Ohio State Respects ND

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Buckeyes Respect Irish Tradition
Mike Wachsman
BuckeyeSports.com Staff Writer

As far as history goes, Ohio State and Notre Dame are almost mirror images.

The Irish have eight national titles, Ohio State has five. Notre Dame has seven Heisman Trophies, OSU six. And since 1936, the year of the first official Associated Press poll, both teams have exactly 530 victories.

Not bad, and just the kind of stuff that should make the Fiesta Bowl even more enticing -- if the mere fact that Ohio State and Notre Dame are playing isn't enough.

"They're Notre Dame, and everyone knows about them," linebacker A.J. Hawk said. "Everyone's seen 'Rudy' and knows what that's about. A team with that much national exposure you're going to know about."

The squads have only met four times, with the Irish winning both matchups in the 1930s and the Buckeyes doing the same in the 1990s.

Quite a few Buckeyes were targeted by the Irish coming out of high school, but opted for Ohio State.

They liked the tradition that Notre Dame had, and in one case there seemed to be a push toward South Bend.

"I was a Buckeye fan," said center Nick Mangold, who took an unofficial visit to Notre Dame just prior to his senior year. "My mom was a Notre Dame fan, and Notre Dame was my other choice. She was pushing for that side."

It's hard to resist the lure of the Irish, especially when the program is humming.

The name and tradition was almost enough to lure Nate Salley to South Bend, but in the end he opted for Ohio State.

"I used to watch them a little bit when I was younger," Salley said. "I remember seeing highlights of Rocket Ismail. My high school wore the gold helmets like they did, so I used to watch them every once in a while.

"I almost went to Notre Dame. They recruited me pretty hard when coach (Bob) Davie was there. Coach (Ty) Willingham went there and was recruiting me too. I went on an unofficial visit there, and it reminded me of my high school because I went to a Catholic high school. They had the Touchdown Jesus and it was pretty cool. I walked down the tunnel and saw the 'Play Like A Champion Today' thing in the hallway."

While history and tradition won't win the football game, it might be enough to get casual fans to switch the game on.

And isn't that what these bowl matchups are all about?

"It's two storied programs that are on the rise and playing their best ball right now," linebacker Bobby Carpenter said. "It's going to be really exciting. Aside from the national championship game this is one that a lot of fans are going to want to watch."

Ohio State fans are excited to be playing the Irish, especially since meetings on the field have been so infrequent.

But people on the Notre Dame side are just as excited, or should be.

"Every time people ask me if we're excited to be playing a game like this I tell them 'They want to play us,'" linebacker Anthony Schlegel said. "We're just as good as Notre Dame when it comes to tradition and all the things we've won. People want to play us, and it's always great when you get to play against the best because that's when you can shine. You always want to play against the best, and if you don't you're not a competitor. If you want to be the best you have to play the best."

A number of Buckeyes know quite a few players on the Irish roster, and that means there should be a healthy amount of respect on both sides.

Just one little difference here or there and a few Buckeyes could have suited up for Notre Dame.

One of them was Carpenter.

"I went there for the spring game, and Ty Willingham was in my principal's office the day after I committed (to Ohio State) trying to get me to go there," Carpenter said. "I told him I was honored but that I had set my mind and there was no way I was changing it.

"It's far away, it's cold, there's nothing to do in South Bend. And I didn't want to live in a dorm for four years. That was something I couldn't get over. I didn't care what they had to offer, I'm not going to live in a dorm for four years in the middle of Indiana."
 

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jiggafini19 said:
"It's far away, it's cold, there's nothing to do in South Bend. And I didn't want to live in a dorm for four years. That was something I couldn't get over. I didn't care what they had to offer, I'm not going to live in a dorm for four years in the middle of Indiana."

Plus that whole going to class thing. Who needs that? Remember Katzenmoyer's quote in SI (and I paraphrase): "I came to Ohio State to play football, not to attend classes."
 

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IndyIrish said:
Plus that whole going to class thing. Who needs that? Remember Katzenmoyer's quote in SI (and I paraphrase): "I came to Ohio State to play football, not to attend classes."

Yeah, with so much off the field nonsense at Ohio State they might want to consider putting these guys in cages, not dorms.
 

