Poll: Tommy Rees' Record

[DillonHall]

This topic has been debated continually over the past few weeks, so I wanted to get a consensus from the fans on IE. Is Tommy Rees' 12-2 record as ND's starting QB an accurate indicator of his performance?

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Yes

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This topic has been debated continually over the past few weeks, so I wanted to get a consensus from the fans on IE. Is Tommy Rees' 12-2 record as ND's starting QB an accurate indicator of his performance?

Can't debate the record.... It is what it is.

 

[DillonHall]

Poll: Tommy Rees' Record

This topic has been debated continually over the past few weeks, so I wanted to get a consensus from the fans on IE.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

How many threads are you going to start on this.... It's still yes.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

He has had some bad games but even the best have bad games too. He gets it done and you cant deny that.

 

[DillonHall]

Please delete this thread; it doesn't have the poll in it.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

12-2 is pretty good.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

100% say yes...

Yes "Tommy" Can!!!

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

12-2 is pretty good.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Yes, 12-2 doesnt come by fluke

 

[DillonHall]

Football is the ultimate team sport, so I believe that it is ridiculous to use an individual player's record as a factor in judging the performance of a player. I trust my eyes more than his record when I watch a player. You've got to be kidding me if you think he should deserve any credit for the win against BC.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Points on Tommy:
- Puts way too much air under the ball
- Stares down his receivers
- Cant and doesn’t run even though there is 15 yards of uncontested green grass in front of him
- Throws into double and triple coverage (even though some posters think that all 4 receivers are triple covered - LMAO)
- Can’t throw the deep ball on a frozen rope

IMO - Saying Tommy is 12-2 is silly...he (Rees) has made enough plays to help us win a couple. However, D and a solid run game wins games- and those two aspects has won games NOT Tommy.

 

[DillonHall]

Yes, 12-2 doesnt come by fluke

No it doesn't, especially when you have a strong defense, great running game ,and excellent offensive line.

 

[DillonHall]

Can't debate the record.... It is what it is.

Nobody's debating what his record is. It's importance/relevance, however, is very much a topic of debate.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Dude let it go. I think everyone gets your point. I agree with you to a degree.

I think the Rees and Crist debate is over. Rees is the starter..nothing will change that.

If you want to start a poll, try this one: Is Kelly rational?

 

[phork]

That is a great record. Funny though, the defenses record over the same period is 12-2.

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

What would our team record be with Dayne in there though? Tommy has shown he can get it done he may not be the best or play the prettiest but he gets it done

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Nobody's debating what his record is. It's importance/relevance, however, is very much a topic of debate.

Not really...

 

[DillonHall]

Not really...

wow, unbelievably stubborn

 

[DillonHall]

That is a great record. Funny though, the defenses record over the same period is 12-2.

What a coincidence

 

[pkt77242]

Points on Tommy:
- Puts way too much air under the ball
- Stares down his receivers
- Cant and doesn’t run even though there is 15 yards of uncontested green grass in front of him
- Throws into double and triple coverage (even though some posters think that all 4 receivers are triple covered - LMAO)
- Can’t throw the deep ball on a frozen rope
IMO - Saying Tommy is 12-2 is silly...he (Rees) has made enough plays to help us win a couple. However, D and a solid run game wins games- and those two aspects has won games NOT Tommy.

Well, I have an issue with the two bolded parts. We have seen more teams dropping 7, 8 or even 9 players into zone coverage against us. If you have 4 players running routes then there probably is 2-3 defensive players around them.

And to the frozen rope part? Um, probably 2/3-3/4 of college qb's can't throw a frozen rope deep ball (and of the ones that can most aren't very accurate).

 

[returnofthemack]

I definitely don't think his record is an accurate indicator of his performance. As the saying goes, the QB takes too much blame for losses and gets too much credit for wins. However, he usually does just enough to make sure we don't lose. Obviously, that's not going to cut it at Notre Dame, but who knows, he might have a Brady/Jimmy jump in his junior year. As he is right now, he's not able to lead ND to a BCS bowl. But it's foolish to say he can't improve.

