (Neither Minter nor Baer were DC either). ND was a heavy underdog. ND took a 7-0 1Q lead. Key play was conversion of a 4th and 1 at the Bama 7. In the 2Q ND up the lead to 13-0 on a 17 play drive. A key play was another 4th down conversion (Charlie wasn't the first gunslinger coach for ND). With a 4 and 4 at the Bama 28, Bama gave up the 1st Down with an Offsides Penalty. Another great kicker in ND history Dave Reeve missed the XP. An ND fumble at the ND 40 led to Bama scoring a FG before the half. 3Q was scoreless. In the 4Q ND turned the ball over on a failed 4th Down play (that's 3 - 4th downs ND went for). Bama drove to ND's 12 but lost the ball on a Dubenetzky INT. ND's offense stalled and Bama got the ball back near midfield. Bama QB Todd threw a 48 yd TD pass on FOURTH DOWN. The 2 pt conversion closed the score to 13-11. Bama got the ball back with two minutes to go and hit a couple of passes before Reggie Barnett made a game saving INT. Bama at 11-1 finished 5th in the AP; 10-2 ND finished 6th. UPI ranked Bama #2 (what a shame).

#4) 1977 5th Ranked ND 10-1 took on the #1 Ranked Longhorns in the Cotton Bowl. Heisman Trophy winner Earl Campbell and Company were Undefeated and Untied. The four team ranked ahead of ND that New Year's Day were Texas, OU, UM, and Alabama. The Cotton Bowl was tied at 3 after the 1Q. ND exploded for 21 points in the 2Q. The 3 ND TDs were set up by 3 UT turnovers a pair of fumbles and an INT. The 4th ND TD was also set up by INT. UT committed 6 turnovers. Montana was a meager 10-25-111yd-1TD-1int. Heavens and Ferguson both ran for over 100 yds as did Campbell. Underdog ND knocked off #1 38-10. Meanwhile Bama dumped a lower ranked OSU (finished 9-3). The Unbeaten Sooners were a prohibitive favorite even before the Arkansas Coach suspended 3 starting backfield members before the Orange Bowl. ARK trounced OU 31-6 led by first year Head Coach Lou Holtz. The Sooners only had 1 regular season loss (UT 13-7). Meanwhile Bo Shembechler was leading Big 10 Champs Michigan to a loss in the Rose Bowl against Washington.
When the Polls were in ND finished #1 in the AP, UPI, and Sporting News. Bama finished - Number 2!
Bama fans screamed foul. ND's only loss was to 6-5 Mississippi by 20-13 in Jackson while Bama had beaten had pasted Ole Miss 34-13 in Birmingham. Mississippi's other losses were 21-15 in Auburn, 14-13 Georgia in Athens, and LSU 28-21 in Jackson. Bama fans cried East Coast Media Bias although pollsters that were interviewed noted they put ND #1 for thrashing #1 Texas while Bama was playing a much lower ranked and already twice beaten OSU. Bama claimed they had no choice as SEC Champ they were bound to the Sugar Bowl who picked OSU. They claimed it wasn't fair that ND without any CONFERENCE TIES could go to the Cotton Bowl. (ND's leap from #5 over Bama was cited years later as justification for the BCS by the first BCS Commissioner Roy Kramer who just happened to be the SEC Commissioner at the same time).

In addition to the 4 National Championships Bama lost due to ND, Bama fans (the older generation) hate ND as the beloved Bear never beat ND going 0-4 (0-2 against Ara and 0-2 against Devine). Bama is 1-5 lifetime against ND with the only win by Ray Perkins the coach who replaced Bear Bryant and who was run off by Bama fans. Perkins beat Holtz 28-10 in '86 in Birmingham and Holtz beat Curry 37-6 in '87 in SB.

There was a home and home series that was due for '05 -'06 or '06 -'07 that Alabama AD Mal Moore asked ND to let Bama out of due to their NCAA (Dubose) Sanctions. Bama ducked ND to play two games in Hawaii. Mal Moore was assistant coach under Lou Holtz at ND. It pisses Bama fans off when they find out Moore was a one time ND coach.

When I moved to Alabama in '82 there was a sports show that had a series "Greatest Games in Alabama Football History" but they never showed the '73 Sugar Bowl nor '74 Orange Bowl, two of the greatest games in college football history. I called and asked why they didn't show those exciting games. The reply was "We only show games that Alabama wins". Sure enough after the '86 season, Bama's only win against ND made the "Greatest Games in Alabama History". They didn't mention it was Bama's only win against the Irish.
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BGIF said:
Bama fans are front runners. I've been to their games in BHM, T'Town, and a couple out of state games (with clients). As long as they're winning; they're faithful. In '84 I was at Legion Field in Birmingham for the Bama v UGA game. On the first play from scrimmage UGA went 64 yds off right tackle for a 7-0 lead. Bama went 3 and out. After the punt on the next play UGA went 66 yds off right tackle for a 14-0 lead. Identical play. Identical results.

There must have been 10,000 people that left the stadium with the game less than 5 minutes old. It looked like a Tornado Warning had been issued by the Nation Weather Service. They were cursing up a storm. Without Bear Bryant the natives were restless. Coach Perkins made an adjustment on Defense and Bama outscored the Dawgs 14-10 over the last 55 minutes but lost 24-14.

Bill Curry followed Perkins. He won 10 games and an SEC Championship. So the fans threw a brick from through the window of his office and made death threats against his wife - and dog. Curry principle sin was that he was not one of Bear's Boys.

Stallings went 7-5 his first year and the fans called for his head. Then he lost one game over the next 3 season until the NCAA had the nerve to make them forfeit all but one game in the 3rd season for using an ineligible player.

Then came Dubose, Franchione, Price*, Shula, and now Saban. Bears been retired for 25 years. Dead for 23 and the fans still call for his return.

I was at the game by myself and got to know a pair of 20 somethings sitting next to me,"Rick and Dude". Dude had a pint of burbon and kept refreshing my coke. Meanwhile Rick was hitting on a 15 year old girl in the row down from us. She kept flirting with him whenever her parents went to the concession stand. Rick was definitely making some progress right up to Dude puked all over her. When her father screamed at him, Dude stood up an apologized like a true Southern Gentlemen. Then he puked on the father as well. Rick and Dude ended up being escorted out in cuffs.
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