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IndyIrish said:
Plus that whole going to class thing. Who needs that? Remember Katzenmoyer's quote in SI (and I paraphrase): "I came to Ohio State to play football, not to attend classes."

COME ON.....they respect ND about as much as they view Golf and AIDS Awareness as real classes.....BTW, is ND being retroactively relieved of 3 NCs and over 200 wins???? Whatever they need to do to FEEL equal...They will NEVER BE equal....always a rung below...just like scUM.

I forgot how much of a tourist/resort destination Columbu$ is!!!!!!

At least the F@ckeyes don't even PRETEND to be student-athletes like their scUM neighbors....they are what they are....a football factory

Wouldn't it be great if two ND Football alums (Flannery/Stams) won the governorship and Lt. Governorship of Ohio in '06 (they recently announced their candidacy)......I'd say first order of business, to cut O$U's football budget by 50% and tighten eligibility requirements...
 
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According to Yahoo the Fiesta Bowl is the second best bowl matchup this year.
 
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.....BTW, is ND being retroactively relieved of 3 NCs and over 200 wins????
They rewrote history and removed 4 NCs.
Rockne had 3 NCs
Leahy had 5 NCs
Ara had 2 NCs
Devine had 1 NC
Holtz had 1 NC
That makes 12 NCs, I guess simple arithmetic is not their strong point.
 

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They rewrote history and removed 4 NCs.
Rockne had 3 NCs
Leahy had 5 NCs
Ara had 2 NCs
Devine had 1 NC
Holtz had 1 NC
That makes 12 NCs, I guess simple arithmetic is not their strong point.


I was just about to say that! Wonder which ones he doesn't count & what the reasoning is? I guess it would have to be either a few or Leahy's or Rockne's (or both) b/c of how old they are. I dunno.
 

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Craig Krenzel stood out as a OSU football player that actually got an education. Doesn't really need football, which is a good thing for him since I've seen him play up close. One of many Bears QB during the Favre Era.

I can't really think of anyone else. Robert Smith was in medical school as I recall. That's really about it.

They had a kid from right up the street here in Palatine IL named Mike Burden. GREAT talent....I camped with a few times at different schools him as we were the same age. Linebacker, strong, fast, dumber than a box of crayons. And a criminal. Not sure where he is now.
 

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IndyIrish said:
Plus that whole going to class thing. Who needs that? Remember Katzenmoyer's quote in SI (and I paraphrase): "I came to Ohio State to play football, not to attend classes."


Yeah, that whole damn class thing would ruin their social time. I mean, how are they supposed to tip over cars, set garbage cans on fire, beat their girlfriends, snort some nose candy, and meet with their parole officers, PLUS PLAY FOOTBALL? On top of that they have to go to class? Ridiculous!!!!

I don't even blame attitudes like Katzenmoyer's on the person himself. Attitudes like that start from more authoritative figures (ala Tressel, OSU Administration, OSU professors, etc...)

Class squad Tressel.
 

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Domer95 said:
Wouldn't it be great if two ND Football alums (Flannery/Stams) won the governorship and Lt. Governorship of Ohio in '06 (they recently announced their candidacy).
Frank Stams went into politics eh? Cool, good for him! We stopped in the NFL HoF on the way back from SB and I spent a good bit of time showing my sons all the ND grads in the bust room. And of course pointed out Alan Page.
 

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IrishfaninLA said:
They rewrote history and removed 4 NCs.
Rockne had 3 NCs
Leahy had 5 NCs
Ara had 2 NCs
Devine had 1 NC
Holtz had 1 NC
That makes 12 NCs, I guess simple arithmetic is not their strong point.
So what's the official word? ND's own site lists 11:

1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
 

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NDgettysburg said:
So what's the official word? ND's own site lists 11:
1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988

Here is my favorite site listing ND National Championships (I have posted this before - don't know who does the site):

http://www.nationalchamps.net/NCAA/database/notredame_database.htm

Note especially "Other Selections" - 1989 and 1993.

However, I think the generally agreed on number is really 11.
 
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NDgettysburg said:
So what's the official word? ND's own site lists 11:
1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
According to the link for football data from ND Nation.com; in 1953 ND won the National Champion with a record of 9-0-1.
 