 

[DillonHall]

I definitely don't think his record is an accurate indicator of his performance. As the saying goes, the QB takes too much blame for losses and gets too much credit for wins. However, he usually does just enough to make sure we don't lose. Obviously, that's not going to cut it at Notre Dame, but who knows, he might have a Brady/Jimmy jump in his junior year. As he is right now, he's not able to lead ND to a BCS bowl. But it's foolish to say he can't improve.

But Brady/Clausen were limited in their sophomore year due to their lack of knowledge. Tommy is limited by his physical gifts, and you can't become more mobile or develop much of a stronger throwing arm. If you could, then every pitcher in the majors would throw 95 mph.

 

[pkt77242]

This topic has been debated continually over the past few weeks, so I wanted to get a consensus from the fans on IE. Is Tommy Rees' 12-2 record as ND's starting QB an accurate indicator of his performance?

Generally speaking yes.

Tommy is a solid qb (lets say 6.5/10). No he isn't going to win the Heisman or be a top pick but that doesn't mean that he is horrible either. You talk about how you would rather trust what you when you watch him play then what his record says. I would rather look at his statistics, which are pretty good but not great, just like him. The fact of the matter is that qb's get too much blame when we lose and too much love when we win and nothing is going to change that.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Well, I have an issue with the two bolded parts. We have seen more teams dropping 7, 8 or even 9 players into zone coverage against us. If you have 4 players running routes then there probably is 2-3 defensive players around them.

And to the frozen rope part? Um, probably 2/3-3/4 of college qb's can't throw a frozen rope deep ball (and of the ones that can most aren't very accurate).

Your first point- i understand they drop players- if he would take the underneth or run for a + ~5 yards instead of throwing the ball in the stands.... positive yards.

All depends on your definition of a frozen rope....and how far you are talking. My point is that these teams do not respect the mid/long ball., and when Tommy throws those balls they have alot of air under the ball giving the Safeties time to close distance since the ball is in the air so long.

 

[DillonHall]

Generally speaking yes.

Tommy is a solid qb (lets say 6.5/10). No he isn't going to win the Heisman or be a top pick but that doesn't mean that he is horrible either. You talk about how you would rather trust what you when you watch him play then what his record says. I would rather look at his statistics, which are pretty good but not great, just like him. The fact of the matter is that qb's get too much blame when we lose and too much love when we win and nothing is going to change that.

Honestly, I wouldn't be so critical of Tommy if there weren't so many people who supported him based solely on his record. I think stats are more valuable in the NFL; in college, the talent disparities and the multiple styles of offense lessen the validity of stats.

 

[pkt77242]

But Brady/Clausen were limited in their sophomore year due to their lack of knowledge. Tommy is limited by his physical gifts, and you can't become more mobile or develop much of a stronger throwing arm. If you could, then every pitcher in the majors would throw 95 mph.

While he will never have a rocket arm he can improve his arm strength, to think otherwise is crazy. To use your ananlogy pitchers do usually add a couple of mph to their fastball between the ages of 18-23ish. Now 30 year old pitchers don't.

 

[enrico514]

The Irish are 12-2 when Tommy starts... this is a fact! I believe the team is 12-2 despite TR and not because of TR. Seems obvious opposing teams know exactly how to defend against us with him as QB. He will not start next year... I'm pretty certain of this.

 

[returnofthemack]

While he will never have a rocket arm he can improve his arm strength, to think otherwise is crazy. To use your ananlogy pitchers do usually add a couple of mph to their fastball between the ages of 18-23ish. Now 30 year old pitchers don't.

Exactly. With better technique, his medium to deep passes will be more accurate. And his reads will become quicker. Remember, Jimmy threw 17 INTs his sophomore year and 4 the next. Not saying Rees will make the same kind of jump, but it's not impossible. But what I wanted to stress, is that there is a middle ground that many of you are ignoring. He's not great and he's not horrible. He is a decent game manager QB who can help our team not lose. There is definitely the potential for him to jump to a good QB who can help our team win games. But as I said, the QB gets too much blame for losses, and too much credit for wins. Our defense was great today and I would credit them with the win.