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According to the link for football data from ND Nation.com; in 1953 ND won the National Champion with a record of 9-0-1.
After Googling
Maryland was the #1 in the AP before the Bowls, but lost to #4 Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. ND was #2 and didn't play in a bowl. Michigan State was #3 and beat #5 UCLA in the Rose.

So, final records were ND - (9-0-1), MSU was (9-1) and Oklahoma was (9-1). ND was ranked higher pre-bowls and had a better record, but #3 MSU won against #5 and #4 Oklahoma beat #1 Maryland.

In other words, it was a mess and without polls after bowls....
 

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PantsB said:
After Googling
Maryland was the #1 in the AP before the Bowls, but lost to #4 Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. ND was #2 and didn't play in a bowl. Michigan State was #3 and beat #5 UCLA in the Rose.
So, final records were ND - (9-0-1), MSU was (9-1) and Oklahoma was (9-1). ND was ranked higher pre-bowls and had a better record, but #3 MSU won against #5 and #4 Oklahoma beat #1 Maryland.
In other words, it was a mess and without polls after bowls....
still looking like 11 is the safe bet :)
 

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NDgettysburg said:
still looking like 11 is the safe bet :)


I'd say TWELVE if you count '93......at any rate I think we'll be adding to the list shortly, esp. if King Charles keeps up this recruiting juggernaut...
 

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[B said:
"It's far away, it's cold, there's nothing to do in South Bend. And I didn't want to live in a dorm for four years. That was something I couldn't get over. I didn't care what they had to offer, I'm not going to live in a dorm for four years in the middle of Indiana." [/B]

Dude, I've been through Columbus before.?????????????? I'm confused with that comment. What is there to do in Columbus. Last time I visited it was cold in Ohio as well and it was April. I guess living in a dorm would mean he would have to go to class. We all know they don't do that up there. There's too many Escalades to test drive.
 

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Domer95 said:
I'd say TWELVE if you count '93......at any rate I think we'll be adding to the list shortly, esp. if King Charles keeps up this recruiting juggernaut...
I'm thinking of designing a ND themed tattoo and was planning on leaving room to add the year of the next one :D
 

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domerfor life said:
Dude, I've been through Columbus before.?????????????? I'm confused with that comment. What is there to do in Columbus. Last time I visited it was cold in Ohio as well and it was April. I guess living in a dorm would mean he would have to go to class. We all know they don't do that up there. There's too many Escalades to test drive.


Hey, you can take in a game at the VALUE CITY CENTER...or maybe see the great/tradition rich Yellow Jackets....
 

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I'm thinking of designing a ND themed tattoo and was planning on leaving room to add the year of the next one :D


Cool. If you do, please post it, as I'm seriously thinking of getting one before the NC run in '06.
 

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COME ON.....they respect ND about as much as they view Golf and AIDS Awareness as real classes.....BTW, is ND being retroactively relieved of 3 NCs and over 200 wins???? Whatever they need to do to FEEL equal...They will NEVER BE equal....always a rung below...just like scUM.
I forgot how much of a tourist/resort destination Columbu$ is!!!!!!
At least the F@ckeyes don't even PRETEND to be student-athletes like their scUM neighbors....they are what they are....a football factory
Wouldn't it be great if two ND Football alums (Flannery/Stams) won the governorship and Lt. Governorship of Ohio in '06 (they recently announced their candidacy)......I'd say first order of business, to cut O$U's football budget by 50% and tighten eligibility requirements...

I agree, OSU does NOT respect us.

I went to the Bucknuts.com site and read all of the negatives about ND that I can handle. We shouldnt be in a bowl, we don't have the talent to compete with OSU, their defense will kill Quinn, Oregon got ripped off, etc.,

blah blah blah!!!

A lot of Oregon fans as well as other fans from other schools are requesting that ND get a beating. Can you believe they write the fans to beat us. This is absolutely nuts. I bet they even write to players on the OSU team to encourage them. What a bunch of crap!! But, it sure proves ND is back and all of the teams (USC, included) are afraid of what Weis and the Irish will do in the near future, say January 2nd!! .... and thereafter.
 
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